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https://www.duolingo.com/Berlin180

Finished the Russian tree. Not bad for Beta. Not bad at all.

There were a number of frustrating instances of me failing to pick the exact English that the program wanted, but I expect that to be corrected by feedback, and overall I was impressed with the vocabulary and how many of the sentences / teachings / notes were relevant and interesting.

As soon as I learned that Russian was available, I signed up for Duolingo last night and started to hack away at the tree. It should be noted that I tested out of 68 skills in the placement test and another nine almost immediately thereafter (the science skills), so overall I was able to get through the tree in about four or five hours (hence mediocre statistics such as 33 lingots, 3500 XP and level 11), but I did go through a number of individual lessons to learn what they were like.

I can't honestly say I learned anything new in Russian, but what doing the tree did teach me is what I can expect when I tackle other languages. And now that I know what to expect, I also know that Duolingo will be a good use of my time and a valuable tool for my next project: Spanish, about which I know next to nothing.

If I may offer one criticism in the hopes that the developers see it: there should either be less multiple choice questions or more of an attempt made to create at least somewhat difficult ones. The wrong choices in these questions, especially at the later levels, were embarrassingly wrong, choices that nobody who had gotten that far could possibly fall for unless they have a spasm and check the wrong box. With the multiple choice questions so easy (ridiculously so), I found myself wanting to see less and less (and eventually none) of them. I considered them absolutely useless for learning.

All in all, a rewarding experience, even if a brief one. I look forward to doing Duolingo with languages I don't know.

Thanks to everyone who put the program together. Impressive work.

Berlin180

2 years ago

26 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Congrats! It's always nice to read that people think it's a good course -- it gives us slower users of it even more motivation to keep at it.

Regarding the multiple choice questions: Many people don't like them at all. They are generally so much easier than the other material in the same lesson, that they feel pointless. However, they are good ways of teaching things like that you can mean both ты and вы, or that (in other languages) a particular sentence can mean either that a male person is doing something or that a female person is doing it. Sometimes, new synonyms are also introduced this way (there was one with конь and лошадь pretty early on).

The other reason I personally like the multiple choice questions is that they are a way for Duolingo to teach us sentences. People who start their first course here (in a language they don't already know), are sometimes shocked at how they "are being tested" on material "they haven't been taught". Individual words can be taught using pictures, but this is a way of showing full sentences without the immediate pressure of translating them correctly or being able to construct them. When you've just done a few tough questions, an easy multiple choice one is a nice break, from which you still can learn something. (It is true though that in some other languages here, the wrong sentences seem to be a bit more realistic sentences than the ones in this course, but that's just my impression which might not actually be correct.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/flootzavut
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I think making the incorrect sentences actually realistic sentences would be really good. I have no idea if it's an option that's even possible within the context of Duolingo, but it would be brilliant if they could do it.

Although I admit it's sometimes kind of hilarious when you get sentences about how someone ate someone else and similar...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

I agree. When I was starting out in French I found the grammatically incorrect items especially frustrating as I had to try and make sense of them just in case they were an alternate way of saying the correct answer, that I hadn't learned enough to know yet.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SybilCochrane

Yeah... on my phone on the German course, I kept having to say "I am a banana" in German, and then translate the sentence from German into English. That was a weird one.

2 years ago

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Unfortunately, I don't think the dev team have any control over the multiple choice questions. The Russian tree overall, I agree, is excellent, especially considering what a relatively short time it's been out.

Поздравляю!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Поздравляю!!!

И удачи с испанским! :)

As for the multiple choice questions, we do not create them ourselves. We have our sentences, but the incorrect options are made randomly and we have no control over them. Though they're really easy, the multiple choice exercises can be quite useful. For example, if you've just learned a new word/structure, coming up with a sentence that properly uses the lexeme will be difficult at first, but with multiple choice questions, it's easy to choose the correct answer, while getting more comfortable with seeing the new lexeme. Maybe you'll enjoy the multiple questions more while learning Spanish, since it's a language you don't already know. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElisCR7

Well done, friend! I've just started to learn russian. I never spoke/wrote it before. Can I really learn russian only with Duolingo? And how can I learn Cirillic alphabet? How can I traduce from russian- latin alphabet, to russian- cirillic alphabet? Please answer me

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JanisaChatte
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Duolingo doesn't really have a way to teach different scripts, so it's a good idea to be at least somewhat familiar with the Cyrillic alphabet when you start the course. There are many different sites where you can learn the alphabet. To switch the lesson from Latin transliterations to Cyrillic, you need to click the little Aa-Яя switch, which is near the top left of the screen during a lesson. Hope this helps and good luck with Russian! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElisCR7

Thanks a lots!!! :) Can I certificate a B1 level of russian with Duolingo?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElisCR7

And how can I learn russian pronunce?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Bergsteigener
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Duolingo is a great start for learning a language. The cyrillic alphabet is not as hard as it may seem. In fact, it has tons of similarities with the Latin alphabet and many letters look almost or fully identical. Listening to DuoLingo will help with pronunciation as well. The thing I wanna say here is that it's not as hard as it seems :D. Even though the alphabet might seem like a big obstacle in the beginning, it is not really a big deal. I also suggest the Memrise app for extra vocabulary learning. That should be enough in the beginning :P

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElisCR7

Can I certificate a B1 level of russian with Duolingo?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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I reckon you probably will be at A2-B1 standard once you finish the tree, but will need to go out and start practicing with natives before you'll advance further...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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Yout won't be. I'd estimate is as A2-ish knowledge with repeated trips to B1 territory (but still not there).

Note also that while we tried to include the typical A1, A2 and B1 vocabulary, hundreds of words are left out, mostly because of translation difficulties. For example, we do not have колбаса, дача, дойти and доехать.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SiblingCreature

I have to say that the visually Identical and similar letters are more of a hindrance than a help where the associated sound differs. I still find myself using и instead of н all too frequently -wry smile-

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TechSpeaker
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Just think Анна- that's what helped me most. (though as for the и... blind repetition i guess :))

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/geneven
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I think that some of us need easy multiple choice questions to keep up our morale. Think about it -- there are people learning Russian here who have not had a year of it! It must be a harder task for them than we can fully imagine. It's bad enough that there are native speakers flashing through the course instantly, and people who can test out of a bunch of things because they already knew them before they even got here.

I'm not saying that advanced learners shouldn't be here; I'm just saying that I have a lot of sympathy for the learners who actually have to learn this difficult language from the beginning. I'm not one of them. I actually lived in Russia for a few years. And I have studied a bunch. Yet I'm only on level 10, haven't tested out of anything, and I'm proud to be that far along. I have no real idea how people who are truly introduced to Russian here are doing. Does anyone?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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I do, from personal experience. :-) All I knew before starting was the Cyrillic alphabet, so I can't comment on how well they teach it, but so far I've not found it too bad. I frequently do something dumb or need to ask stupid questions, but I'm definitely improving. I started when the course came out and have been working on it slowly, not making rapid progress, but I'm learning two other languages at the same time, so that may not be representative of most beginners.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dimker
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Поздравляю! Надеюсь, что русский язык вам пригодится по жизни :) Главное почаще практиковаться.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/A_User
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Поздравляю!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Johan_Fayez
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Congrats, keep up the good work. Here is a lingot to encourage you :-D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ValentinZache

Поздравляю вас!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JungeJunge

So my friend, could you tell me how many Russian words are are there in this course? And I think it should have a words list for this course. If it could have a "Spaced repetition" just like the Germany course (and the words test/examination, in order to let us type and remember more Russian words) , is much better. I think Cyrillic words is much difficulty to remember than the Latin scripts, so I need more times to remember(type words for this site/software) and test it. It's a little suggestion. And thank for sharing your experience .

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard
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Another vote here - it's a great tree for beta. I did three years of Russian at university, but that was a long time ago and I'td forgotten most of it.

Have definitely learnt more Russian in a few weeks of Duolingo than I did in a few years of classes.

2 years ago