"Ani ja, ani ty, ani ona."

Translation:Neither I, nor you, nor she.

December 16, 2015

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Neither/nor should be used only for two objects, not three.


Is that really a rule? Even if it were, I'd point out that this construction in English is so riddled with broken grammatical rules that are accepted these days, it hardly matters.


No, you may have as many 'nor's as you want, the rule is that each item MUST have a nor, thwy cannot be ommited.


Native English speaker here; I don't think it is wrong to omit "nor" for items before the last one. For example, this is by Rudyard Kipling:

"But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth, When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!"

And here's William Shakespeare:

"You know neither me, yourselves nor any thing"


Yes but poetry breaks rules on purpose to keep the meter all the time.


That's not really a thing. . .


Plus, as a standalone it cannot be 'she'. Possibly a safe way out is 'not me, not you and not her'


Grammatically, "I" and "she" is correct without further context, but "me" and "her" is much more common. It's one of those areas where incorrect use of "me" and "she" is so common, it is now accepted.


Thanks, was wondering


No, 'she' and the others are perfectly acceptable as standalone, although modern usage prefers the objective forms.


It sounds strange in this sentence, but "she" as a standalone isn't incorrect as a rule.

Normally you would say either "she and I" or "me and her", and it only sounds strange because the order in this sentence is like "I and she" which is backwards.

(I've used "and" instead of "nor" to simplify the examples.)


How do you know when the meaning is either or neither?


Well, technically the meaning is 'neither', it's just English that usually can construct a sentence either (sic!) with 'either' or 'neither'.

But "ani" surely shows negation.


To be clear, 'neither' also clearly shows negation. 'Either' can only be used in the same way if it is negated elsewhere. For example: I want neither of those = I dont want either of those.


I have a translation test text for soon-to graduate students of EN philology of certain PL universities that include an ani-ani-ani structures, and none make a meaningful translation because, like here, they insist on a neither-nor-nor structure. IT DOES NOT WORK, YOUR TEACHERS ARE WRONG. You need something like: 'Not I, not you and not she', but even then we are still breaking the "who's she, the cat's mother?" rudeness rule.


Would not better English be :"Neither me, you or her" ?


No. You must qualify each item in the list. 'or' is a common enough variant of 'nor' here although strictly speaking it is incorrect.


"Ani ja." is translatet with "Me neither." But in the sentence "Ani ja, ani ty, ani ona." me neither is not correct! But WHY???


What would be your whole answer?


The following sentence sounds good for me: "Neither me, nor you, nor she." !?


This one works.


I don't think it should work. "Me" and "she" are different 'cases' (if I may use this word for English grammar). It should be either "Me/her" or "I/she".


Eh, why is this phrase so complicated :| We'll reject it now.


Neither I, nor you, nor she can be correct if the first clause of a sentence where these pronouns refer to the sibject of a sentence. Eg. Neither I, not you, nor she have enough money.


In your "Eg", you meant "nor you" and not "not you", right?

And I think that "has" would be better than "have".


It is definitely 'have' not 'has'. We say 'I dont have enough money', 'He doesnt have enough money', and 'She doesnt have enough money'. It would be very strange to start using 'has' all of a sudden wouldnt it? Bottom line, none of us have enough money.


I think that the most usual form in the UK would be" not me, not you and not her" - the model given by Duo is a reminder of the Polish construction but it is not everyday English, although it is not wrong.


It already worked without "and", but it makes sense to allow "and" - added now.


I would say a sentence like: None of us can do it- 'Not I, nor you, nor her'

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    Complaint: nor I was accepted as a sentence or a standalone clause in a previous answer but here you have to start with neither.


    From what I understand it has to be like that exactly because that was a standalone clause and here it's not.


    •''I told them, but they dont want to clean the toilet!"

    -"Nor I, nor you, nor her! I guess we've just got a smelly bathroom now then?"


    However, that only works because it's a continuation of the previous sentence; "they don't" is effectively "neither they", so the three following "nor"s follow more naturally.


    Why is this so complicated? Here is a quote from WH Fowler that goes some way to explaining:

    "Complications occur when, owing to a difference in number or person between the subject of the neither member & that of the nor member, the same verbform or pronoun or possessive adjective does not fit both."

    In the example, the person changes from first (ja) to second (ty) and third (ona). To get round it, and make the same teaching point, an example might be:

    Ani konie, ani słonie, ani owce (nie jedzą mięsa, na przykład).


    you cannot use either or with more than two options so I wrote neither we (which covers I and you) and she. It was not accepted.


    Well, it's a bit too much to glue translate "you and I" as "we" in Duolingo. For learning reasons, this website favors literal translations (as long as they are correct, of course).


    As a native speaker I would say "neither me, nor you, nor her" - wouldn't let me have it though ...


    Also this needs context


    The first word is inaudible - other lessons have similar problem.


    The audio files are correct and say every word.

    But I remember having the same problem as you. Please try to play the audio again (click the audio button) and the whole sentence should play.


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