https://www.duolingo.com/IdanK.

Azerbaijani course?

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Hello Duolingo community. I am an ethnic Azerbaijani (the part that' still in Iran, not the country), and my parents who speak Azeri want me to learn it. I noticed that Turkish and Azeri are both Turkic languages, so they are similar ( but also different. In Azeri bread is pronounced chorak, in Turkish it's ekmek). I was wondering if any of you speak Azeri and are willing to work on a course. Because we already have a Turkish one, I guess Azeri will be easy. Of course, there are differences between the languages. Who wants to learn Azeri?

December 16, 2015

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I have an Azerbaijani friend who said that Turkish was comprehensible to her. If we have Portuguese and Spanish, why not Azerbaijani and Turkish?

Doesn't Azerbaijani have more vowels and the schwa-letter?

December 16, 2015

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As far as I know, Azerbaijani has one vowel more than Turkish, the one written with the shwa letter; I believe it sounds similar to the "a" in the English word "hat".

December 17, 2015

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You have a point!

December 22, 2015

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The one letter they have extra is /ə/. I know an Azerbaijani girl and she said she can understand Turkish. The only letter they have extra is that upside down /e/

August 27, 2018

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Not exactly. We also have "q" and "x". Turkish has two different pronunciations for "g" and they have separate letters in Azerbaijani ("q" and "g"). The sound "x" (Spanish "j" or German "ch") is absent from Turkish.

February 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/nimg.italy

This would actually be a cool language to learn. :)

December 16, 2015

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I have applied for Azerbaijani course twice

May 11, 2016

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Once is enough. ;)

May 11, 2016

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    There is something of a queue forming. Useful Official languages like Croatian and Azerbaijan are put on the backburner, but courses like Klingon are somehow in the incubator already. Wish I understood Duos logic.

    December 17, 2015

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    There is something of a queue forming.

    I'm not sure Duo has a queue and if any it's probably not bigger than the 2-3 languages they are sure they'll launch in the 1-2 next months (reminder: a new course enters Incubator in average every 11 days!)
    The courses that it's the best (and possible) for Duo to add evolves.

    • If they need/want to make more people more aware about Duo the criteria of "which course will make the most advertisement for Duo to people that don't already know Duo" will rise up.
    • The day the incubator will support teaching Chinese or Japanase (for example), they'll very probably take the priority on all other courses.
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    Useful Official languages like Croatian and Azerbaijan are put on the backburner

    Do you have any statement from Duo that courses for these languages (from any other language, not only English) are on purpose not added?

    but courses like Klingon are somehow in the incubator already. Wish I understood Duos logic.

    For Klingon, I see a clear logic: adding it will create a little buzz (very likely more than adding any course between two "useful" language, except maybe very endangered language)

    In addition:

    • they estimated the system was able to handle Klingon (this is the case of a lot of languages but not for some very widely spoken languages: courses to teach Chinese (from any language) for example)
    • [they had enough "good enough" volunteers (like for a huge number of courses, yes. This, IMO, isn't a restricting criteria THUS not a relevant criteria for any course)]
    • probably other reason we just don't think about.
    December 17, 2015

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    I've also heard that Klingon may have been added for technical reasons: to help bang out bugs related to languages that are not like your Standard Average European.

    That may have been a rumour, though.

    For example, Klingon is case-sensitive (at least, the letters q/Q are), and Klingon is agglutinative and has object-verb-subject word order.

    December 17, 2015

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    I never heard about that but it's indeed an absolutely possible reason!
    Thx for sharing!

    And indeed, Klingon team reported to Duo the need of improvement in the way the system handles/take into account capital letters.

    December 17, 2015

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    I personally will rejoice when Tagalog pops up in the Incubator. How Duolingo works is that if somebody has an idea, is willing to work, and has other volunteers, then the language gets a course. So apparently that means either nobody has volunteered, too few people have volunteered, or that everyone that applied so far is deemed not appropriate for them. Personally, I give every new course a try. There's no harm in adding or trying new languages for me. But yes, I agree with you. At least Indonesian, Swahili, and Welsh are here (when I left, they weren't even in the Incubator)

    December 17, 2015

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    if somebody has an idea, is willing to work, and has other volunteers, then the language gets a course.

    It needs more than that. See here for some ideas(*) about some "criterias" for a course to be eligible to be added.

    (*) non exhaustive list since there is probably not a written-in-stone list and since we're probably missing things not knowing everything about how the system works etc.

    December 17, 2015

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    Point #З is very dubious:

    1. Is it one of the courses that would have the more users starting learning it (≈is it one of the "priority course")?

    I wish Duolongo would tell us how stuff works in stone.

    December 17, 2015

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    I put "priority course" into quotes on purpose. To show it's "priority" under one criteria: will it benefit to the largest number of users.
    Of course, like other of the "reasons" it's based on an estimation by Duo.

    I wish Duolongo would tell us how stuff works in stone.

    They will not (IMO) because it is exactly not written in stone! Things evolve. And also because if they do give a list (so first.to have one precisely defined for themselves, which I don't think they have), you'll then have users complaining: "I made my (complicated) calculations and this course should be added right now, Why it isn't?" When it's only because those aren't written-in-stone rules. So it'd be just moving the issue.

    When the issue is only at the end: we have to be patient, knowing that Duo makes everything possible to add as fast as possible all possible courses.
    And this set of all possible courses includes A LOT of courses not for English speakers or to learn English which represent already one third of the courses in the incubator: why should Duo add XXX for English before English for YYY speakers? before Russian, Swedish, Danish, ... for French speakers? for Italian speakers? before French for Greek speakers? well, the list is very long.
    -> Duo staff is just trying to make things in the order they judge the better (thus for Duo itself, for the users, etc...)

    December 17, 2015

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    I have a feeling that somebody at Duolingo likes Star Trek

    December 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/Anansh_Sinha

    correct!

    March 27, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/TheQueenZerelda

    Everyone is so hateful of Klingon. :( They had the resources and the volunteers. Voila.

    December 17, 2015

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    Klingon was a publicity stunt.

    And it worked for me at least. First I had ever heard of Duolingo was when I sawsomething about Duo-Klingon shared on Facebook... I don't actually have any interest in learning Klingon, but I wouldn't be here learning multiple natlangs if they hadn't pulled this stunt.

    December 17, 2015

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    Klingon... Totally useless for everyday use unless you are planning to start the Klingon Republic. Also, how did the talk reach Klingon?

    December 22, 2015

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    The talk always reaches Klingon.

    Rule 1 of Duolingo discussion forums - in any discussion about "please add language X to incubator" at some point people will bring up that they are unhappy that Klingon was added when so many worthy natlangs miss out.

    But hey. Refer to my previous comment. It was a publicity stunt, and it was successful in that lots of people discovered Duolingo only because the "Klingon Coming Soon" news was being shared across Facebook etc as a novelty piece.

    December 22, 2015

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    So do/did Croatian, Finnish, Latin, Icelandic, Afrikaans and dozens of other languages that are actually spoken or are of historical significance.

    December 17, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/TheQueenZerelda

    Yeah, and I would have chosen Latin, Finnish, or Afrikaans over Klingon any day. Any day. I like Star Trek but I don't think I'll ever find the motivation to learn Klingon. I just don't think it's going to get the Klingon course out of the way faster by being upset that it's being made. shrug (I know you aren't complaining and this is more directed at anyone who is interest than at you.)

    December 17, 2015

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    Klingon is so grammatically distant from English. A waste of time to learn. Better put that time learning a hard language like Chinese

    December 22, 2015

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    Klingon currently has over 90,000 prospective learners on the Duolingo wait list.....far more than any other language for English speakers in the Incubator. People learn other languages not just for their prospective utility, but also for the intellectual challenge and/or an interest in the culture or back-story. I am not sure why someone choosing to study Klingon due to an appreciation for Star Trek is "wasting his or her time" any more than someone wanting to learn Basque, Quechua, Lower Sorbian or many of the other language with few speakers -- all generally bilingual in a major language -- proposed to be added to Duolingo.

    I would add that, as a community of language-learning enthusiasts, we should supporting each other's language projects and goals, not disparaging them.

    October 10, 2016

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    I would like it :) But what do you mean by "STILL in Iran" ?????!!!!

    December 17, 2015

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    Azerbaijan is a series of provinces in the northwestern part of Iran. There is also a country called Azerbaijan. The country used to be part of the Azerbaijan provinces of Iran. In the Qajar era, the Soviets took a part of the province from Iran. Search it online for more information

    December 22, 2015

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    Oh sorry I just misunderstood you! :)

    December 22, 2015

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    That is ok

    December 28, 2015

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    :)

    December 28, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/alismayilov

    I am native Azerbaijani speaker. How can I help to create a course?

    June 19, 2016

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    June 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/alismayilov

    Thank you!

    June 21, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/soheyl.moheb

    I would truely love to have Azerbaijani in Duolingo and I will start that course as soon as it's added.

    thanks for this discussion.

    July 15, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/AvaFerengue4

    That is kind of you to offer.

    December 16, 2015

    https://www.duolingo.com/SaddamVEVO

    That would be cool. I have upvoted this post.

    August 17, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/WHeary

    I hope this gets added

    August 21, 2016

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    Bǝli! (^_^) <3 I'm one quarter Azari, and I think an Iranian Azari Duolingo course would be great, as well! <3 A lingot for you, IdanK!

    October 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/Tonyo3o

    I am a native Turkish speaker and I would love to start Azeri!

    March 4, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Tonyo3o

    I am actually surprised how Mandarin, the most spoken language, is not in the Incubator.

    March 4, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Anansh_Sinha

    i would also like to learn this language.

    March 27, 2017

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    March 27, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Anansh_Sinha

    tesekkur edirem (please forgive me for writing like this. i don't have azeri script!)

    March 28, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/DaphneTheSnail

    I want to learn it

    April 18, 2017

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    April 18, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/-denizTARIK-

    Haklısın arkadaşım,Azerbaycan Türkçesi ve Türkiye Türkçesi birbirine çok benzeseler de bazı farklılıkları var elbette.Bu yüzden herkesin BÜTÜN Türk lehçelerinin güzelliklerini görmesini Türkiye'deki kardeşlerinizle birlikte tüm kalbimle destekliyorum. Kahraman evlatların şanlı vatanı Can Azerbaycan'a Türkiye'den selam olsun. :)

    November 8, 2017

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    i do

    March 16, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/WuraAlabi

    I live in canada but was born in azerbaijan lived and raised in kazakhstan and niGeria and lived i america. my family is oriGinally from niGeria

    May 30, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/AgaragazaRosee

    I so want to learn it :D

    November 5, 2017

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    I’d enjoy learning it.

    January 26, 2019

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    I'm very interested in learning Serbian language, I hope Duolingo will add Serbian lessons.

    August 1, 2018

    https://www.duolingo.com/Can_ElTurc

    They ARE the same language, just different dialects. I can understand both dialects of Azeri, North and South, although the vocabulary may be somewhat different. You can learn fluent Turkish after 1-2 months in Turkey. All you gotta do is get used to the accent and learn some of the different vocabulary (and of course, it is written in Latin).

    April 22, 2017

    https://www.duolingo.com/Alex.johnsons

    it's best that people who aren't informed enough, wouldn't leave comments like this

    May 30, 2017

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    Absolutely! But alas a lot of (especially, young) people in Azerbaijan think the same. :-(

    May 30, 2017

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    Why don't you want to support your own language? Learning Azerbaijani will also help foreign Turkish learners expand their vocabulary, as words that are used on a daily basis in Azerbaijani are generally in the advanced (and mostly Arabic-derived) vocabulary in Turkish.

    August 29, 2018
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