In (American) English, "He isn't very tall", "He isn't that tall", "He isn't too tall", and "He isn't so tall" all (frequently, maybe even usually) mean the same thing. The point is that when saying '<NOUN> isn't very <ADJECTIVE>', the meaning of "very" actually changes, albeit subtley. Is this the case in Spanish as well?
The word "too" is slightly different, typically meaning that he isn't beyond the what something should be, e.g. Is that too much sugar? That isn't too sweet? It is beyond a certain level that is expected, average or acceptable. In this example, he is "too tall for the ride" - which makes him beyond the tolerable limit. You wouldn't say "very tall" or "so tall". It is a general statement - he is not so tall. He is not very tall. Thus it implies he is slightly above average or average, not extremely tall.
I'm not sure that "very" is such a great departure from "so" since they are so close so as to be practically indistinguishable. Both are used to imply that something is not to an extreme, e.g. the coffee is not so sweet. The coffee is not very sweet. Thus the coffee is sweet or less. And if you said "the coffee is not too sweet" it still can be very sweet - but not to the excess where it is unacceptable.
Wow, elabogado; thanks for having a go at explaining that. The semantics are quite subtle. That = tan, in this context, is the point here.
The discussion we are having isn't directly relevant to the translation as they mean different things. Can "too" mean "very"? Are they synonyms? I don't think they are, exactly - as well as your examples, how about the sentences: 1. "The room was too full" and 2. "The room was very full"? Neither room has spare capacity, but "very" suggests no space; whereas "too" indicates overcrowding. So there is a difference. On balance, I think you are right. 1. "No es demasiado alto." or "La habitación estaba demasiado lleno" 2. "Él no es muy alto." or "La habitación estaba muy lleno". Enough, already!!
"He is not very tall" implies comparison against a persons general knowledge of hight (or their serotype about average/general hight). It is nearly always a negative statment.
"He is not so tall" implies context of a previously mentioned but unspecific hight. Ie. 1st person; "He is very tall". 2nd person upon meeting 'him'; "He is not so tall". Can be either a negative or positive statment
"He is not that tall" implies either; 1. Context of a more specific hight. Ie. 1st person; "He is six foot". 2nd person; "He is not that tall". This can be a positive or negative statement. 2. A hight requirement hasnt been met. Mostly a negative statment. (This is actually a case of specific hight context as well)
"He is not too tall" is can be a case of specific hight or a more general specific preference (ie. He is not too tall 'for me'"). This is nearly always a positive statment.
To finish up. In English, so, that, very and too, are not all always interchangeable any only are when meaning (positive or negative) is not contradicted (Although meaning might be lost when going for an always positive statment to a negative statment). This means that for this statment you can always swap 'very' or 'too' for 'so' or 'that' but you cannot always swap 'so' or 'that' for 'very' or 'too'.
So for this statment in english. '///' = cannot be swapped; '/' = only can be swapped on occasion. Meaning may be lost or gained but not contradicted. Very -----> so Very -----> that Very -///-> too So --/--> very So -----> that So --/--> too That --/--> very That --/--> so That --/--> too Too -///-> very Too -----> so Too -----> that
Obviously this whole post is about english speaking and meaning given. And it is not about translating that sentance. This is because I do not know which meanings are applicable or where contradictions may arrise in spanish. I am a british english speaker and I posted this extravaganza after I saw people saying that these are interchangeable, when this is only sometimes the case.
TLDR; always use 'THAT' when using this kind of sentance and give meaning (positive or negative) through tone of voice.
The way I see it, "he's not very tall" would insinuate he's a bit short. Saying "he's not so tall" doesn't necessarily mean he's not tall. For instance, a guy is 6'0 tall but another guy is 6'7, so you might say "guy 1 isn't so tall; my friend is 6'7 (even though 6'0 is still tall).
"He is not very tall" is not the same as "He is not that tall". The former is usually a generalized statement while the latter is usually spoken in a specific sense. For example, if someone tells you their boyfriend is really tall like a giant and when you see him he's like 5'10", most people would say "he is not THAT tall" refers to the person's previous statement.
In spanish 'alto' may mean 'tall' or 'high,' but in English, high doesn't refer to how 'tall' a person is -- only a concept of height in position. High buildings, mountains, clouds, plants, even. Tall may refer to buildings, mountains, plants, too, but people are only 'high' if they are using illegal substances.
Kind of. People can be high without being on drugs too, instead they may be standing on something tall, or flying on a plane.
Barring drug abuse, the difference between "high" and "tall" is REALLY the difference between "altitude" and "vertical length". Maybe an hiker staring out from atop a cliff says to a friend: "Wow, we are really high right now."
i got it.....get the explanation...HERE THAT MEANS not very, or not as much as has been said::::example...It isn’t all that cold. There aren’t that many people here.
I believe you have misspelled the words "phrase" and "phrases" in your question. We do not have the words "frase" or "frases".
To me, and to google translate, you can translate "Él no es tan alto" as "He is not that tall" or "He is not so tall."
You definitely can translate "Él no es muy alto" as "He is not very tall." But, you may or not be able to translate it as "He is not that tall" depending on context. Usually it would be okay, but nuances could make a difference. Still, most native English speakers wouldn't correct you, I think, because the difference might be indistinguishable.
In English in this situation would 'very' or 'that' not be interchangeable? I am pretty sure they would in common usage of language so in this circumstance you could say:
He is not that tall He is not very tall
It would mean the same thing even though your using two different words..?
Lol, I nearly fell for it too. You made a good catch!
When speaking quickly, there is always a tendency to run words together in any language. (Él no están alto.) is obviously wrong because están does not agree in number with Él, and estar is not used with height (Bajo o Alto).
Yes. It might mean 'all that' tall. Or as in the previous examples where unstated comparisons are being made (my 6' 7" friend, my 6' foot friend is tall, but not 'that' tall). So this is just to get you used to hearing and thinking this phrase. Like when a baby learns 'run' they later learn various unstated extensions of the meaning. -- cars 'run', we 'run' a machine, ... etc.
Imagine thinking "He is not so tall" in English. You are basically thinking that he is not that tall.. So it expresses the thought more accurately than saying that "He is not so tall". Sometimes actually saying it and listening to yourself will help u to hear that is the same thing u are saying, but only that using "that" instead of "so" sounds much better.
Iniesta es un del mejor! :)
tanto is more 'so very much' or 'extremely'-- just not the way it would be said. Don't worry about 'right' or 'wrong' -- just practice is till you get it. That's why they encourage the writing things and reading more to get to where you don't have to 'translate' in your mind -- it will just be there.
'Ese' only tells which one, a different meaning of the word 'that' in English. In this sentence 'tan' describes an 'amount' sort of -- a comparison of the height of 'he' to the concept of 'tall.' All languages have different oddities that you just have to practice before you 'get' it.
I believe so. Find someone who speaks Spanish natively and ask! I would like to know -- though my friends who speak Spanish often give me different answers from each other! Kind of like English, right? Depends on what your education level is, what country you are from, what part of the country you are from, etc. (like the hood of the car is the 'bonnet' in England, and the trunk is the 'boot.')
Alto is a name meaning 'high' or 'elevated' - so I guess people who name their baby's that are either doing it just because they like the name (not everyone looks up the meaning of names they like before they give them to their kids) or want their child to be famous or important? But the point is, it is an uncommon name, but it is a name, so I guess the character in the game is named 'Alto?' Like 'Waldo' or 'Link' or 'Mario'....?
That might be close to a direct translation, but awkward and not idiomatically good. I think it would be understood, but duolingo wants you to become fluent, so the idiom is important. A really good dictionary might help. You probably use the word 'that' in many different ways without realizing it.
I disagree.. Using "so" or "that" can be used to suggest that the person is not as tall as was initially assumed. For example, you can say, he is not as tall as i thought before.. Or even in comparing him.. For example, he is not as tall as the wall.
Both these examples you can say he is not so tall, or he is not that tall.
Saying that he is not very tall suggests only that he is not very tall.. You would then use muy instead of tan in that case
Except that, just as in English, words have different connotations depending on the context. If you were discussing how tall someone is in English, you would not say 'He is 6 feet high.' So in Spanish, it is the same way. In this sentence 'alto' does not mean high. It means tall, as in how tall a person is, not how tall a building or mountain is. And they want you to listen to it over and over (just as you learn any other concept or connotation, etc. -- over and over) with the most accurate connotation in your mind. Don't worry about 'should they have said it was right?' Just believe them and listen to it over and over while picturing in your mind how someone kind of medium tall.
When you learn words that have just been created, you have to stretch your brain to embrace the concept -- when the Internet was invented, no one knew what the word meant till they began to experience it. Same way with stretching your thinking to embrace a word in a different language. Love that you are becoming enlarged mentally, socially, etc. Go with it!!!