https://www.duolingo.com/kaikaku

Is polish a regular language?

Regular language, I mean, not with many exeptions and weird things going on?

December 17, 2015

13 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/AndrewMTO

It is very regular. For an English speaker like me, that in of itself can be weird. To English eyes the spelling may look weird but once you learn the rules, it far easier to spell a word you hear in Polish than to spell one in English.

December 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/kaikaku

What about grammar?

December 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/AndrewMTO

regular in its own way unlike English.

December 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Vengir

It is, and it isn't.

Find an obscure word in Polish dictionary which I've never seen before and tell me its basic definition and as a native I'll most likely be able to inflect it correctly. But there is so many rules for all of that, that it can't be easilly memorized. Some of them are never taught at schools despite being subconciously applied in normal speech.

Probably best thing you can do is to just go with the flow and learn from your mistakes.

December 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Latcarf

The pronunciation is very regular, the rest is very irregular.

December 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Alharacas

Since you speak a lot more languages than I do, I'm not sure if you'd find Polish as extraordinarily difficult as I do. But in my opinion, there really are a lot of weird grammar things going on in Polish. It may well be a regular language (as some Polish commenters have claimed), but it certainly has a bewildering number of rules. E.g. some nouns have 2 plural forms, e.g. if you're speaking about years, then it's 1 rok, 2-4 lata, 5-21 lat, 22-24 lata, 25-31 lat, 32-34 lata... Usually, in a positive sentence, the object takes the accusative, but if there's a negation, then it takes the genitive. And in the genitive, male nouns either take the ending -a or -u, but there doesn't seem to be a rule for that - or at least there is such a number of rules that they might as well be non-existent. Then they don't only have 3 different (but hellishly similar-looking) sets of rules for the declension of masculine, feminine and neuter nouns (in 6 cases x 2 for singular and plural), there's another set of rules for the declension of masculine-alive nouns (like boy, farmer, dog) in 7 cases, plus fruit and cigarettes are also considered to be alive. I find it an incredibly entertaining language to learn (I've been learning Polish for about 2 years now), but I have long since given up on the idea that I will ever be able to spontaneously come up with a correct Polish sentence of more than 2 or 3 words.

December 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Tvistnek

Those aren't two plural forms, one is the genitive singular (for counting 2-4 and 22-24, 32-34 etc.) and the other is the genitive plural (for counting 5-20, 25-30 - here it happens to be the same as the null morpheme nominative).

December 18, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Vengir

You are almost correct, except that it's not genitive singular, but nominative plural. You were right about genitive plural part though.

PS: As some may have noticed, "rok" (year) and "lato" (summer) shares the same plural form – "lata". We would literally count years in summers instead. :) And in more poetic language you can count somebody's age in springs (wiosny).

December 19, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Latcarf

In practice, they do look like two plural forms (they are two different forms of a word that are used when you want to say that you have several things)

December 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Jantek_Jantek

Animate (alive) and personal masculine nouns in genitive always take -a and inanimate (almost) always take -u. The harder thing is to distinguish if a noun is animate or not. Especially if it is a cigarette. But it is still somehow regular as for three syllables ending in -os are usually animate. But it really is not a rule to remember I think. It's more to get used to when listening and speaking to just feel what you should say. Polish is not a language where you should memorize every rule.

December 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Johan_Fayez

As I learned it before, I think, no, it isn't. :( It was very hard to me to learn it so, I didn't complete learning it because for example one word has many letters and its pronounciation wierd so, it is really a very wierd language :D

December 17, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Jantek_Jantek

The pronunciation being weird or words having many letters or even being difficult has nothing to do with being regular.

December 21, 2015

https://www.duolingo.com/Jantek_Jantek

The pronunciation is very regular but when it comes to grammar... It is quite regular and logical but very complicated.

December 18, 2015
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