"Those men and this woman are eating dinner."
Translation:Tamci mężczyźni i ta kobieta jedzą kolację.
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I thought "kolacja" was dinner and "obiad" was lunch? But now I'm reading "obiad" is dinner and "kolacja" is supper. In English, we don't really have this distinction. What's the difference in Polish, and how do you refer to the afternoon meal?
Obiad is the main meal, which takes place mid to late afternoon. Kolacja is usually a small meal in the evening. So you could call either 'dinner' depending on your local usage of the term. Best not to think of them as exactly equivalent.
Agreed. I know what each means, and because of that I selected "obiad" and not "kolacja", but it was marked incorrect because I didn't choose both.
In English, we do have the same overlaps and confusions discussed. This is noticeable, for example, in farming areas in Canada or the North of England. We might have breakfast, lunch, and dinner in the city; breakfast, dinner, and supper in the country; and on celebration days (like New Year's Eve) in some places we might have breakfast, lunch, dinner, and supper. Polish has the same kinds of variation.
"Obiad" is lunch or dinner, depending on where you're from and what variety of English influenced your English most.
In Polish, "obiad" is the second of the main three meals (śniadanie, obiad, kolacja), usually the biggest one.
I think that obiad should be lunch (maybe late lunch) and kolacja should be either dinner or supper. That would make a lot more sense.
Didn't Duolingo say that "dinner" will refer only to the evening meal, not the midday meal?
No. It refers to both, as the matter is complicated between the natives of different dialects. But the default version is the American one, as Duolingo is an American company. Therefore the first interpretation will be 'the evening meal', but everyone has the possibility to use the British interpretation.
The point is they don't really correspond to meals in the English speaking world anyway. Obiad might be 3-4pm. For me that's neither lunch nor dinner. It's obiad.
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Dinner should not be a required translation for obiad. This is uncommon in English. Yes I know some dialects use it this way
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Thanks for clearing that up for me, the folks that emigrated to work the marble quarries were not sad to to say very educated and there was a lot of pidgin Polish spoken. I never heard pokoj, it was always idz do twojego rumu. That and many other terms where Polish was Anglicized.
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Breakfast , dinner and supper was also what we always used when I was a child many decades ago, dinner became a more or less more fashionable translation to separate the rabble from the movie stars etc. Jestem dziadem
Here in the UK, the word 'Dinner' is used differently in different areas. So, say, here in the North it means lunch, but further South it means the evening meal. 'Supper' can mean the main evening meal (in the South) or, here in the North, it can mean a light meal eaten later in the evening sometime after the main meal. Often the main evening meal is called 'Tea'. Now you would think that tea is something you drink, yes, but it is also a meal. So you can drink tea while you eat your tea. If that sounds confusing, just try to understand the game of cricket and you will have mastered how the British think. And you thought that Polish was difficult? (Don't, just don't ask how our political system works, OK! That's even more confusing.)
It depends on which part of the English-speaking world you are.
śniadanie/obiad/kolacja = breakfast/lunch/dinner or breakfast/dinner/supper.
Whichever version do you consider the right one, it should always be accepted. But usually both English versions are starred, so both will be needed in 'choose all correct translations' exercises.
I prefer śniadanie/obiad/kolacja=Breakfast/Lunch/Dinner respectively because that is the order of how I take meals
And could I get highlighted what is wrong exactly? It's not easy to compare multi-word sentence and find tiny difference that you treat as an error
the answer that I was given when I wrote 'te' was 'ci'. Now i see here that above it is 'tamci' WHY? and why isn't 'te' correct for 'those' men?
There are two plurals. "te" and "tamte" are "these" and "those" for the 'not masculine-personal plural'. "ci" and "tamci" are for 'masculine-personal plural'. The names are complicated, but at least they say all they need to say. 'masculine personal' is used for 'groups of people with at least one man' - 'men' obviously belong to that group. 'not masculine-personal plural' is for everything else: women, trees, cars, boxes, dogs, children, etc.
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What is the relationship between , tamci and tamte, I never heard tamci as a kid.
"tamci" is masculine personal plural. You need to use it with nouns like "mężczyźni", "ludzie", "chłopcy" and other nouns describing 'groups with at least one man'.
"tamte" is for everything else.
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It's ambiguous in the US too. My family preferred a large mid-day meal and called them breakfast, dinner and supper.
Tamci is masculine personal, tamte is non-masculine-personal.
I agree, it is granted that the translation is not direct, but the exercises sometimes are contradicting themselves and it feels like "guessing" if it will be lunch or dinner.
śniadanie/obiad/kolacja = breakfast/lunch/dinner or breakfast/dinner/supper.
Whichever version do you consider the right one, it should always be accepted. But usually both English versions are starred, so both will be needed in 'choose all correct translations' exercises.
