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Questions on laddering

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So after completing the Spanish from English tree (and more or less being able to carry on conversations in Spanish now), I started working on the reverse tree to provide additional vocabulary and practice. However, I've started in on other languages too. I took French in HS and college, though was terrible at it at the time because of I was just doing it to fulfill academic requirements. Amazingly, despite not using it in 20+ years, some it actually stuck though as I'm now surprised to find out.

So three questions for experienced Duo users. 1) Do you suggest completing the ENG from SPAN tree or the FREN from ENG (or both) before trying to ladder the FREN and SPAN too much? I've dabbled to this point, finishing about 15 or 20 lessons of FREN from SPAN. 2) If French is coming back to me fairly readily, is another language possible? (German is next on my list) 3) Do those of you who do ladder do so with languages you are learning from an early stage, or only once established? In this instance, I'm asking to figure out if I should ladder German with anything from the start, or only once I've gotten through the German from English tree (or after the reverse once both are done) ...

2 years ago

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I have read enough of these discussions to discover that anything goes, but not for the individual. Some people bounce between three or four language trees in a day, others stick to one at a time. They may move monthly or weekly - laddering as you say - but not daily. I would make sure that you are at very different levels and secure in your first before beginning the second. If you begin confusing the names of those pesky spiders, whales, and crabs - give it a rest until you review the first language more.

But, as long as your error rate is comfortable, the sky is the limit.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HooSteveK
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Merci and danke! Despite 3 HS years and 3 college semesters of French, my Spanish is light years ahead at the moment (because I've actually tried to use it with recent travel and with Spanish language TV/radio). I guess I'll continue to dabble and see how it goes ...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jazztonight

This really depends on you, your personality, what your work/school situation is, and so on. I observe many Duolingo users who seem to be studying 12 languages at once, and I just don't get it--what is their purpose?

Personally, I studied German for four years in high school and learned, well, not a lot. In a later college experience, I took a year of French and learned how to pronounce the words, but little more.

However, prior to a trip to Mexico 30 years ago, I took one semester of Spanish and that was the key to foreign language for me.

I've spent the last 410 days on first the Spanish for English speakers tree, getting to level 25, and am now going through the reverse tree, which I also intend to take to the top level. Then I'll add other learning materials and media and more trips to Mexico.

Just getting the tree to be gold one time does not mean a lot. You need to keep it gold, review the lessons repeatedly, and really learn the vocabulary and grammar. It takes time and concentration. And repetition.

Learning styles differ from one person to the next. Find your style and run with it. Good luck!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HooSteveK
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Gracias por tu consejo ... I'm pretty good with the early lessons and vocab on the Spanish tree, it's the later grammar/tense units that I struggle with a bit (and ultimately will be the most useful for improved fluency in the language). I've also been using the reverse tree to try nailing down some of the other grammar points, like which verbs include the preposition, which ones have some usages with or without the preposition, etc. Ultimately, I guess I will play around with it a bit more and see what works.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jazztonight

Yes, it's those "later lessons" that kick your butt!

Frankly, after spending all of this time and energy on the lessons, I actually feel like I'm getting a better feel for when to put the "extra" pronouns into the Spanish sentences, and where they're supposed to go.

These differences in word placement and order are what make listening to "bad English" sound weird, and what probably makes native Spanish speakers smile when they hear me attempting to communicate complex concepts with limited capabilities. ;-)

That said, making small bits of progress is very satisfying. Every once in a while you find the right key that opens up a door to a new language skill.

Poco a poco.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/matfran2001
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As salihua and Jazztonight already said, it really depends on each person.

Each person is unique, so just try several possibilities and then decide what works best for you.

I have read papers saying that most people learn faster and better studying just one language at a time.

I would study one at a time, but I get bored quite quickly, somehow I feel I need to change languages, so each day I do several lessons of several different languages.

I do "laddering" a lot, I think I learn more that way, but as I said, each person is different.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GermanCheetah

Fröhliche Weihnachten!

2 years ago