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Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from December 20th to December 27th

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The German for Portuguese course has graduated from beta. Congratulations to the course team and to the Duolingo team. We now have 42 courses in phase 3. Adding another 10 in beta, there are 52 courses currently available to the language learners!

Celebrating 2015
As promised last week, following the weekly numbers is a snapshot of the wonderful progress achieved during 2015.

PHASE 1 Progress: Total 29 courses

Spanish for Chinese - 92% | 95% | 97% | 100% (+3)

Spanish for Russian - 94% | 96% | 97% | 97% (+0)

French for Arabic - 76% | 83% | 88% | 93% (+5)

Welsh for English - 75% | 80% | 85% | 92% (+7) ^

Vietnamese for English - 87% | 90% | 92% | 91% (-1)

English for Thai  - 89% | 90% | 91% | 91% (+0)

French for Russian - 68% | 76% | 79% | 83% (+4)

Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^

German for Italian - 77% | 79% | 79% | 80% (+1)

Hebrew for English - 71% | 71% | 71% | 71% (+0)

Romanian for English - 64% | 67% | 71% | 69% (-2)

Spanish for Italian - 66% | 68% | 68% | 68% (+0)

Swedish for Russian - 58% | 59% | 60% | 60% (+0)

Swedish for Arabic - 54% | 56% | 56% | 58% (+2)

German for Arabic - 41% | 43% | 43% | 45% (+2)

French for Turkish - 38% | 39% | 40% | 40% (+0)

Italian for Portuguese - 34% | 36% | 39% | 40% (+1)

Russian for Turkish - 37% | 38% | 39% | 39% (+0)

Greek for English - 26% | 29% | 35% | 39% (+4)

Portuguese for French - 19% | 19% | 23% | 33% (+10) *

Esperanto for Spanish - 22% | 21% | 28% | 28% (+0)

Czech for English - 26% | 26% | 27% | 28% (+1) ^

Guarani for Spanish - 14% | 18% | 24% | 27% (+3)

Hindi for English - 22% | 22% | 22% | 25% (+3) ^

Swahili for English - 15% | 15% | 23% | 23% (+0) ^

Klingon for English - 20% | 20% | 21% | 21% (+0)

French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)

Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)

Indonesian for English - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)

Mean - 1.42% | 1.65% | 2.14% | 1.48% (-0.66)
Median - 0% | 1% | 1% | 0% (-1)

* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, Welsh, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation

Progress Visualized:

2015 Snapshot
29 courses entered phase 1
14 courses entered phase 2 (started beta)
17 courses entered phase 3 (graduated from beta)

Dec 06 (IDen1 {@style=color: Gold}) 13 (PLen2 DEtr2 {@style=color: Lime}) 20 27 (DEpt3 {@style=color: Turquoise})
Nov 01 (SWen1 FRtr1 {@style=color: Gold}) 08 (RUen2 {@style=color: Lime}) 15 (FRru1 {@style=color: Gold}) 22 (RUtr1 {@style=color: Gold} CAes2 {@style=color: Lime} ENko3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 29 (ESde3 {@style=color: Turquoise})
Oct 04 11 (CYen1 GNes1 {@style=color: Gold} FRit2 {@style=color: Lime} ITfr3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 18 (FRar1 SVar1 EOes1 {@style=color: Gold} DEfr2 {@style=color: Lime}) 25
Sep 06 (ESde2 {@style=color: Lime}) 13 21 (DEar1 {@style=color: Gold} DEpt2 {@style=color: Lime}) 27
Aug 02 09 16 (NOen3 ENar3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 23 (PTfr1 ITpt1 {@style=color: Gold}) 30
Jul 05 12 (CSen1 {@style=color: Gold}) 19 26
Jun 07 (ENid3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 14 (HIen1 {@style=color: Gold} TRen3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 21 28
May 03 (ESru1 {@style=color: Gold}) 10 17 (CAes1 {@style=color: Gold}) 24 (UKen2 NOen2 {@style=color: Lime} FRpt3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 31 (EOen2 {@style=color: Lime})
Apr 05 (PTes3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 12 (TLHen1 {@style=color: Gold}) 19 26
Mar 01 08 DEru3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 15 (FRpt2 {@style=color: Lime} ENvi3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 22 29 (HEen1 {@style=color: Gold} TRen2 {@style=color: Lime})
Feb 01 (DEpt1 {@style=color: Gold} FRde3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 08 (DEfr1 {@style=color: Gold} DAen3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 15 (YIen1 {@style=color: Gold}) 22 (ELen1 SVru1 FRcn1 EScn1 {@style=color: Gold})
Jan 04 11 (ESde1 VIen1 {@style=color: Gold}) 18 GAen3 {@style=color: Turquoise}) 25 (NOen1 {@style=color: Gold} ENhi3 NLen3 SVen3 {@style=color: Turquoise})

Key:
Phase 1 {@style=color: Gold} Phase 2 {@style=color: Lime} Phase 3 {@style=color: Turquoise}
TARGET LANGUAGE, source language
AR: Arabic
CA: Catalan
CN: Chinese
CY: Welsh
DA: Danish
DE: German
EL: Greek
EN: English
EO: Esperanto
ES: Spanish
FR: French
GA: Irish
GN: Gaurani
HE: Hebrew
HI: Hindi
ID: Indonesian
IT: Italian
KO: Korean
NL: Dutch
NO: Norwegian
PL: Polish
PT: Portuguese
RU: Russian
SV: Swedish
SW: Swahili
TLH: Klingon
TR: Turkish
UK: Ukrainian
VI: Vietnamese
YI: Yiddish

Formatting ideas credit to Hyllning

Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).

AndrewMasa from Team Romanian

Hello, We have some good news! Firstly, we would like to introduce Eradus as our Alpha Tester. With his help, we can assure users a better and more complete course. Secondly, (and as promised) we had 2 productive weeks, where:

1) We reached 1444 completed words

2) We finished 3 full lessons

We are hoping to take advantage of the Christmas break and work more. Happy holidays!

Bună,

Avem niște vești bune! În primul rând, l-am adus pe Eradus ca Alpha Tester și cu ajutorul său, putem asigura un curs mai bun și mai complet pentru useri. A doua la mână, am avut încă două săptămâni utile așa cum am promis.

1) Am ajuns la 1444 de cuvinte completate

2) Am terminat 3 lecții întregi

Fiind în pauza de iarnă, sperăm să profităm de ocazie și să lucrăm în plus. Numai bine și sărbători fericite!

And with that, the Romanian team claims the Star Update Award!

jitengore from Team Hindi wrote yesterday:

Celebrating half a million learner base!

The English for Hindi course now has 500k learners.

The course team will continue to address only the basic needs for this course while we build the course of Hindi for the English learners.

rmcode from Team Welsh wrote 10 hours ago:

Important Target Reached!

We've had a good week and have now reached an important target. We have now input over 2,000 words, which we regarded as our minimum requirement. We completed another 7% of our translations this week, giving us a combined total of around 92%.

Next week we anticipate completing the writing phase of the course and then our focus will be on making the corrections and adding the audio.

We're hoping to have our second meetup next week in Cardiff, the capital city of Wales.

Here's wishing everyone - Blwyddyn Newydd Dda (A Happy New Year)

Tîm Cymraeg

nueby from Team Czech wrote 10 hours ago:

Week 25

560 words, 28%.

jitengore from Team Hindi wrote just now:

Week 29: 25% complete, beta launch delayed

We have resumed with our progress. Hope to maintain and pick up steam! Here's a sample of the books that are serving for reference as we build this course.

TL;DR
The German for Portuguese course is now out of beta! From the summary for 2015, one can see that there were as many as 29 courses that started in the Duolingo Incubator this year and 14 beta courses got released.

The next update is expected on Sunday, 3rd of January at 4:00 pm UTC.

Previous Update 6-Dec to 13-Dec

Last updates from: 2015: Nov, Oct, Sep, Aug, Jul, Jun, May, Apr, Mar, Feb, Jan.

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Cheering for Tîm Cymraeg! Your progress is amazing! Can't wait to start your course!

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Agreed! I am altogether eager to see that little Welsh dragon next to my username <3 and attempt to get my brain around a Celtic language!

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https://www.duolingo.com/CodyORB
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Me too!

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https://www.duolingo.com/XD29
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Great! Have a lingot!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza
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Yes the Hindi team is making progress !

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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I wish the same could be said for Indonesian.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I think, a longer time to begin progress when building an entirely new tree is well justified. My team is in a similar mode! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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Yeah, I guess there's that. Props for making progress.

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https://www.duolingo.com/txredeyes
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Here's to many more courses being released in 2016! :D

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One interesting yearly stat is that apparently, according to Duolingo wiki, 7 unique languages were added this year.

It would actually be interesting to add those year stats in this post to it though, perhaps I'll do it one of these days.

Interestingly, there are over 5 courses that have been incubating for over a year, and within 77 days some courses will reach a record of two years in the incubator. Duolingo really needs to re-evaluate its process if a course takes 2 years with more than 2 contributors. Perhaps they should reduce the maximum number of words required before going to beta. If each course has an average of 1000 words, and 6 sentences ( original and translation). Within 365 days 2 people could complete it, if on average 8 sentences are added per day.

With tree versioning they can afford to release smaller trees, and improve them at a later stage.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/oskalingo
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With tree versioning they can afford to release smaller trees, and improve them at a later stage.

Very much agree. Look at the Turkish course for English speakers as an example of a shorter course that was very well received and is now being extended.

The other advantage of getting a small tree out early is that you can identify possible future contributors to add to the team from people who engage in the course once it's released and lodge good error reports and help other learners.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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You can't tell from an error report who submitted it, though.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Mr.Quizzical

7 unique languages were added this year, but there are 5 languages for English speakers in the incubator that are brand new. They are Yiddish, Swahili, Hebrew, Welsh, and Klingon

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Don't forget the brand new Catalan for Spanish speakers too. :)

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It annoys me that the English speakers in here forget Catalan happened!

I wonder if Catalan for Spanish speakers has been promoted for migrants to Catalonia from the rest of Spain? I would love to see Basque from Spanish also.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr.Quizzical

I didn't forget about that. That is why I said for English speakers

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This, one thousand times. I don't like it how initially we saw 2 months max for incubation and now upwards of two years.

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I think I read somewhere that at first volunteers would build a course by taking an existing English course, like English for Spanish speakers, and only replacing all the Spanish with another language. For example, replacing the Spanish sentences with Dutch sentences in order to make the English for Dutch speakers course.

These days don't many of the volunteers try to customize the courses more, taking into account the differences and similarities between the two languages? For example, Spanish has words for "the" and "a" and I heard Russian doesn't. It would be good for English for Russian speakers to spend more time on "the" and "a" than English for Spanish speakers does.

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Whilst I know you're talking about courses teaching English, the template-nature of the Duolingo tree has actually been a pretty major problem - and it's why some languages take much long in the incubator.

The original Spanish tree is OK for something vaguely similar in structure like French, but it's pretty useless for teaching languages like Hungarian, Turkish or Finnish.

So some teams have essentially had to create an entire new structure from scratch, as the Spanish one simply isn't always relevant.

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Yes, exactly! Also, I was just using the English for Spanish speakers course as an example.

In the status update starting with "Karibuni!" at https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/sw/en/status we can see a little of the Swahili for English speakers skill tree and there's a Ki/Vi skill. That's for one or two of the noun classes, right? I agree with you, the original Spanish tree doesn't need or have a separate skill especially for one or two of its noun classes, but spending as little time on that in a Swahili tree would be useless.

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There must be ways to streamline the incubator process; short trees would be a start, even very short ones - trees that can be completed at level 8 - would help build a community around the language.

It is odd that immersion-type crowd sourcing isn't used to build trees; lessons could include one or two sentences each time that are untranslated and then added to the tree when common translations emerge, the original untranslated sentences could be sourced from other, well established trees.

Thus, say for example, you are strengthening Food in the (short) Yiddish tree and so far you have been scoring highly, then Duolingo would throw in a sentence from the German Food lesson that doesn't have a Yiddish translation; you'd translate it and if lots of people give the same translation this would be added as part of a new lesson in the Yiddish Food skill, helping the Yiddish tree to grow to German tree list proportions.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Xefjord

Sounds like troll bait for 4chan. The internet is toxic so things need to be controlled a bit more than that :/

2 years ago

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That should be easy to control for with novel sentences only presented to people strengthening in skills they've already completed, people who have been on the site a while, that would exclude all but the most dedicated sock-puppet accounts and then if sentences chosen from a largish corpus and translated over weeks and months it would make it hard to coordinate and anyway if it was a problem it could be run by someone on the language team, like "my answer should have been accepted" reports are now.

2 years ago

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In your example, Yiddish and German don't actually use the same alphabet, so I'm not sure how that would really work??

2 years ago

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Does that matter? A English language sentence from the German for English speakers course is presented as part of a Yiddish strengthening; the learner translates it to Yiddish using the Hebrew alphabet, after this has been done lots of times, the most popular translation, perhaps weighted by learner ability, is chosen as the standard translation, some others are chosen as alternatives.

This way, Yiddish could launch with only two or three Food lessons and then grow over time to the full eight in the German course.

2 years ago

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You mean that the language course would be created by the learners? That could be a great way of creating a conlang, by the way.

2 years ago

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Or extended by the learners - it already happens to a certain extent - alternative translations are added through "my answer should have been accepted" reports; these are checked by eye but they come from the learners.

2 years ago

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Thus, say for example, you are strengthening Food in the (short) Yiddish tree and so far you have been scoring highly, then Duolingo would throw in a sentence from the German Food lesson that doesn't have a Yiddish translation; you'd translate it and if lots of people give the same translation this would be added as part of a new lesson in the Yiddish Food skill, helping the Yiddish tree to grow to German tree list proportions.

I like that idea, and have probably proposed it myself at some point. I think there is a lot of wasted effort in hundreds of translations and data generated by users. Sufficiently advanced users can possibly do a lot of exercises incorporating content from other courses without the need to translate it. There are cloze tests, comprehension exercises, and lots of uses for that data. But unfortunately they seem to keep the data separate, although from what I've heard incubator contributors can actually add content (sentences) from other courses to their exercises.

2 years ago

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Team Vietnamese vs. Team Welsh to be the first language of 2016!!!

2 years ago

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As a Welshman, I'll cheer on Team Welsh, but Team Vietnamese had a major setback earlier on so I'm cheering them on just as strongly.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza
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I guess Welsh is going to win. We will probably see Welsh in January and Vietnamese is February

2 years ago

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Vietnamese is expected to be out sometime in February.

2 years ago

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Team Planning-to-Do-Both can't decide who to vote for... o___O!

2 years ago

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Symbolically, a good choice release of the Welsh course could be St David's Day (1 March) 2016?

Seems a strong chance they'll be done before that though.

2 years ago

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Good job for the Greek Team for picking up progress after a long stall! Hopefully we'll be able to learn it in this upcoming year.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/russianmoth
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yay Greek is doing things!!! I can't wait!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/YoungSpice94

I would think the HNG for ENG speakers would progress more since the reverse course has been released. I saw that they picked up a new contributor, I hope progress in being made.

2 years ago

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I've been waiting for Hungarian for English speakers for a while - maybe 2 years.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/m.a.k.f
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Team Hebrew seems to be stuck :( Anyone has any news about them?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/airelibre
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We each have our own obstacles at the moment. I can only comment about myself: I don't have a functioning laptop anymore and I'm trying to find a new, cheap one asap (I still like to keep up with incubator progress through my phone but trying to add sentences to the incubator by phone is not ideal). Also, we are still in contact with one another and this week progress has indeed been made, even though the percentage doesn't show this (two contributors added 25 sentences each).

Rest assured that the course will be available during the first half of the coming year (hopefully the first quarter!).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Happy new year to the WIU followers!

Heads-up: This week's update will be running late by several hours...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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Thanks for the heads up. By the way, could you include team Irish's new update? It seems fairly important. Thanks!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Teen_Polyglot

Go team Guarani! I can't wait for the course to graduate.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sandra583316

Team Hungarian, I wish I could help you! I only know Szia, hogy vagy? :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/.clayton.
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These overall updates are EXTREMELY helpful, although sometimes upsetting... cough! cough! HUNGARIAN!!! cough! cough...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun
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Wow, that is a nice snapshot you have put there!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mr.Quizzical

Technically the Duolingo code for chinese is zh-CN

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I am aware :) Even their Norwegian one (no-BO) is not what I have used above - the two character uniformity (except for Klingon) was the consideration.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CodyORB
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I WANT WELSH! OM NOM NOM I THINK I'M TRANSFORMING INTO A CORGI!!!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddbeachgirl
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Happy New Year to WIU, JitenGore, and all the incubator volunteers! 2015 has been an amazing year. A million thanks to you for all the dedicated work !

Bonne Année! Feliz Año Nuevo! Mutlu Yıllar! Felice Anno Nuovo! С Новым Годом! Bon Any Nou!

And for 2016, Chúc mừng năm mới!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andrew-Macdonald

It looks like the Welsh team has made the formerly ridiculous estimate of there progress in the incubator come true! Well, it's actually stll off by 1%.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TelevisionMan
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One good thing about the Hungarian delay: it's giving me plenty of time to finish my German tree first!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nemesis_NaR

There was a Stage 3 update from the team Norwegian regarding their tree 2.0. Could you please add it jitengore?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Thanks, I am stepping out right now. Another option would be to include it in the next week's update to provide it a larger audience.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nemesis_NaR

That's up to you. But I guess you're right, next week sounds better.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Actually that was covered in the WIU from early November.

https://www.duolingo.com/comment/11718108

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nemesis_NaR

Well, no... There is a comment from two weeks ago talking about some very interesting characteristics of their new, almost finished, 2.0 tree.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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Hi Jiten. Thanks for everything. "TRen2" appears on March 29th and June 14th. I believe you meant for the latter to be its exit from beta.

Good luck with Hindi for English. Can't wait!

Thanks again.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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Thanks for catching that. Corrected!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/efisgpr
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No prob!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CodyORB
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I think Yiddish is pretty much dead now.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/.clayton.
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I think fate is the same for those poor hungarians :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CodyORB
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Hungarian is 100%! They aren't stopping now!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BroderUlf
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I think they're adding more tree as they implement it, so it stays near 100%. Hard to tell without updates.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/zakblak
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I'm sure this question has been answered before, but what program is used to create the diagram under "Progress Visualized"?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore
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I use Microsoft Excel to create that chart.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Pratyush.
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Excel

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linaria1
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Can't wait for Welsh!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jarcher77
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Team Welsh is amazing! Great to see progress for Hindi and Greek. I'm definitely looking forward to those three.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cgolubi1
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I don't want to hijack the incubator report too badly, but: has anyone else noticed that the learner counts and percents done on https://www.duolingo.com/courses/all appear to have stalled out a few weeks ago. AFAICT all numbers on that page are identical to what they were on the 15th, nearly two weeks ago.

Any chance anyone else either periodically scans that data and can confirm whether they're seeing the same thing, or knows if updates were disabled on purpose for some reason?

Thanks very much in advance!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19
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Yes, I have noticed the same thing. I guess they are just going to be updating it less and less often. I remember at some point it was updated very often, even more than once a day but not on weekends. For now I just check the incubator page as it is apparently updated every hour.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/cgolubi1
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Yeah, that's possible --- i still suspect something is broken - going from multiple updates a week to no updates in two weeks doesn't seem intentional to me. Anyway, thanks for the tip about looking on the incubator page. I'll try that!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MariamZak

Hooray ✌

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ameyawarde

excited to see progress being made in hindi!! Can't waiiiiiiiiiit!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/deargreimse

It's good to see more options from Portuguese. Hopefully eventually I will become fluent enough in Portuguese for English to move on from there... :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Double100
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This is incredibly informative! Thank you so much for telling us this! Have a lingot.

2 years ago