Sorry, but i do not understand these comments sometimes. People saying that different things are "bad english." We are not learning english, we are learning spanish. "Tengo que comprar un coche" is also not not good elglish(I have that to buy a car) but it is how it is said in Spanish.
Some people on DL have commented that they are learning more about English.
In addition, if one understands the structure of English, especially "good" English, the Spanish is easier to learn -- especially if one also has a good English vocabulary.
And I feel that that "elevated number of people is weird English though, I believe, grammatically correct. "An elevated number of people" is how only a few (weird?) people would say "an increased number of people" or perhaps better, "an increase in the number of people" of a "high number."
Fortunately, DL didn't translate it as "elevated." This false cognate (friend) is a new word for me. According to this source, a translation of "elevado" is "high
Duo's purpose (business plan) is to generate translators who can translate from (in this case) Spanish to (in this case) English.) So learning correct idiomatic English is essential. "An elevated number" is not normal idiomatic English in the given context and should not be the preferred response here. Much better: "More People", "More babies", "More tequilas".
While it may have been the originaly stated purpose of Duo to create translators, their approach of focusing solely on vocabulary with little to no guidance on context or grammar reveals otherwise.
Any appearance of trying to create translators was officially abandoned when the Immersion feature was discontinued over a year ago.
I feel we can get the best use out of Duo by appreciating it for what it is, a great way to boost our vocabulary. Having expectations above that is setting ourselves up for disappointment.
@ bdbarber Really? I wouldn't have guessed that. But I guess I could have been more clear for those with the inability to reason out the point being made. And it is that much of what exists as the way to say things in spanish would not sound correct if directly translated to english. So who cares, I want to learn how to say things the way they are said in spanish, not whine about how it doesn't sound right in english. Another example: mi hermano les da un perro todos los años. - my brother gives them a dog every year. Literal translation - my brother to them gives a dog all the years. We can't complain that the translation doesn't sound right in english.
The low frequency of use of "elevated number of people" (for example in Google books) suggests that the "proper context" might be elusive. And clicking through to the sources always shows a text that would not be harmed or would even improve if this phrase were replaced with a simpler one.
A native speaker can get away with weird usage, but those who really are learning English here will be better off not experimenting.
"Proper context" isn't elusive. Elevated is simply a word that is more likely to be used in a scientific setting than in ordinary conversation. It's something you'd see in a technical paper or discussion. For example, your city's old power grid might need upgrades if they anticipate an elevated number of people in the city (perhaps for a big festival).
Like many words in English "elevado" has multiple meanings: tall, high, noble, lofty, elevated, large and possibly others. What is actually intended will be clear from the context. When it refers to quantities (such as number of people) it means “large”. When it refers to prices, it means “high”. When referring to people, it means “noble or lofty”. If you’re speaking of buildings, then it means “tall”. You pick these things up over time.
As far as learning, I recommend having a dictionary and a conjugation tool on hand when you are working. There are many online tools. I use www.oxforddictionaries.com because it has multiple languages as well as American and British English. I use www.Spanishdict.com, which has a conjugation tool. I often refer to www.rae.es/recursos/diccionarios/drae, the dictionary of the Real Academia Española.
There are two sentences in this lesson that put "elevado" into different places in the sentence: "Un número elevado de personas" and "Un elevado número de bebés.
Is it correct that "elevado" can go before or after the subject, or am I missing something? Thanks in advance for any help!
My understanding is that when you put an adjective in front of its noun, it adds emphasis or acts as an intensifier. Una casa grande = a large house; una gran casa = a grand house.
It's probably the same here. Un número elevado = a large number; un elevado número = an increased number. It's the difference between having a lot (of something) and having more than before.
From what I've been able to piece together, this sentence should never be translated as "An elevated number of people." The proper translation should be more along the lines of "A large number of people." To use "elevated" implies an increase over the number compared to some other time or place. That is not what this sentence means. When "elevado" translates to "elevated" it means more sophisticated.
In short, DL is wrong to suggest "elevated" as an acceptable translation in this context. If it were correct, then "increased" would have to be accepted as well (which it is not).
My advice, stop trying to force either "elevated" or "increased" into the translation. Instead of complaining about how "increased" is better or shouldn't be rejected, report "elevated" as wrong.
Oh, and I'm an American English speaker. I'm only (slowly) learning Spanish.
Elevado/a is a good adjective to know, regardless of the DL context. "Estoy enfermo. Tengo una temperatura elevada." I have heard "Un gran numero de gente" in place of the DL sentence but it does not convey the essence of an increased number (elevated). I have to keep remembering that false cognates ruin translations. As soon as I can learn to think in Spanish and quit translating in my brain, these false cognates will go away.
I've heard "elevated" in different circumstances recently. An example: "The elevated number of juvenile fractures presenting in the emergency room indicates uncurtained trampolines are a genuine hazard." Until now, I hadn't realized I had mentally put "elevated" into a "quantity" category...? Number of reports, number of cases, but, not really people? Of course, the fractures happened to people, but, the reports aren't people themselves, if you get my meaning? Is this a real thing, or, is it just my own habit?
The concept, as I understand it, is about scale. Someone noted above about the English use in an elevated white blood cell count. Thus a census taker might record an elevated number of people. It is the number (head count) that is elevated, not the people's location overhead or in space.
"Increased" wrong- that's what we get for trying to apply acceptable alternatives when we should awkwardly be using "elevated" in our translation. To synonym or NOT to synonym, THAT is the question. New phrase to remember, "When in doubt, always take the awkward route!"
From other discussion here, it seems that "elevado" (when referring to a number) can mean either a LARGE number or a LARGER (i.e. increased) number. So either of those should be accepted as an answer. Translating it as an "elevated number" (as DL prefers, but which is horrible English) leaves it ambiguous.
DL's translation: "An elevated number of people" and marked my response as wrong: "An increased number of people." #1, iggy! (2 years ago), gave the same response (increased), and was marked wrong, but reported it because the two words are synonymous. #2 When I put my curser on the word "elevado", "elevated" is not one of the possible/accepted translations.
For people who are learning English on DL, it would be much more helpful to learn the common way of saying a phrase as opposed to the "correct" way. "An increased number of people" or just simply "more people" as opposed to the scientific phrase "an elevated number of people"
Examples: More people came to your party. (Common) An elevated number of students from this class failed. (Scientific)
Here we go again. Most of the discussion on this page describes how bad the "English" would be. We are not learning English, we are learning Spanish. Stop translating to English. Think in Spanish. If this is a phrase a native would use, then learn it. If you know another Spanish phrase that says the same thing, then use it. DL is a teaching tool to learn different words, phrases, and syntax. If they are not silly in Spanish, add them to your repertoire. Cuanto antes pienses en español, más feliz eres. No pienses en inglés! (Singular 2nd person because I am addressing this to YOU only, my friend.)
I think the problem is always context - we only have a sentence or phrase. How are we supposed to read from "elevado" whether this is high - e.g. he stood on an elevated platform, or whether there is a sense in the Spanish of change from a previous state e.g. an increased number of discussion threads on this phrase has occurred this year compared to last year. Sadly we non-natives can't spot the clues!