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Pentition for advanced language courses

I've been thinking lately about how effective duolingo is with teaching conjugations and just any other words. I started thinking, why don't they make advanced courses? I know lots of people that have finished language courses would love to continue with duolingo. Maybe just start with the most common course, Spanish, and see how it goes. I myself would love to have a second Russian course just for difficult and uncommon words. I would love to hear what you guys think!

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/KierenMcCormack
KierenMcCormack
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The contributors to the trees over time will get the go ahead to create the 2.0 tree where they will be able to go more in depth with their languages. This is view able in the current German tree which is in its 2.0 stage. Other trees like Norwegian, Dutch, Irish, and a few others have also gotten this go ahead and are currently in production with their new trees.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/widle
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They can make longer trees that teach more vocabulary and therefore help you practice more. But there's only so much the Duolingo method can teach you - at some point, predefined translations stop being effective. With more complex sentences, the number of possible translations grows and it would be almost impossible to keep a list of them all (therefore the lessons could become frustrating). There are always some words/expressions/constructions that are hard to translate and you'd have to get creative - that's again something that doesn't go well with a predefined list.

Therefore, really "advanced" courses would have to be totally different. I don't think it's likely to happen, they have a lot on their hands as it is.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Shady_arc
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Yep, the truth of the matter is that Duolingo is not particularly well fit for teaching beyond the basics. Accounting for all possible translations would not be half as bad were it not for the impression of such teaching being not effective.

When it comes to words that are hard to translate OR distinguish from other words with a similar translation (aim-target-goal-objective-purpose, anyone?)—I am not convinced that even including every single reasonable translation would help a user understand the meaning and the use of cush word. For that, you need a general explanation of the word and then some examples of its use. Or, if you want "to learn like a child", a truly massive amount of input when the word is used in proper context and other words are used where this one is not appropriate (also, kids spend quite a while uttering sentences 2-3 word long).

For example, I would not invest in a Russian course more than 2800-3000 "words" long given the current structure and set of exercises. The lacunas are already quite apparent, and we are not even talking intermediate here.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/iwc2ufan
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This is very true. I am near the end of my German and Dutch trees and the sentences did grow in complexity in such a way that things like timed practices became very difficult or there are a few Dutch lessons where you just have to memorize what Duo accepts even though they are weird in English because the sentences are just too complex for the format.

The Spanish and Portuguese trees also had some of this issue. Even being quite fluent in both in that I learned them years before this site was a place, I would sometimes get things at the end of the trees wrong that I knew perfectly well were fine translations because the level of complexity was starting too be too much for them too.

Basically, I agree with you, widle, and I think that if someone wants something more advanced, they just need to move on to other formats. This is a great format for getting started or for a big review of the basics, but not for more advanced things.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CharmingTiger
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Great idea! I personally would love to see more vocabulary words added to the Spanish tree. The reverse tree already got a small update, so let's keep 'em coming!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Klgregonis
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I'd like more practice with some of the more complicated, but common forms (such as subjunctive for Spanish and Portuguese), but really learning more advanced vocabulary, and/or additional meanings for the vocabulary we already have, is best done through other means - lots of reading in the target language, listening to talk radio or television, or if you can, finding people to talk to.

(By the way - I found that doing Portuguese through Spanish gave me some of the advanced practice I wanted - the lessons become more complicated sooner, I think because the languages are more alike, and they can do it fairly easily)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kat747299

please level up duolingo. You are the best

1 year ago