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All pronouns ... Nominative, Accusative, Dative and Genitive? still challenge for me!!!

Please help me confirming the below table, am I right? thanks in advance

English Nominative Accusative Dative Genitive ======= ========== ========== ====== ========

I ich mich mer ???

You du dich dir ???

He er ihn ihm ???

She sie sie ihr ???

It er es ihm ???

We wir uns uns ???

You ihr euch euch ???

They sie sie ihnen ???

English Nominative Accusative Dative Genitive ======= ========== ========== ====== ========

male ein einen einem eines

neutral ein ein einem eines

female eine eine einer einer

plural eine/keine eine/keine einer/keiner einer/keinen

English Nominative Accusative Dative Genitive ======= ========== ========== ====== ========

male der den dem des

neutral das das dem des

female die die der der

plural die die den der

January 12, 2016

8 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/TrioLinguist

The basic rule is that you use the possessive pronoun, and if it doesn't already end in -er, you add one. So:

  • ich / mich / mir / meiner
  • wir / uns / uns / unser

Keep in mind that the genitive pronouns have been in decline for a long time due to the loss of the genitive object. They are for the most part only applicable with verbs nowadays, and there aren't many genitive verbs, plus they're all pretty formal:

  • erbarme dich meiner - have mercy upon me
  • ich werde ihrer gedenken - I will commemorate her/them
  • er nimmt sich unser an - he looks after us

In the case of genitive adjectives, it is usual to rephrase or replace, except in very formal language, or else you may sound somewhat pedantic:

  • ich bin deiner überdrüssig - I am weary of you
  • sie ist seiner nicht würdig - she is not worthy of him
  • die Kinder sind euer bedürftig - the children are in need of you

Similarly, with prepositions, it is usual to rephrase or replace:

  • einschließlich meiner - including me
  • statt seiner* - instead of him
  • wegen unser** - because of us

*still common in formal writing.

**use "unsertwegen" formally and "wegen uns" colloquially.

In all honesty, you don't need to know the genitive pronouns unless you're into reading historic or otherwise fancy texts, they have become rare and will (regrettably) be completely gone from the modern language sooner than later anyway. After looking up "gedenke meiner" on YouTube just for the sake of doing it, I only got two relevant results, and they're both religious songs (which says a lot about its archaicity):

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Olbapz

How long have you been studying German? I was just going to say, that I found German to get real easy once I started reading and listening a ton. This is really true of any language, but the study of German especially in school comes at you with the case charts, but it doesn't really give you a palatable way to digest the information as it applies in real life. As you get used to German it will feel as stable and secure as a solid concrete foundation. That is it's strength, it's a very consistent and dependable language. Sure it changes as many languages do, but it really isn't as daunting as the grammar rules may make you feel. German grammar is not always rational, but it's consistent...and those Germans and their rules. So for that reason, I just encourage you to keep chewing on that hard nut. It will crack at some point. Reading helped to add context and meaning to those rules. Reading also helped me to appreciate as to why the case system is even being used in different situations, apart from simply being some arbitrary rule....the system actually does help indicate differences in meaning and is a useful function of the language.

EDIT: Wow I needed coffee when I wrote this at first, I apologize it came off funny the first time.

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/smahmoud_zone

Thanks for the advise, I just started 4 weeks back, so just a junior in German :)

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/akka13722

Here's some advice: try to get the basics of dative and accusative down now. Especially determining when you use them. You will run into a lot of trouble later otherwise. Genitive case pronouns as a previous commenter said are on the decline, and using the Genitive case usually isn't terribly difficult if you know how to use it.

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/rumnraisin

You have one or two little errors, such as where you have written It er es ihm - for the table, the er should also have been an es (although certainly an it can be an er because objects do have grammatical gender).

Easiest, for both of us, is for me to give links to the tables you need:

The pronouns can be found here: http://german.about.com/library/blcase_sum2.htm

The articles can be found here: http://german.about.com/library/blcase_sum.htm

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/revengedoctor21

http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html honestly I just do these grammar worksheets, and use Duo and have a grammar book

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo

Genitive pronouns are pretty rare, because there are so few prepositions and even fewer verbs that take a genitive object. I think you can ignore them until at least C1 level.

About the only reasonably common usecase would be the preposition wegen, but for that, most people use either special single-word forms meinetwegen, deinetwegen, seinetwegen, ihretwegen, unseretwegen, euretwegen, ihretwegen or the dative wegen mir, etc. (though some more conservative speakers will shudder at that option).

January 12, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/smahmoud_zone

This link is great http://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar.html But still Dative & Genitive are really challenges for me :(

January 13, 2016
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