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https://www.duolingo.com/dagnis

Slow down the timed practice for longer sentences, please

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Shouldn't the time given for each question on the "timed practice" exercise be somehow relative to the size of the sentence you have to write?

The further down the learning tree we get, the longer the sentences seem to become and I have started to feel that I no longer practice my Italian skills but rather my speed writing skills when I am taking the "timed practice" test. Which I loved by the way up until now. But now it is just a mess of trying to hit the right keys at maximum speed which can sometimes be done but is sort of stressful.

Sometimes when you are lucky enough to start with 3-4 quickly answerable questions (like the drop-down menu or checklist ones) you get yourself some time handicap to finish the rest of the lesson, but that's just pure luck. In other cases you get 4 long sentences in a row and even to carefully read them takes time (to notice all the plurals and genders that you could accidentally miss).

This said, I would normally consider myself to be a fast typist, typing up to 9 [correct] keys per second.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Currently, they give you 7 extra seconds for a correct answer if the sentence is short and 10 seconds if it is long. In many cases it is not enough, though, and of course it is very frustrating to get a long sentence when you have 3 or 5 seconds left - you just don't get a chance to gain more time by giving the correct answer.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dagnis
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Interesting to hear. I was suspecting that it worked in such a way but could never be sure. In that case it should obviously be done the other way around -- you should get a longer period of time before you start writing a long sentence and get 7 or 10 seconds after that depending on the length of your next question.

Otherwise you're are creating an unnatural rhythm for the practice -- to little time and too much hurry for the long sentences, and too much time/too relaxed for the short ones.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/arekolek
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This is brilliant in its simplicity and should be pretty effective.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jonathan--
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Ditto. I've taken to sometimes skipping the really long sentences. I've finished the Spanish tree, and I'm finding that timed practice really tests my typing skills as much as my Spanish knowledge. It could use some tweaking.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dirkgently31

I like timed practice for the guaranteed points but due to a faulty keyboard and long sentences, I rarely use it unless I desperately need a couple points for the day. I accept that half of this problem (the keyboard) is mine but it would be cool to have a more zen relaxed option in place of Time/3 heart style. Perhaps an endless mode with 1/3 point awarded for each correct answer.

As an aside, I like the efforts being put in to make immersion a better experience.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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It does get easier with practice. The most frustrating thing though, is when you get one teensy little thing wrong and you feel so satisfied you were so close and yet so disappointed you have no time left for the next question.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CadetheBruce
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Not only am I an aging language learner, I am not a fast typist (and I have dysgraphia that impedes my typing skills, so, no, it doesn't necessariluy get easier with practice for me). I just use the timed practice now to keep my streak when I don't have very much time to do a lot. I'll skip the long sentences and just do short ones or the multiple choice. If we had more time than 30 seconds I'd probably get more out of it. But I'm at that stage where I get a lot of long sentences so I skip over a lot. Maybe if it let you chose a shorter and a longer time. That way the younger people who can type fast can be happy and the rest of us can get more out of the timed practice ourselves.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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I don't mean to be contrary, but it does get easier with practice. Perhaps you will still be slowed down by typing, but recognition of sentences and their structure gets easier the more you do them. I'd really recommend not skipping them, even if it is more frustrating, or, if typing speed really is such a hindrance, sticking to the non-timed practice mode.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dagnis
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Of course it gets easier with time, because in time you learn the sentences word by word and just type them from your memory instead of actually reading and translating them. That is exactly something that I am trying to avoid (i.e., by taking separate theme tests each time and trying to make them in first/second attempt). What I think the speed typing tests are for, is to test if you are able to quickly read the language you are learning and understand it as you read it. If you just memorize the answer without reading and eventually forget what grammar rules build up the sentence, that seems to me to be quite pointless, isn't it?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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No, part of learning is memorisation of certain phrases. You still need to be able to understand the phrases and be able to put them together yourself. But learning by rote has its place.

And I wasn't actually talking about that. I was talking about the recognition of words and sentence structures. That speeds up with practice, too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dirkgently31

Haha, I'm younger and type 80+ wpm but I am the exact same. I only use it when I need to extend a streak.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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80+ wpm in English, maybe. That will be a lot slower in your target language, for instance French, because you're not as used to it.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dirkgently31

I'm used to the French keyboard on my phone and my laptop's keyboard is always the same. So, the typing speed doesn't change. Translation does consume time but then it is still directly related to the length of a sentence and the number of clauses included.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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I meant due to the words you're typing, rather than the keyboard you are typing on. Your hands are much more accustomed to creating English words and putting together letters from an English vocabulary.

Obviously this doesn't apply if you've been typing in French for many years.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wejrowski

YES, I'm doing German and 2/3rds down the tree.. timed practice is almost impractical. I usually get 0-2 before the timer goes up, it's just frustrating!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akeean

Still holds up. The timer is too slow. Also the timer should be PAUSED in the screen that tells you if you answered right or wrong, so you can take a look at what you actually answered. At the moment is keeps ticking. STUPID! (I get it that there are javascript-addons to add a pause button, but this one needs to be pressed for a review, costing valuable seconds) :-(

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jaybirdcrow

I agree. It's aggravating to be given long sentences from the start (esp. for the speaking exercises) and to watch the clock tick down as you wait for it to grade your reply. I also hate how you have to sit and wait for it to finish speaking those long sentences before you can answer when you could save time and just click and read it yourself. I've tried talking over DL's voice on those but it ends up confusing it, gets counted incorrect, and you lose even more time doing it over.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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It has gotten better in the last year :-). It still needs to pause between questions though.

3 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/akeean

Still an issue. And pause the clock after submitting an answer for god sake! I want to have time to read what I did wrong&read the suggestions! Otherwise we need a summary of all passed&failed bits once you run out of time.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jaybirdcrow

Click on the button marked 'Review lesson' on the bottom left when you get to the final screen where it tells you Time's up and how many you got right/XP points, etc... That then brings up a Scorecard and you can review the ones you missed.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Druckles
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In a limited way. It doesn't let you view the discussion, report a question or view any other suggestions for answers.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kweatherwalks

It's still an issue for me as well, one year later. Get a long sentence and not nearly enough time to parse it, translate and then type it.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bns44
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Srsly. I tried to refresh some of my german knowledge and it was impossible to do all: 1) listen the sentence 2) read the sentece 3) find the answer 4) write the answer. I usually omitted the reading which made me really frustrated, because I'm loosing a big part of learning. And when I have the wrong answer, there is no time to read the correct one...

11 months ago