https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne

My Dutch level is displaying inaccurately

In the discussion boards, my Dutch level displays as 16 rather than 19, which is my actual level. (As of this post, it's displaying accurately, but it always goes back to 16)

January 17, 2016

36 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

The Dutch one is notoriously unreliable. I think my other ones are always correct, and the Dutch one keeps changing although I havent't touched the course for a while.

I guess it'sa bug than would take a lot more work to fix than is actually worth spending on it.

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

I guess it'sa bug than would take a lot more work to fix than is actually worth spending on it.

Displaying a number correctly that's already in the system surely is something you definitely need years to fix :) Sorry for the sarcasm, but this thing is really annoying and should be a trivial fix, and people are complaining about it since the Dutch course went into beta, and the contributors have asked repeatedly for a fix, and… Why not just fix it?

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

Why not just fix it?

In my day job, we have a problem with country lists, from which users (thousands of them) should pick a country, changing the default from "Choose" to "Afghanistan" whenever we change anything else in the code... Even now that we are aware of this, it's a nightmare to try to keep track of and remember to fix in every single list every single time we make a tiny change. And this is our own code -- we have other, externally produced, code that behaves even worse.

So sometimes you fix something, and then it gets unfixed again. Of all the things I'd like Duolingo to fix, even spending a little time looking into this is probably lowest on my list. After all, the levels are just Duo-fluff, they mean nothing. In contrast, a better font would actually help learners distinguish accents better, some kind of email verification might make the discussion board a much better place, and you know, having Finnish on here would actually save the world. :-p

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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In contrast, a better font would actually help learners distinguish accents better, [...], and you know, having Finnish on here would actually save the world. :-p

Yes to both. :)

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January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Moomingirl

Lingots because the world needs saving. ;)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

Since the initial fix has yet to happen I guess we're not in such a fix-unfix cycle here :) Full agreement on fonts, email verification and Finnish.

[We probably shouldn't overdo the Finnish campaign, though. I start fearing that someone will eventually mistake the Finnish opening day for the Final Judgement day and send the four riders along with the first lesson :)]

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

Do you think the four riders would be riding any of these Finnish horses?

(Sorry, can't stop it once I'm in campaign mode...)

The sad truth is that fonts, email verification, and Finnish were just things I came up with off the top of my head... There's plenty to fix, unfix, and refix. And the order one can do the skills in each row probably isn't one of them...

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

Some of them look rather apocalyptic, don't you think? I'd have zero problems adding the next 20 items to your list, but I guess we should just leave it at this. I do believe you that fonts and email verification were random picks. As to Finnish, I'm not entirely convinced :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/widle

On the other hand, the fixed order of the skills in each row could simplify some incubator tasks (both for the sofware and the creators). That's probably the reason why they're testing it, although I'm only guessing here - no one has said anything about it.

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

I'm not at all bothered about it, but I agree it should be trivial to give a single level figure instead of -in my case- up to three different levels for some languages from within the English platform alone! :-D

I'll just take my pick:

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

Oh boy, I didn't even know it was that bad :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

It's not bad, simply "interesting" :-D

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

OK, let's call it interesting. Maybe I'm just too attached to the idea of consistency :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

A consistent result for the levels in the forums discussion posts would be to simply add up the points for each language over all base platforms, but I guess that would be much too easy! :-D

[edit: don't get me started on consistent timekeeping: apparently I posted this 34 minutes BEFORE your last reply to my comment (23 minutes ago)!]

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/wataya

would be to simply add up the points for each language over all base platforms

Hmm, probably that's what the grand total of points in your leaderboard was supposed to look like. Unfortunately, my grand total that is shown to other users differs by a modest ~200k from the one shown to myself :) (At least this was still the case the last time I checked).

Of course, we have plenty of numbers to choose from, so it might be considered a feature :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/tu.8zPhLD72zzoZN

This seems to especially happen to people who are learning languages from more than one base language. The languages that you are learning from the current base language should appear correctly, but the languages that you are learning from other base languages may not appear correctly until you are in the base language that you are learning them from. Learning the reverse trees seems to further skew the numbers.

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

From what I see, the languages you have only learned from a single base language always appear correctly even when you are in other base languages -apart from Dutch, which only appears when it feels like it ! :-p The languages learned from several base languages show a level calculated from some sum or other, I guess depending on which base language you're currently in and whether the sum includes points earned before or after the base structure split that took place a year or two ago. Whether any of these levels equal the level in your base language (the ones you see in your profile) or not, is another of duo's mysteries. :-)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

Maybe Duo's just not that convinced about our Dutch skills? :-)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
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Yes, true. If you learn a language from different languages, it shows either randomly chosen or weird numbers.

In my case:

  • Spanish: 25 or 12 — Spanish from English (25) or Spanish from German (12; last one I finished)
  • French: 13 or 16 — French from English (13), French from Spanish (12)

Edit: I think, when Spanish shows 25, French shows 13 (correctly) and vice versa. :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

It gets better: my English occasionally showed 25 until I reset my English from Polish yesterday. Now it shows either 18 or 10 (I'm currently level 9 in English from Polish)! :-p

"randomly chosen" = "somehow (mis)calculated" :-D

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/raans
  • 2104

Haha! Yet another great mystery... :)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

At least it's showing... My Dutch level only rarely shows up in the discussion boards at all! :-)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

Murphy's law... Looks like Duo's fixed it?! :-p

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

I deleted my previous comment as the Dutch flag was back... a minute later it had indeed vanished again, so here goes: “Err nope... back to "normal" :-D (together with many of the other languages showing their "alternative" levels)”

Yep.. it seems to show only straight after posting a comment :-D

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

You and the OP are stretching the limits of poor Duo's memory with your performance. With us mere mortals, only one flag or so goes wonky. :-p

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Knoxienne

That's probably true! I hope they don't make us delete some of our languages. Maybe I can transfer them to another account if that happens. :/

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

As the Flemish say, whenever they've experienced something pleasant: Dat kunnen ze ons niet meer afpakken. Your skills are yours, whether golden on a website or not.

They'll just keep adding languages until they break you! :-p

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

My Spanish and Italian for example show up to three different levels :-D

If only they'd listen to our Duo-Messiahs and their simple fixes ! ;-p

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/KierenMcCormack

The same thing happens with my Portuguese tree. It shows level 23 almost all the time, but when I post/comment on something, it briefly shows my actual level of 25

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill

Me too! I'm actually at level 11 in Portuguese but sometimes it shows level 13 ;)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/duonks
  • 1915

have you done Portuguese from both English and Spanish, perhaps? :-)

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill

Yep! Well, I only use it from English but I did it once from Spanish too, so yes, that could be it.

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill

The thing is I'm actually at level 11 while doing it from English and at level 9 from Spanish. Instead, whenever I comment at first it shows that I'm at level 11 but a bit later it shows level 13.

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a

There's a tiny bit of logic to that: I can see from your profile that you have scored 3,872 XP in Portuguese from English, which would indeed place you at level 11. If you have then scored anything between 1,651 and 2,250 XP in Portuguese from Spanish (= level 9), the grand total adds up to something between 5,523 and 6,122, and most of this range would put you at level 13.

Dutch, on the other hand, can only be learned from English... :-S

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill

Oh, that explains it. Thank you! I actually only did the Portuguese course for Spanish speakers to do the shortcut and see how far up (or down) the tree I'd go : anyway, thanks!

January 17, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill

Instead in Italian, in which I'm at level 9 from English, it shows level 8 (normally). That doesn't make sense. I've also done some from Spanish but from what you've said I should be at a higher level, not a lower one.

January 17, 2016
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