A native speaker tells me that this idiom means something different than "where there is smoke, there is fire. This idiom translates more closely to a warning "where you make fire, smoke goes out" meaning if you make trouble, people are going to notice.
He says "Donde humo, fuego" is a common saying and means exactly "where there is smoke, there is fire".
If I didn't know the idiom "where there's smoke, there's fire", I would've had a hard time translating this. The same goes for most of the other idioms.
Note the self-reflexive "se" and the words on hover (specifically comes out for sale), I think the closest literal translation that is sensical would be "Where fire is made, smoke comes out." Now, it seems to me that "comes out" means appears, like as in "He comes out of the room." I don't think that "goes out" and "comes out" would mean the same thing in this context.
Moreover, if trouble, or fire was made, then it would make more sense for people to notice it smoke showed with it, rather than it going out. So it seems to me that the meaning of "Donde fuego se hace, humo sale." does indeed make more sense if it means the same thing as "Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Or just - where is fire, smoke comes out, or - there's no smoke without fire, also Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Can you tell me what it means? I just bought this lesson from the lingot store.
The idiomatic meaning of "where there's smoke, there's fire", which I think is the same in meaning to "donde fuego se hace, humo sale" is that where there is some sign of an event occuring, then the event has probably occurred.
True, beeohdee. You might say it has nothing at all to do with actual smoke and fire.
Hola, hay un dicho en Perú, algo distinto a lo que significa este refrán, "donde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan" lo usamos mayormente en el caso de relaciones amorosas, algo así como que siempre puede llegar a pasar algo con la persona con la que tuviste una relación sentimental.
Dulling lists it as where there's smoke, there's fire. But if you read the thread, it's a bit different of an idiom...
I searched google for definition and it said "there's always some reason for a rumor." for "where there's smoke, there's fire"
Well, Google Translate doesn't take expressions and idioms very well. It always does the literal translation.
A broader definition would be, "if it looks like something happened, it probably happened". Example: "I found empty beer bottles in the trash again. I can't prove David is drinking, but where there's smoke, there's fire!"
Blubbering, i did the translation, and it spat out there's always some reason for a rumor.
Great comment! I found the translation of these idioms muy dificil.
I am familiar with the English language idiom, "Where there's smoke, there's fire," which I think means: "an accurate extrapolation may often be made from a few known facts." Anyway, I figured that that was the correct translation for this one. That said, I decided to play around with it and came up with this translation: "Where fire is, smoke follows." I was crushed when Duo said it was wrong. ;o)
Same for me. I saw smoke and fire and assumed that the English idiom was the correct translation (and, according to duolingo, it was). Thanks for giving the literal translation and the proper Spanish.
We have a lebanese idom that says : there is no smoke without fire , it means something like there is no rumor without a source
If this phrase works in the way you are saying, which is a pretty close to literal translation, and makes sense as a phrase itself, as you explained, then duolingo should not count "where's there's smoke, there's fire" as tht phrase has a meaning more along the lines of seeing and knowing the warning signs of a bigger problem, externally not personally.
If only words should be taken literally! Imagine if they where!
Learning a language: meaning IS most important first as being
understood is everything, grammar and semantics will follow . . .
Where the fire makes itself, the smoke goes. It means the same thing in both languages. According to my wife, in Venezuela they also say, "Where there is fire, there is ash.
Thank you, sale means leave...I know it's an idiom but it seemed off. You made sense.
"leave" is not the only translation of "salir"; the other meaning is "originate": http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=salir
Does it matter what order? I wrote where there's fire there is smoke and i was right but it said were there's smoke there's fire.
Literal translation seems to be along the lines of 'where fire is made, smoke exits.' Interesting.
weird, since in meaning it is the same, but in actual words, it is the opposite. I would love to know the story behind this expression!
Imagine a house. You can't see the fire, but the evidence is the smoke leaving the chimney.
I believe that this is like when you make fire, i.e. for barbecue or a campfire, in the beginning there's much smoke and little fire. But when the fire breaks out, almost no smoke remains. So it doesn't look like meaning of Spanish proverb exactly matches the proposed English one.
It is not the opposite, since "salir" also means "come from, originate, etc." : http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=salir
'where fire is made, smoke leaves' was graded as incorrect. It said that 'leaves' should have been 'comes out'. It seems to me that 'leaves' should be accepted too, but after thinking about it 'comes out' does seem better.
No. It's 'Where there's smoke, there's fire.' That's the thing about idioms, you can't change a single word or they sound weird.
It seems better to learn the literal translation first, then pair it up with a similar idiom in your native language to help understand its meaning. But if you skip the first step you miss out on learning to think in the new language.
That's what I think. Plus, once I've figured out the words, I can almost always understand the idiomatic meaning. Almost.
idioms change a lot from region to region, so what is true for me is not necessarily true for other english speakers, even in my country.
Actually, I have heard the idiom expressed almost exactly as MaDhyan expressed it. I got dinged for leaving out the comma, the first time ever that Duo has paid attention to punction in my experience.
They should add "no smoke without fire" and "no fire without smoke" as valid answers. To me both mean the same.
There are a lot of similar idioms in different languages (even those that don't belong to the same group, as we see)..... What does this tell you? The human society used to be small; then it spread all over the Earth, but it is still so inter-connected.....
This sounds like the phrase, "If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck..."
Wondering which Spanish speaking countries this phrase is used.
I know it's technically a word off, but "WHEN there's smoke, there's fire" is the one I grew up hearing, and it means basically the same thing.
I got it wrong the first time for exactly that reason. It's the one I say too. It's not like all the other Spanish idioms in this lesson (except that weird devil one) were translated literally. They should include the "when" version as well.
Does anyone else find it weird that "fuego" can mean both fire and cold sore? I mean, what's the connection? Then again, is there any connection in English?
A cold sore in French is "feu sauvage", literally a wild fire, or a fire not set intentionally. If both Spanish and French have this definition, it must come from Latin.
It's not weird at all. One of their symptoms is a burning sensation. Some people develop fever too. It seems like a pretty simple connection.
I am Spanish and I had never heard about it... In fact, the proper translation for 'Where there's smoke, there's a fire' (from my honest opinion :D) would be 'Cuando el río suena, agua lleva', but I don't know if this one is used in Latin America.
Que interesante, Sergio, que no se usa 'fuego' sino 'agua'. Though from what I can tell, DL isn't teaching Latin American Spanish anyway so I wouldn't know (and my university Spanish classes do not cover idioms very often).
Well, the sense is the same, I think they would understand you if you used the literal translation
I have always heard "Where there is smoke there MAY be fire" I guess the way I heard it is a little less judgmental, Smoke does not always mean fire. You should investigate and find out. I have had lots of smoke coming out of my oven, but there wasn't a fire in it. ( :
In Arabic we have an idiom similar to this one: "لا دخان بلا نار" which literally means: "No smoke without fire" :)
"donde fuego se hace humo sale" is a mistake "donde hubo fuego cenizas quedan" is correct i am native spanish speaker
The literal translation of your phrase seems to be "where there was fire ashes remain". I am not a native speaker, so pardon me if I'm wrong.
Nope. Donde only needs the accent in a question, e.g. "Dónde es la casa?"
For anyone who wants to know. In Dutch it's pretty much the same as in English 'Waar rook is, is vuur' :)
"Donde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan" (same idiom but in Mexico) "Where there was a fire, ashes are left" Used in the context of someone who says to be over somebody (love-wise) but they are still thinking of that person.
Yes but in English "where there's smoke, there's fire" means that if it seems like something is true, it probably is....it's meant in an accusatory way often times.
jonas.cortes1 Gracias - I'd never heard that Spanish expression but it fits well with the 'lost love' idea.
I really think "Where there's a fire there is smoke" should be accepted....
I agree, but...it's said 'a fire' in the translation: "Where there's smoke, there's a fire", which is why i used it ;).
Aquí, en Brazil, se dice: Donde ha fumo, ha fuego. "Onde há fumaça, há fogo."
It is same with "Ateş olmayan yerden duman çıkmaz " in Turkish. It is used for when there is a gossip about someone /something but you are not sure, then u use this idiom. Means "if he isn't guilty then what are those gossips for ?"
I was trying to translate word for word. D'oh! Turns out I am not very good a idioms :(
One translation could be "where fire has been, smoke leaves" as the use of "since" can also be interpreted as "has been".
When you go through it word for word, it says "Were fire makes, smoke plays a joke on"
Donde fuego se hace, humo sale The "se" makes it that reflexive passive construction that drove me nuts for months. Se hace = is made. I translated "sale" as exits. I don't see joke. Can you explain?
Guys, the Idioms section is all getting on my nerves. I'm Romanian, but I've been studying and using English for 14 years, so here I am, complaining that I can't translate almost word-for-word an idiom from Spanish to English, given that my translation makes sense. I have to say that I installed the Duolingo app only for the conjunction lessons, since it is my only problem. This idiom would translate better to "Where there is a flame, smoke comes out", which is what we have in Romanian too. You can not ask us to translate idioms from a latin language to a germanic language, since these origins have different sayings and idioms.
The Finnish and Swedish phrases have the identical "undercover" meanings as the Lebanese seems to have: "The rumour is bound to have at least a tiny element of truth." - Anyway, it seems to me it seems as though the language structure itself can lead to a language-specific surface form, without any meant special semantical connotation.
the narrator says, there is a typo when i type“Where there's smoke, there's fire.”& "Another translation 'Where there's smoke there's a fire." It is confusing me help me please.
I am native, and it literally means, "Where fire happens, smoke is." Can i have a lingot????
I'm tired of Duolingo teaching their own version of Spanish lol. This is an inaccurate translation, period. Wrong.
Duolingo is so stupid. I put where there's fire, there's smoke. This thing said i was wrong. I'm using a better Spanish learning app. This is garbage
"Donde hay humo hay fuego" - "Where there is smoke, there is fire"...... Doulingo owl may have slipped slightly here but proverbs and idioms can have differents versions and all may be correct, but it may have easier to have learners a more direct version instead of a slightly convoluted one.
Where there's smoke, there's a fire., Where there's smoke, there's fire. That's the answer?! - Seriously?! - -Why?!-
I can't seem to view the help when u click on the words to hint the meaning. Can this be fixed in any way? :/
Had the same problem. I think it was just a glitch that fixed itself when I closed the site and re-opened it.
have you seen the picture of doge that is a lion with its mane blowing in the wind? it is a majestic lion with a doge face ;P
I answered "Where there's smoke, there's a fire"because I've heard the proverb spoken like that. Could soneone tell what is wrong with it.
Yes but we would normally say, in English, Where there's smoke, there's fire.
"Where there's smoke there's a flame" was not accepted. That's the only version of the English idiom I have heard. I've never heard "Where there's smoke there's a fire" :(
In western canada i've never heard anything other than "where there's smoke, there's fire." still didn't get the translation correct, since they were looking for the idiomatic equivalent rather than a direct translation.
Por el humo se sabe donde esta el fuego= (where there's smoke there's fire) =(sabes de algo por las señales que deja) There's no smoke without fire=(no hay fuego sin humo) =(toda acción tiene su reacción)
i would say "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs" but it's wrong according the duolingo :/
Different idiom. The smoke/fire one is about things likely to be what they seem. Omelette/eggs, in contrast, always meant to me that everything has a price, more like "no pain, no gain"
That means you sometimes can't avoid doing bad to do good. For example, building a noisy airport next to a residential area, causing the neighborhood to get woken up when a plane takes off at night.
Tell me this then why put other words there when all you have to do is put "Donde hay humo hay fuego"?
I wrote "no fire without smoke," and laughed at my own stupidity. It must be the other way around.
An actually is not even the rigth way to say it, the rigth expression will be "donde hubo fuego ceinzas quedan"
When i tapped on the words they werent even close to where theres a smoke theres a fire
When fire happens, smoke rises is wrong. I suppose that is a weird way of saying it.
I'm inclined to believe that this does not mean, "where there's smoke, there's fire." It seems to me to mean, where there is fire, smoke will be seen. ...meaning that bad deals will be discovered.
Where fire is made, smoke is left.
I just want to type that!! Lol, I also could use another translation, but I want the real deal too! Please, take it or leave it, DL!!
En realidad la frase que usamos en mi pais es "Donde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan"
Literal word for word translation Duolingo gave me was: "Where fire ago, smoke play a joke on! "
I wonder whether this is the same expression used in Colombia (cuando suena el rio piedras lleva ) If that is the case it would certainly enrich the idiom
No. En castellano el dicho es : Donde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan pero si lo traducimos de esa manera, ellos lo consideran error.
did anyone notice that the definition of "hace sale" it says "smoke plays a joke on," or "plays a joke on"
I typed the words it shows when you hover over the sentence and it gave me: "Where fire ago, smoke play a joke on!" It told me I was wrong.
We have a very similar one in Turkish, "Ateş olmayan yerden duman çıkmaz" Ateş=Fire and Duman=Smoke
it said to me, last word was plays a joke on you??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
So this is translated in korean like this "아니 땐 굴뚝에 연기나랴"(Ani ttaen guelttukae yeongu nara)
I put "where fire is made smoke is realeased" which is pretty much the same as the real answer but it puts it wrong :( >:( D:
Why does the sentence start with even though is translates the other way around?
Maybe is like when you see something little maybe the little hides something else bigger
The English saying would be "there's no smoke without fire", the version given is clumsy and not colloquial.
"Donde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan" es uno de las tantas formas mas comunes y generales que existen, por ejemplo en Latino America.
Lo interesante seria que Duolingo aceptara las diferentes sugerencias de los nativos del habla.
The way I understand "Where there's smoke, there's fire" is that if you have inklings of a problem, there's probably a reason. For example, if you have money missing from your wallet, someone in your home is probably stealing it from you.
it told me sale was a new word that meant to play a joke on? it screwed me up big time
look here its a good source !!
Is there a huge difference in meaning between "where there's smoke, there's fire" and "when there's smoke, there's fire?"
"Where fire becomes old, smoke plays a joke." is what i translated it to XD
I think the meaning of "where there's smoke, there's a fire" is more accurate to say "donde el río suena, agua lleva" which means that if you hear the river, then, there will be water. If you heard something about someone maybe something will be a lie but other things will be true, or if you have some evidences, then, you should think that there is something behind it.
"Donde fuego se hace, humo sale" is more like a warning, ir means that if you do something (wrong, probably) there will be evidences and people will know it.
Before ACTUALLY translating it, I thought it said "Donkey fire race! Homo sale!"
• Where there is fire, there is smoke. • Where there's smoke, there's a fire.
My answer was: "where there is a fire, there is smoke" and it was rejected because I put an "a" before fire. However in the next sentence there is an "a". Shouldn't my answer be accepted? Frustrating
I missed an a, it says i had a typo, then under alternate translation there's the same translation :v
Accidentally deleted my last post. I got the question right but it said i was wrong because there were spaces between the word there and 's. The thing is... those were the options given to me. It's not like i had the option to write them myself, i just picked from the group of jumbled words.
Give me a break! I left out the commas for heavens sake. Thays hardly a wrong word.
I just bought these idioms out of curiosity and one word. WRONG. All wrong!
what i got out of it is "where fire makes smkee play a joke on" but this is new, and i DONT get it
I put "where there's fire, there's smoke" & it says it's wrong. Even tho it translates exactly to "Where a fire is made, smoke comes out".
It tried to tell me that the correct answer is "where there's smoke, there's fire".
The first half of the sentence clearly says "Where there is fire..." Second half says "smoke comes out"
This one should be flagged.
In Indonesian, the idiom means there's an action (someone does) behind the problems
I translated "where theres a fire, theres smoke". Isnt it just the same with "theres smoke, theres fire". However, i wasnt accepted
All explanations are very interesting, and one thing with idioms is certain: You can't translate it word-to-word and always many possibilities are correct. That's why we love it so much:)
In Slovak we use "bez vetra sa ani lístok na strome nepohne" something like Not even a small leaf on a tree will move if there's no wind. ( if you see a movement, there's probably something that causes it, although you can't see it-the wind).
I didn't find the translation into Spanish with the fire (nor the wind) in it but I found these: Lo que todos dicen o es o quiere ser. Cuando el río/el arroyo suena, agua lleva. Algo tendrá la agua cuando la bendicen.
It would be great if a native Spanish speaker commented on these.
on the hover dictionary it said where fire ago smoke plays a joke however It actually means where there is smoke there is fire .
Duo "said" something about an extra space in my entry, which was, "where there's smoke there's fire." Then it suggested the correct answer is, "where there's smoke there's a fire." Personally, I've never heard any American add the "a" before "fire." I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just asserting my phrasing is more correct. Either way, what the heck do they mean by an extra space? It's impossible to put in a space using the app when my only word choices are presented in a fixed list.
donde being where, I don't see how it could be translated other than where there is fire, for the first part. I read the first few comments and think donde humo is better for the english idiom. anyway i'd rather learn Spanish sayings than English ones!
The idiom made no sense when I translated "humo salle" in the sense that smoke leaves or disappears. Made more sense when I visualized smoke leaving a door or a chimney. I find "where there's smoke, there's fire to a natural translation of this IDIOM
I'm repeating all these idioms, but I'm not properly learning them at all!
Here is a list of literal translations, all of which I think are correct (but I'd love to learn otherwise if not), but are not accepted by DL (as of Aug 2017):
Where fire is made, smoke rises
Where fire is made, smoke arises
Where fire is made, smoke appears
Where fire is made, smoke emerges
I wrote "when fire is made, smoke comes out" but duo corrected me to "where..." Even though when I clicked on donde it gave me both answers.
going over to keep up on Remembering Spanish but after asking to type what is heard, both translation and correct words are both in English
In the direct translation, must "se hace" be interpreted via the passive se? Why not the impersonal se "Where one makes fire, smoke comes out"?
I commented where there's smoke, there's fire. It says it should be where there's smoke, there's IS fire. Yeah right!
This is actually where you make fire smoke comes out. A different meaning when saying donde humo fuego.. Hmm
The correct phrase in Argentina is "Dónde hubo fuego, cenizas quedan"
I types "where there is fire there is smoke" and got it right. Im glad i read the comments lol
This idiom made me think "If there is a will, there is a way", but it isn't right.
How would one say that in their language?
This truly does not make sense at all. i only got it right bc i have heard this before. In my opinion, English does not mix up the words like this.
Do I need to translate this idioms LITERALLY or not. I do not understand!!!
this" Donde fuego se hace, humo sale"this sentance said it was the correct solution but they said it is wrong
I think i speak for a lot of us(especially us british) when i say:WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS EVEN MEAN
How do you know when to switch the words. Its confusing to me.can anybody explain the when and how?
In this case they are switched just because it is a typical expression, it doesn't have any other reason, so don't worry ;)
That one was pretty tricky because you had to translate and switch the words around
I wrote the EXACT same thing as the answer and it said I was wrong. Also the sentence doesn't make any sense
this is so frustrating, i am typing in exactly what the correct answer wants my to type in, and yet it keeps on saying that it is wrong! PLEASE HELP ME
It was marked wrong when I didn't put "a" before fire. I don't think the idiom in English has the article.
I believe this matter in which there is a grammatical mistake. When Duolingo gave me this sentence, it says, "When fire ago, smoke play a joke on. It just doesn't make sense at all!
this makes no freaking sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what does 'play a joke on' have to do with anything?!?!?!?!?
My same question! I just didn't get it. I had to do the question over and over and OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVEEEERRRRR again (over a million times) !!! so annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I typed "where there is smoke there is fire" and I was right!!! Yay!!! So if ppl [that read this comment] like typing short amounts of sentences, type that. I am quite sure it is right. It means the same thing.
Read from the top of the discussion, I think it covers your question. The most important thing with much of duolingo is that idioms are translated to the closest American (as opposed to English) idiom, not an actual translation.
While I know the idiom in English, I can say that where there is smoke, there is not always fire. There may have been fire, there may be fire, there may never be a spark to make the fire, and you could still ha e smoke, as with incense or cigarettes. There is an incindiary burning but no "fire", contrary where there is fire, there is smoke. Fire cannot exist without smoke, yet smoke can exist without fire. I put where there's fire, there's smoke, despite knowing the English version is said reversed, and got it right. And it does seem to mean essentially the same in spanish and English, it's cautionary. If there is trouble (a fire), there will be evidence (smoke).