https://www.duolingo.com/Luis

The First Language Course has been Incubated. English from Russian is now available in beta!

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Today is a big day for Duolingo! The first language course made entirely by the Duolingo community through the Incubator is launching in beta: Learning English from Russian!

This is our gift for you today, but of course it comes mostly from our amazing Russian moderators who built this course: Roman Kuprov, Larisa Larionova, and Valery Tsyplenkov, with help from Sergey Abramov as a contributor. Thank you!

In all, it took them approximately 60 days to complete the course, which is even faster than how long it takes us to make courses ourselves!

As will be the plan with all Incubator courses, this course will first be available in beta on the website only. A few weeks later (after all the kinks are ironed out), it will be available on the apps. We have an app update for both Android and iPhone scheduled for the end of January. This is when we'll roll out the first 4 or so Incubator courses on our mobile apps.

Thank you all for your support. More gifts are coming in the next few days. :)

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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Thank you everyone for your support, your enthusiasm and sincere interest kept us motivated. Thank you the entire Duolingo team for giving us this opportunity. And of course, our new Russian Speaking learning - Добро Пожаловать! (while right now I expect that more English Speaking users will be learning Russian using our course in those first days, Welcome as well!)

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https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Hi Larisa, congratulations on releasing the course! Please check your stream and drop me a line, I'd like to send some corrections.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hgarrereyn

I would love to learn Russian. How easy is it to start an English to Russian course with all the translations you guys put in?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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We're told that it would be relatively easy, but we'll see.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dr.Manhattan95

I really appreciate all your hard work, Larisa!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/erdemss80
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Thanks for everything.. I am happy like a child))

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/checkm8
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Thanks to all of you Russian language wizards!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheGandalf
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Yeah, I really want to learn Russian on Duolingo.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Thank you comrade Larisa_L, I wonder if you still use those terms (if you ever did before). Anyway, I may finally learn through your course what one of my favorite characters (called Ivan) in one old game used to say. The fiend always spoke in Russian, and some people claim that he teases(or insults) the player while speaking in a normal tone. One of those exaggerated stereotypes probably. :)

Anyway, thank you for aiding in my quest to "take over the world", only 5 more languages to go. ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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ha-ha, comrade is not used any longer, only as a joke :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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I had a thought though, will the staff allow you guys to recommend immersion material? I mean I presume that probably none of the staff speaks Russian, so they wouldn't know if they are uploading junk, nutty or presumably mature content?

I hope you guys can raid some Primary schools and steal some grade 1 essays. It would be great practice for those of us ignorant in Russian. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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:))) I think that Luis and company have to trust us at this point.

About the Immersion. It is not even available yet in the Russian course. And when it will be, they will be translating from English into Russian, not the other way around.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Oh yes you are quite right, I guess that would only apply for the reverse courses. It may be tricky though, some future moderators might want to be naughty. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gorilla800lbs

Comrade is still used as a formal way of address in Russian military and police.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Kind of reminds me of some countries where everybody refers to each other as brother and sister, mama, aunties, and grannies. Even if there are no family ties at all.

In fact, it is a sign of great disrespect in some cases to address an older person without their due "title".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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I also don't like we have almost no decent formal ways of addressing unknown people. Mostly, we use words like "girl", "young man", "woman", "man" or "granny", or just say "excuse me" without any title.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Johnni0
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congrats!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeHornblower

Thank you for your hard work!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pnehls
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is the next step russian for english speakers? would love to start a new, very different language

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anachron

Welcome and good luck to all of our soon-to-be English speaking Russian friends and duolinguists!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hortense75

Congratulation, it's amazing how fast it has been achieved.

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https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Finally, I will learn some English! :D

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https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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Actualy, we do count on you. Some things we did there may seem weired at first, but try to do take a couple of lessons, and we'll be glad to get come feedback.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/juandenil
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'weird' - a good word for describing English spelling!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Indeed, and pronunciation too. My favorite example, is isle being pronounced as "ILE", and while ''lieutenant" is pronounced ''leftenant'', I wonder if he stood on the left-hand side of the tenant.

Worse is when it is the exact same word, e.g. "It is time to produce the produce".

To quote a line from an old toon, the English probably had "Ipkisiomaskosis" when they invented such nutty rules.

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https://www.duolingo.com/aquage
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Worse is colonel, pronounced kernel.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TimothyGeek

Americans pronounce "lieutenant" the wait it's spelled. :) Maybe we mispronounced it and then it caught on? Anyway, there's a recording of both versions here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lieutenant

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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I'm not a native speaker, and the first association that popped into my mind was lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump :-) His title definitely was not pronounced as "leftenant".

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https://www.duolingo.com/pcvchristine

'Leftenant' is brand new information to me. Even having watched several seasons of Downton Abbey, I've never heard that pronunciation before :P

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Arthurva
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You learn English, Olimo! - nonsense, your English is very good!

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https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Thanks Arthurva :-) I'm kidding, of course, but I will go through the skills and hopefully help to correct some mistakes.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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No cheating, do one lesson by one (just joking of course). I'm sure you'll finish it in one sitting of the placement test, and learn russian too. But I would encourage you to have fun and not take the placement test.

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Of course I won't take a placement test :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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In fact, now that I'm doing the lessons, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't score much on the placement test. The Russian team did their best in translating the existing English course, but they were not allowed to adapt it properly for the Russian speakers, so in most cases they had to trade translation accuracy for the ability to differentiate between articles or tenses. Without adaptation, learners would have to get used to some patterns and learn the accepted ways to translate sentences - and of course anyone would fail to do this right from the placement test. I hope these are temporary problems. The team definitely needs to give Incubator contributors more freedom; in fact, the more different a language is from English, the more space for adaptation is necessary.

4 years ago

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We were including many alternative translations as correct ones, so you would probably still pass the test :) If we don't accept a correct solution, report it, we'll be adding them, while so far, I haven't seen how that will work.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Yep, I'm losing hearts and reporting things :D

I hate Ё already. Never use it in real life >_<

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luis
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This will be fixed in the next couple of hours.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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And it accepted everything correctly when we were testing. It is some technical issue,which will be resolved soon. Don't even report those yet, because there is nothing on our side to fix.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeHornblower

Agree, Duolingo should drop the Ё, or at least make E correct as an alternative. Plenty of sources have adopted this convention, I believe

4 years ago

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@LukeHornblower: There is no need to drop it, but Е should be accepted for Ё.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeHornblower

Is it necessary to switch between keyboards, or is that embedded into the software already?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Nothing is embedded, you can use any input method you like. Adding the Russian keyboard layout and switching between the layouts is the best way, I believe.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NickM98
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I wonder something now that I read it. How is a Russian keyboard? I mean, how do you change between Latin characters and Russian ones?

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You enable Russian keyboard in Windows, and then you press Alt+Shift to switch back and forward.

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https://www.duolingo.com/idahosundevil
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https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Well, a picture is worth a thousand words. There are hundreds of ways to write even a 5 word sentence, so the team worked best with what they had, this is one of the drawbacks of translations rather than creating from scratch.

However, from my perspective I believe the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks, they now have a consistent repeatable process to create new languages courses, can validate this method, and improve upon it, or attempt to make one course from scratch and see the merits of that.

I would actually like seeing a course being created from scratch to see how it compares with a translated course. Of course there is also the researcher bias, which is unavoidable. So the fact that the team is bilingual is both a benefit and a drawback, they can never completely understand the difficulties of someone who only speaks one language, or designs a course solely in isolation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Celyia

I really wish there was something we could do to somehow reward or show our appreciation to Roman, Larisa, Valery, and Sergey.

Hey, thanks. Really.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dessamator
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Excellent, then I can prepare for tomorrow night. At which point, I can learn the top 5 languages, speak to more than 50% of the world's population, and then "try to take over the world". :)

Edit: I expected the mainstream languages to open up to external contributors this year, is this ever going to happen or will these languages always be curated by solely by the internal language experts?

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https://www.duolingo.com/.Eric.
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The pre-incubator languages are completed. If you see a bug just use "Report a problem".

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I'm aware of that, but I believe the specialists are overworked. On average there is one specialist per pre-incubator course, they could do with some help. Besides, they would not crowd-source language courses if it was so easy for them to create/correct content by themselves in a reasonable time-frame.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/charlotte_12

Great to see what the community can do. Thank you Roman, Larisa, , Valery and Sergey for doing a great job!

4 years ago

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How much of this involved translating the website generally to Russian? That is, how much less work will there be in creating French for Russian speakers, say? I presume also that a lot of the course material can be fairly easily converted for the Russian for English speakers course. I'm waiting for that one. :)

Thank you to the contributors!

4 years ago

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According to some contributors, localizing the interface(website language), was one of the last hurdles they had to do, more than 1000 words or sentences I believe. So the interface of the French for Russian speakers course will already be done. Much like how the Spanish for French interface is done already.

As for the creation of content for the reverse course, that will probably be a bit easier, since the sentences are already seeded. The real problem is tackling the different script, teaching the alphabet from day one, and structuring the course to teach cultural or language specific quirks too.

Overall, in my opinion it will be harder to design than this course was. Now is the time to bring all those PhD level volunteers into the fold. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex
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This is absolutely fantastic, especially because they have been so dedicated! Thank you so much for your hard work! And I know that this must be a very special day for you Luis. Now it is up to every user to make the course better. This is only the beginning and I am very looking forward to seeing the other languages hatching =)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkuprov

You get an upvote! And you get an upvote!

Everybody gets an upvote!!! :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TimDeets
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Great! Do you think there will be a Russian for English speakers version soon?

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https://www.duolingo.com/saschambaer
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Question: Does it teach the latin alphabet as well? I'm quite interested to know how Duolingo approaches different scripts.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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It does not. I don't know about other non-Latin language speakers, but Russians don't have any problems with using Latin script, so it is just not necessary.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ontalor
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FANTASTIC!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! СПАСИБО!! Did the first lesson, gonna start working through as fast as I can when I get home from work. And having studied Russian a decent amount before is helping a lot, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to try to start from scratch a do a backwards course. Thank you again!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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Guys, let me ask you for a while not to report any localization issues at all. We know about most of them, and there are reasons why we're not fixing them. Do the lessons, if you can, and report there. In terms of the Interface, we will groom it in the next few weeks, and then, when we think that it is great, we'll ask you to prove us wrong :)

Друзья, просьба, не сообщайте пока об ошибках в интерфейсе. Мы практически все их знаем, но пока не можем исправить. Мы причешем всё, что можем, в ближайшие несколько недель и потом попросим вас уже поискать то, что мы пропустили. Пока, мы хотим, чтобы вы начала пользоваться курсом и сообщали об ошибках, которые есть в уроках. Там тоже очень много работы.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BellaLibellula

Yay!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StanLanguages

Mолодцы!! :D Good Job Guys!!!

4 years ago

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This is great! I hope an online keyboard with russian characters will be included

4 years ago

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It doesn't, because the course is aimed at Russian speakers. So you'll have to install a Russian keyboard layout if you normally write with an non-Russian layout.. In this thread I posted a link that will walk you through the process: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1194142 This is the website: http://winrus.com/kbd_e.htm

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

OK. Now, I have one wish... Open the floodgates! I want the other languages! I speak English and I want to learn the others.

4 years ago

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Did you work all year for christmas?

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https://www.duolingo.com/kirlll
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This is awesome news, congrats! I will be trying me some russian before long! =)

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https://www.duolingo.com/buunny
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First the new skills and now a whole new course! :) Amazing!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ernestd

Just realized that making the English > Russian course will take them way longer since they will have to record all the sentences in Russian voices :(

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Duolingo uses text-to-speech.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ernestd

oh, good to know. The quality was good enough to fool me :)

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Only for languages where the text-to-speech engine exist, I suspect unpopular languages don't have it at all, and will pose a new challenge for the Duolingo staff.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hunspike
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They should do it anyway. I would not call Russian unpopular, neither Polish. Polish is especially needed to be in Duolingo!

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You misunderstood, I didn't mean to say Russian is unpopular (quite the opposite), I was talking about other languages. I meant something like isiXhosa, isiZulu, or possibly some random aboriginal language (like the dialects spoken by some tribes down under in Australia).

Also it is not an easy thing to just design a text-to-speech engine for some of these languages. Languages like isiZulu, Khoi-Khoi languages, and others, have clicks in some words, and are not as easy to replicate. That's what I meant with a challenge, it can be done, but it is not like just buying off the shelf software.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RKSMT
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Two questions.

Is this one of the six gifts?

And since at this point its pretty easy, when can we expect learning Russian from English?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Selcen_Ozturk
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Congratulation guys! Let's see which course is next ;)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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It's probably Dutch, they've completed most of their course so far.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Sophinez
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Spasiba and Snovem Godem! I am hoping my Russian memory is saying thank you and Merry Christmas!

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you're saying Thank you and Happy New Year! Which makes sense as the New Year will be sooner in Russia than Christmas.

4 years ago

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Bravo!!! Excellent. As an American who once spoke Russian quite well many years ago, I'd like to brush up on my skills. So I did the first lesson and noticed two things right away to keep in mind for an English->Russian incubation... (1) I have no idea how to type Cyrillic letters on my computer! (I got through the lesson by peeking & then copying the text.) This must be common knowledge for native Russian speakers, but not for me. Some technical advice included at the onset would be helpful. (2) I was surprised that it jumped right in with no Latin alphabet training. Is this assumed knowledge? That may be fine for the majority of Russian->English users, who are likely already familiar with the Latin alphabet, but I think it will be a struggle for English->Russian since most native English speakers probably know nothing of Cyrillic. Alphabet/pronunciation lessons should probably be at the very beginning. Btw, I'd be willing to help get English->Russian started!

4 years ago

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Latin alphabet is familiar to every Russian and is present in any OS or on any keyboard on the Russian market. Both Russian and English layouts are enabled in the OS by default, and keyboards have double labels with English and Russian letters.

For an English > Russian course, there should be an introduction to the Russian alphabet and text input methods, but for the current course it is not necessary. A dedicated discussion would do, I suppose, for those who use the course for the reverse purpose, i.e. to learn Russian.

As for reading/pronunciation, you know how Duolingo teaches it: by letting you read and listen at the same time.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nerdator
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If you're using Win7, you can do it through the 'Region and Language' utility (I think it was 'Regional and Language Settings' in older versions) > Keyboards and Languages > Change Keyboards. You can easily add Russian (or other languages) there.

And if you need to see the layout of the Cyrillic letters on your keyboard, look up 'Cyrillic stickers' on ebay -- it's just a couple of bucks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mst_1
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При выборе языка: Я хочу учить Английск (Я знаю Русск) =))

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

My completed French and German lessons were cancelled, when I tried this course

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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You have to switch between languages through settings. Did you try that? Your lessons should not be canceled, they are just not shown when you use another basic language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Oh, Thank You

I had several really scary minutes

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mollyglot
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That happened to me too! I was so scared!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ALoUSyUseRnaME
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Oh, haha, I tried doing that on level 2-3 or something so it wasn't so scary.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Гомер - дурак, короче

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Тире не ставится, если подлежащим является местоимение. Т.е. правильно: Я паук, попугайчик - маньяк, мы овощи.

http://orthographia.ru/punctum_uk.php?rid=46

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Почитал....

Пунктуацию больше не трогаю и о мнимых ошибках не сигналю, оказалось - моя пунктуация хромает на обе ноги

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

О, спасибо, буду знать

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EvheniyaZh

Шикарные примеры :)

4 years ago

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Пунктуация все равно при оценке предложений никак не учитывается. Мы не знатоки пунктуации тоже и где-то будут ошибки, это точно. А где-то будет правильно, но пользователи будут думать иначе. Так что не стоит заморачиваться никому на этот счет.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmineK
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is there a course otherwise, Russian from English for the people who can speak English and want to learn Russian?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Not yet, but such a course will be eventually made through Incubator, too.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/idahosundevil
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Has this been started? I'd be willing to help, although my Russian is very rusty. But with the resources I have and past training (1 year living in Moscow, B.A. in Russian) perhaps I could help with a lot of the "manual labor" of word translation I assume exists in first setting a language up. Just an offer... :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CFJWilliamson

Does anyone know when languages for English speakers will enter the Incubator (or any educated guesses)? I would love to learn Russian using Duolingo but I feel I should wait until the English to Russia course is released.

4 years ago

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I guess most of current Incubator contributors would want to work on reverse courses. So, indeed, it is quite reasonable to wait for a Russian course for English speakers.

In fact, if you are an absolute beginner in Russian, I'd even recommend you to wait a little more after this course is released. A very fresh beta course usually contains a lot of mistakes and lacks explanations, so it may be better to wait until some curious volunteer bilinguals help to polish it a bit :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CFJWilliamson

I'm not a complete beginner. I can get by in Russian speaking it and writing it (although I find typing harder because I am used to writing it by hand). I look forward to when it is released!!

Thank you

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sy_ing

Hi, olimo. I'm new to the Duolingo. The course is now in beta, does that mean it only opens to some exclusive members, so they could polish it before further launch? I just checked and could not register Russian/English course. thanks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Hi forlsy! It is a public beta. To add this course, go to your Settings and select "Я хочу учить Английск (Я знаю Русск)" (this label has mistakes, but it will be fixed soon, so never mind).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ziggKogg
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Hopefully the very first lesson for Eng->Rus is the alphabet. >.<

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/krinitskiy

отличная новость!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sy_ing

The Great Lord Luis... please tell when Chinese beta will be available...

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IhanShoel

;):)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/csis1945
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Hey guys !!!!!! , if you disable the mircophone and speaker this course is basically the same as a English learning Russian course for reading and writing. Only difference is that the instructions are in Russian.

Also you can type Russian letters if you change some settings in the control panel (Windows)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ykravets1

Please make this course mobile accessible! I really want to send it to my friend so he can learn English.

Thanks!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkuprov

It should be available on mobile devices this upcoming week!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/vaskodagamo

It sounds really great! I'm waiting the duolingo app, because my smartphone is always with me. And learning language on the phone is very convenient. Roman, will update be available on both platforms?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkuprov

Yes. Apple and Android versions should be available after the next update. The course will still be in Beta, but available on the mobiles. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/corpsy

BOUUUUUUUUUUUUYAAAAAAAAAAAA

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BenTheGeek

Yay! Finally!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ljeanxo

Yay!!!!!!! Good job guys!!!!!!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/molodan
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Where do I go to take this course?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/stfods
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It's already available, as any "X to English" course, it should be switched to in the profile: drop-down menu with the flag -> more.. -> Learning Language

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Arthurva
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Very exciting! Congrats all of you generous people who got the course up and running in record time! WELL DONE!! I am dead keen to start learning Russian so looking forward to the conversion!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Mistakes in the language list

Я хочу учить АнглийскИЙ + Я знаю РусскИЙ

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkuprov

Yeah, it's one of the issues we were trying to resolve since there are many endings that can be tacked on at the end of the word depending on the case. We finally found a solution, but it this particular string fell through the cracks.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nerdator
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И названия языков со строчной, пожалуйста.

4 years ago

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Опять же, не от нас это зависит. Названия языков подставляются отдельно. Мы создаём разные наборы, но кое-где просто не получается сделать с маленькой.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nerdator
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На других языках в этом выпадающем списке (выбор языка в настройках) все в порядке — кто пишет со строчной, у тех со строчной, так что пишите разработчикам.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Nerdator
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Да, это явно исправимо — в испанской версии сайта, скажем, все в порядке. Отмечу, что и в других местах та же ошибка есть:

"Мы обновили дерево навыков, чтобы изучение Английского шло более эффективно."

"Дерево навыков Английского."

Еще сильно укололо в глаз это "Домой" в верхней плашке. Нужна "Главная" ("На главную") (опять же, в испанской и немецкой версии это место переведено общепринятыми терминами, никаких калек).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Скорее всего, разработчикам пришлось что-то править в коде вручную. Наверняка так же в итоге сделают и с русским.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/J.DavidCR

Thank you a lot. I really appreciate your work. I'd definitively love to contribute to duolingo when I learn another language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mollyglot
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Yayyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Ok, so when I tried seeing how I would access it, I tried it on the GER->ENG course. I had to go to my profile and say I was a German speaker who wanted to learn English, which took out my ENG->SPA tree (I switched back and everything was fine!) is that what I would have to do to see the RUS->ENG course? If so, is that only until it's out of beta?

4 years ago

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You can do it now. Th bad news, the option you should choose is in Russian: Я хочу учить Английск (Я знаю Русск) (it is not correct, but we'll fix that). The good news it is the only non latin option there right now, so you should not be lost. When you switch , the entire interface will become Russian, so be prepared to find the way to switch back if you need. Just remember, where it was located.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mollyglot
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Yep, it's working fine. I just have to switch back and forth to go from my RUS-ENG tree to my ENG-SPA tree.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Dekadentin

Спасибо!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnonToriYT

I'm really interested in Pусский язык especially because, I know the whole cyrillic alphabet for russian. I hope in the future the English-to-Russian course will be available. Thank you Russians who made this possible and , I wish the best in future projects.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

На удивление сложно проходится

Вводишь то, что первым приходит в голову и оно не совпадает с требуемым

Вводишь "similar" - надо "like that", вводишь "идет" - надо "идёт"

Начинаю опасаться, что придется поурочно проходить

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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А зачем тебе проходить экстерном? Если английский и так знаешь, пользы от самого курса тебе никакой. А вот помочь в улучшении можешь, проходя уроки, - и порой даже нарочно пробуя разные варианты, чтобы выловить недостающие :-)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

До сегодняшнего дня, считал, что направление Eng>Rus у меня развито много выше среднего, обратное направление - на уровне "Насяльника, моя работай хорошо", быстро пройду, ибо долбить "My dress is red" - скучновато и лучше с новой лычкой буду по форумам желающим изучать Русский помогать

Ан, фиг - хардкор еще тот, причем нехило в части "Сформулируй по-русски"

УжЕ начинаю опасливо коситься в зеркало: "Носитель Великого и Могучего аль не носитель"

Помощь: мож, проще выложить где-нибудь исходники, а заверенные модераторами русскоязычные напредлагают вариантов

4 years ago

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Перечитала 3 раза и не смогла понять мысль, так что, наверное, "не носитель" :)))))

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Вкратце мысль такая: курс очень разрушает твое понимание, того, как и чем ты владеешь, включая нативный язык

+Бонус: развивает веру во всякие теории заговоров направленные против тебя, т.к, что бы ты не набрал, это будет отвергнутым синонимом правильного ответа:))

4 years ago

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Да, стоит признать, что проблемы с русским очень серьёзные. Вы давно живёте за рубежом?

P.S. нативный язык по-русски будет родной язык.

И далее: Развивает веру во всякие теории заговоров, направленныХ против тебя, так как что бы ты нИ набрал, это будет отвергнутО..... хотя нет, тут я не поняла сначала, тут действительно будет "отвергнутым синонимом" (хотя лучше сказать "окажется" и тогда будет понятнее).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Хех, только сегодня утром думал, что не очень понимаю людей, которые после после нескольких лет за границей перестают адекватно изъясняться на родном языке и тут - на, получи

На рубежи пенять не приходиться, коли сам - тупой, да и не было особенных рубежей

Кстати, сначала написАл направленныХ, но потом подумал, что не согласуется со "всякие теории"

"Не" вместо "Ни" - вообще, адский маразм

Приофигев от собственных перлов, задумчиво уползаю в угол - переосмысливать бытие

4 years ago

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Да, это интересный эффект. Вот нас трое модераторов русского инкубатора. И все мы уже 10 лет и более живём за рубежом. И периодически мы не могли сообразить уже, как некоторые вещи надо по-русски говорить.

Насчет теорий я тоже так подумала еще, но все-таки это заговоры направленны, а не теории, правда ведь? Сразу вспоминаются упражнения на согласования числительных в школе: "Он вооружился двумя стами сорока восемью лопатами" :)))) Что сказать, сложный он русский язык.

4 years ago

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Это понятно, мы пытались добавить все возможные переводы. Но их так много, у нас это далеко не всегда получалось. Мы будем добавлять по ходу дела.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Кнопка правки сообщения называется "Перевод"

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Засилье слов "Этот", "Эта", "Это", "Эти"

Ошибкой не назвать и пока в одиночных предложениях для русскоговорящих - норма

Но если начнут по той же схеме учиться англоязычные, то, ИМХО, получится очень сильная связь - любое "the" менять на "это"

Будет эткать по 10 раз на абзац....

Неплохо бы привязать "это" к словам "this" и "these", а для прочих случаев указать, что артикли не шибко-то и нужны в русском

Ну, это так - мнение дилетанта

4 years ago

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это сделано исключительно для обучения русских английскому, а не наоборот. Варианты без это тоже принимаются как верные, и в обратном курсе именно они будут нашим выбором. This and These тоже принимаются везде (или почти везде).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GOMER2

Странно.... Почти везде, где пытался пропустить "the" при переводе на русский - ругалось

Потом плюнул и стал везде пропечатывать "это" и производные

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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хмм. сообщайте, Есть там и места, где какой-то определитель обязателен, но таких мало. Скорее пропущено или баг при оценке ответов.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeHornblower

It would be cool if dualingo could leverage the power of multitran.ru in some way... Multitran is truly the best source of English to Russian and Russian to English translation.

4 years ago

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I agree, the awesome dictionary.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanLin
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I just tried the new course and it's really awesome!! But is the Russian sound hasn't been available yet? Hope can hear some Russian from it soon! All hail the Russian course contributors!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larisa_L
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Bad news, there will be no Russian sound. The course is for Russian speakers, so only English sentences are voiced.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/IanLin
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What a pity!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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Actually, it is a normal practice: the sound is only present for the language you learn, so if you use the English course for Russian speakers, the sound is only for English. In the reverse course of Russian for English speakers, there will be only Russian sound but no English sound (I believe they will be able to find and connect a Russian TTS for that).

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/qwertypotato

can someone explain if this is the fourth gift ?

4 years ago

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It is the fourth gift.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BobbieL
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You're doing amazing things, Russian-from-English moderators. :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/davemapps
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Awesome work guys!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ichilingo

If this is the 4th gift, I assume this is the box with eggs on it, so what does that mean for bringing more courses for English speakers? :(

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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I guess they will start to work on reverse courses after the English courses are more or less polished.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Soolrak
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Wasn't the first one English from German?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/olimo
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It was made by the members of Duo team, not by volunteer contributors.

4 years ago

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Oh, I see. Thanks for the info :)

4 years ago

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How do I get onto it? I've gone into settings and in the option menu changed my learning language to Russian but nothing happens. How do I fix this?

Thanks I look forward to using it.

4 years ago

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Did you save the changes? (sorry if you did and I'm asking a stupid question).

4 years ago

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AHA That's not a stupid question :) That's the problem....Will it delete my Italian progress if i save the changes? Thanks :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rkuprov

Your Italian progress will remain intact.

4 years ago

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It will be fine, you can switch back at any moment. Just remember where and how, as the entire interface will be in Russian.

4 years ago

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Thanks :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SeverinBokus

Vas? Finally!

4 years ago

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Can anyone tell me how I can access the beta courses, I can't find them anywhere

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anachron

Gear icon > Settings > select learning language in the drop-down menu.

4 years ago

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Thanks man

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/anachron

No problem, mate.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tariqnisarahmed

Congratulations!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/38tpus
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Hi, I know it has been a rather contentious topic on Duolingo forums in the past, but are there any plans to support British English as the target language in the Russian->English set? The reason for asking is that (being myself a resident of the UK), I know quite a few Russian-speaking people who are considering to travel, relocate or do business in the UK. They would therefore prefer to learn British English. Granted, Duolingo engine is pretty tolerant to British spellings and variants when you type them in, but it still forces American English upon you when it introduces new words and phrases, and TTS engine has an American accent as well. I shall be happy to contribute to the British English adaptation, if there are any plans to include it. I also know other people in the UK who might be interested in joining the effort. -- Sergei

4 years ago

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I would think there will be no British English course, but I think it is not that big of a problem. In Russia the standard is to teach kids British English in schools. And still it was not difficult for me to addapt to American English, when I came to the U.S. The difference is not that huge, as you may think. Yes, there are some different words and pronunciation of course, but I watch both U.S. and British movies and T.V. shows withouth any problem. I'm going to move to Australia next year, I believe it will not be a problem to adapt to their English as well. The core, the grammar is the same, most of the vacabulary is the same, so if you know one version well enough, you can easily pick up another one.

4 years ago

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Now that I gave it some thought, BrE can EASILY be taught (if at all) by adding a sub-tree of 3-4 bonus skills. Earn your lingots and buy it yourself :). Surely, for a beginner 13-17 lessons are going to be well enough to get used to the accent, a few grammatical peculiarities and a different vocabulary. That's all it takes.

4 years ago

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Is it in addition to having a British English pronunciation option for the entire course?

4 years ago

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By no one less that a professional native speaker! If you dream, dream big :).

It is not likely that Duolingo team is going to bother at all. Learning British variants is a trivial task, so it is going to be weighed against other laguages. I mean, English is a very popular language but, really, is the demand for BrE variant more than the demand for, say, Swedish for English speakers or German for Japanese speakers?

4 years ago

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I should assume that on the continent more people would be interested in learning en_GB than en_US. Simply because of proximity and because of a free movement within the EU. In former Soviet republics that are now part of the EU there must be an almost 100% preference for UK English among Russian speakers, because for them taking up a job in the UK is dead easy (as long as there's a job available!). Same in Poland for Polish speakers who are learning English. In Russia the split is not that obvious, it may be 50/50 or may be 20/80 with US being more popular -- I've got no idea, and it would be interesting to know. Either way, I reckon there might be a considerable hidden demand for a Russian->UK English course, far bigger than for many exotic pairs of languages.

4 years ago

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It is a shame if there won't be. I understand what you are trying to say. I learnt British English at school, later I switched to American English because we mostly worked with partners in the States, then I moved to the UK and had to rewire my brain again. I agree with you, after a while you adjust to the change. However, if you consider a complete beginner who is trying to learn English from scratch (and that would be your typical Duolingo user), there is a notable difference in pronunciation, there are differences in spelling and vocabulary between the US and UK English. Now, people are learning languages for different reasons, and one of the reasons is that they are considering a move to another country. In that case, one would be more interested to learn the language variant of the country where they consider settling at some point. From that point of view, I wonder what the people behind Polish->English course are thinking. There are hundreds of thousands of Poles settled in the UK, and I reckon an average Polish person would be more interested in learning British English than US English. Probably the same for many other EU countries. I still think there is a strong case for providing an option to learn British English. I might be able to get together a team of Russians and Brits to make that happen.

4 years ago

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At the very least they could support a choice of a speech synth, so that you may change it to a British voice if you wish to. Most of them do have lots of options for English laguage. The pronunciations of things like "glass" or "answer" make me wince every time, so different are they from what I am used to.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/38tpus
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A big +1 from me, I would love to have a choice of UK English pronunciation, just as well as I imagine someone might be interested in Aussie voice. Thing is, if all speech is synthesised anyway, instead of being recorded, it should be pretty easy to provide an alternative voice. Providing alternative spellings would probably be a rather straightforward exercise too, but getting vocabulary right is a much bigger issue. I remember how I was once asking for "chips" in a pub, when it turned out I actually wanted "crisps". Pants-trousers divide can be a source of much embarrassment and can give a conversation a very amusing turn :) "Subway" in the UK is an underground passageway for pedestrians and cyclists. There are lots of other differences in everyday vocabulary that someone will notice within the first days after arriving in the UK. I would love it if Duolingo expanded not only by providing additional languages, but also by catering for major regional variants for each language.

4 years ago

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Мне кажется, что вы слишком усложняете саму идею Дуолинго. Дуолинго - по большому счету, это только некая начальная точка. место где можно преодолеть свои страхи перед языком, осваивая его в игровой форме, выработать привычку регулярно заниматься и т.п. Освоить здесь язык в полной мере, имхо, невозможно (хотя некоторые утвреждают обратное). Произношение - да никакое произношение не усвоишь из нашего курса. Если все что вы слышали в английском - это озвучка нашего курса, то приедете вы в США или в Британию - не важно - вы будете сильно шокированы и не будете понимать ровным счетом ничего. Словарный запас? Господи, у нас 2000 слов. Это ничтожно мало, какие там региональные различия, это так, самая база, чтобы на улице не потеряться. А чтобы учесть все вот эти региональные особенности, сколько вариантов курса надо создать? Вы думаете в США все однородно, да тут в Бостоне называют метро одним образом, в Нью-Йорке другим, а в ДиСи третьим. То же самое с колой и чипсами. Человек приезжает из Чикаго в ДиСи и не может сходу сделать заказ в макдональдсе. Но ничего, как-то выживает и привыкает через пару недель. Все эти особенности актуальны только если вообще хоть как-то говорите на языке. Даже если вы говорите с ошибками, и подбираете не совсем правильные слова - вас все равно поймут. Так что не вижу тут никакой проблемы. Но любой, кто хочет действительно овладеть языком не может ограничиваться только одним ресурсом - надо впитывать язык из разных источников и все будет в порядке. Потому не вижу смысла пытаться впихнуть все в Дуолинго.

4 years ago

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Строго говоря, в произношении как раз тупая привычка с самого начала — помогает. Вижу на примере своего брата, который, как и я, не общается на инглише вслух. И очень удивляется звучанию многих не самых редких слов, которые миллион раз использовал и ни разу не подумал, как они читаются.

Английский — это ужасный язык с невероятным количеством трудноразличимых для нетренированного иностранца гласных. И орфографией, устаревшей на 500 лет. Даже синтезатор речи поможет задолбить правильное произношение для тех самых основных 1800 слов, в которых неправильно ставить ударение и читать не тот звук совсем уж стыдно :). Если юзер предпочитает учить британские произношения (где стакан [glɑ:s], а не [glæs], и есть типовые же различия для подобных слов типа path, answer и т.д.) — с чего бы и нет.

Впрочем, ответ одного из членов команды на сообщения про синтезатор уже был ответ. Во-первых, что они пробовали живую речь (запись диктора в студии), но пользователи охотнее занимались с синтезатором. Во-вторых, несмотря на не везде хорошее качество, эти TTS весьма недёшево Дуолинго обошлись.

А жаль, потому что для русского я бы предложения начитал, пусть и много часов. Благо оборудование у меня студийное, голос натренированный, а акцент самый невыдающийся дженерик-московский.

4 years ago

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Я бы предпочла, чтобы у нас транскрипция была. Вот тогда и знали бы, куда ударение ставить. То что у нас есть какая-то озвучка - это хорошо и полезно. Но живой язык звучит сильно не так и "переучиваться" все равно придется. Насчет озвучки русских прелдожений - посмотрим.

4 years ago

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Безусловно, есть ещё бесконечное разнообразие местных акцентов и диалектов, покрыть которые в обучении невозможно и бессмысленно. Нет смысла учить новичков кокни, йоркширскому, ливерпульскому, шотландскому, ирландскому или валлийскому акценту и/или диалекту. Некоторые из них вообще как отдельный язык -- на слух ни черта понять невозможно, даже у коренных британцев проблемы с этим. Тема многообразия британских региональных и классовых акцентов уже довольно хорошо раскрыта в литературе и кино :) Однако, при всём при этом есть ещё некий стандартизованный британский английский, на котором говорит королева, премьер-министр и дикторы БиБиСи, также как есть американский английский, на котором говорит Обама и дикторы СиЭнЭн. Разница в произношении между британским и американским английским достаточно существенна, чтобы её можно было игнорировать. Разница в лексике (и грамматике) тоже имеется. Так вот, развивая вашу тему касательно того, что Дуолинго даёт только начальные, базовые знания -- да, это так, но ведь это -- основа всего того, что вы выучите и освоите потом. Переучиваться всегда сложнее, а целевая аудитория, которую я в первую очередь имею ввиду -- это люди, которые осознанно хотят изучать именно британский английский. Люди, которые либо раздумывают переехать в Великобританию, либо уже переехали сюда в составе семьи и пытаются адаптироваться на месте, либо по какой-то ещё причине интересуются Британией в большей степени, чем США. Собственно, я в данный момент пытаюсь помочь нескольким таким (вполне конкретным) людям. Я, если вы заметили, всячески стараюсь обходить острые углы, чтобы дискуссия не свалилась в холивар на тему того, какой вариант английского является правильным и единственным. Моя цель - предоставить людям возможность выбора, который они сами для себя сделают. Я, к сожалению, плохо представляю себе специфику работы, проделанной вашей командой над русско-английским модулем, и насколько легко или сложно было бы её адаптировать. Я прекрасно осознаю, что объём работы проделан огромный, и благодарен вам за достигнутый результат. Я готов помочь с британской частью, если эта идея всё-таки материализуется.

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@38tpus - холивар на тему, какой английский лучше нам не грозит. Я люблю все виды английского. Обожаю ирландские акценты, не то что бы нравится, но однозначно интригует йоркширский, иногда можно посмаковать и чёрный американский. Моя позиция, которую я пытаюсь до вас донести, что, на деле, абсолютно не важно, кого вы будете слушать в самом начале - Обаму или Британскую Королеву, они оба хорошо и грамотно говорят, и научившись английскому у Обамы, вы будете понятны Британской Королевой и наоборот. Изучение британского английского в школе не облегчило мне понимание ни британских шоу, ни американских. Живая речь и в том и в другом случае была куда как сложнее того, что мы учили в школе. Но чем лучше я владею английским, тем лучше я могу понимать все его виды. Да, мозгу надо каждый раз немного переключаться в новый формат, но каждый раз это занимает все меньше и меньше времени. Чёрный американский дался мне труднее всего, а чёрных ведь в Америке очень много, и человек, который только приезжает в США сталкивается в первую очердь именно с ними - они работают в аэропортах, госконторах, макдональдсах и т.п. - в больших пропорциях. И тогда вся ваша учеба языка даже у Обамы идет насмарку - другой акцент, другая граматика. Но ничего, все как-то это переживают, не слышала, чтобы кому-то это помешало серьезно в жизни.

Знание любой версии на хорошем уровне важнее знания какой-то конкретной версии английского.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregoryEzi

Can't wait for the Russian team to be 100% done I know they will do a good job

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregoryEzi

does that mean english learn Russian or vice versa

4 years ago

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It means Russian speakers can learn English, the revierse course is in the development.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lyndamike

Thank you!

4 years ago
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