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Do any of you mods working on the Russian course know when it will be out of beta?

I'm learning Russian on duoLingo, and I'm loving it!!! It's a cool language, but when will the full course be out? Thanks in advance!

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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I don't think they can know that much in advance. It depends on how many reports they get per 1000 users per some unit of time. It's a long tree, so it might take quite a bit.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Oesterreich7
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Well, sort of, although we cannot predict the date on which we will graduate from beta, we do have statistics. In order to graduate from beta(there are a few exceptions), report levels must be under 3 reports per 100 users for 14 days in a row. Our report numbers have hovered between 3 and 4 for the past 14 days. I hope this helps.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Wow, so close already! Thanks for letting us know.

(Not that I expect the actual graduation to affect our learning or user experience much, but it's am indication of how mature the course already is, after only a couple of months in beta.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bricejohnson2003
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When I was in Culinary school. I asked my Chef when will the cake be done. He answered, "It is done when it is done." In other words, If I had to guess when it is going to be done by past experiences I have see in Duo....It will be sometime in the future.

I think what question you are really trying to say is "What hurdles does the team need to pass before it graduates out of beta.'" And I think that no one knows that answer besides the team itself.

BTW, I am not a buyer of the "They need less than so many reports per 1000 blah blah blah." I know that a couple of teams use this method. BUT there is much much more than reports. Like Voice Recognition, Immersion, real voice dubs, those drawings things you see in other languages, and much much more. Really, for all we know, the team just wants to get voice recognition, and immersion before allowing it to graduate and worry about reports when they come.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/annika_a
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Immersion has not been supported for new courses for a long time now.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Elleasar
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I guess Immersion has been thrown out of their business model.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bricejohnson2003
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I checked and you are right. No immersion on new languages.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/an_alias
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I don't have any insider information but I suspect they want to make sure they get adequate feedback through the entire course.

I'm not finished with it (but almost to the last (huge) section, whoo hoo!) but I've noticed that as I advance there are fewer and fewer comments and such on the various questions. That tells me that as the course progresses, fewer people are sticking with it or giving feedback. I'd guess the former but maybe not...

Earlier in the course I liked reading the comments just for the extra flavor and to see the other questions people had. Now I can go several questions without seeing a single comment/discussion.

I think it's going to be a matter of enough people working their way completely through it to fully vet it. But again, I have no inside information so I could be wrong.

I will say this - the Russian team still seems actively involved in discussions. So it's not dormant, by any means.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamBarley1
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I've been working on the course pretty diligently for the past month (at least one hour a day, if not two) and I'm maybe a third of the way finished. The course takes time to do properly, so I think it's a combination of its newness and the fact that a lot of people treat Duolingo as a game and dip in and out of languages, perhaps giving up when things get harder. I have also noticed fewer comments as time has gone on, and I think it's a combination of the fact that fewer casual users make it to the point I'm at, and perhaps also that once you reach a certain level you know what you've done wrong when you see the correct answer!

I also agree with you that the Russian team gives very good and substantive answers to questions and comments on sentences. I'm really impressed.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/an_alias
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once you reach a certain level you know what you've done wrong when you see the correct answer!

Oh man, I hope not. I still have questions, sometimes really basic (possibly stupid) questions because I was focusing on some other moving part of Russian. Heck I just asked today about the placement of пожалуйста!

I do think you nailed it on people thinking of DL as a game.

On a completely unrelated note, and don't feel like you have to answer - are you an attorney?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamBarley1
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I still have questions, sometimes really basic (possibly stupid) questions because I was focusing on some other moving part of Russian.

It was probably pretty foolish of me to write that. I've just passed the second checkpoint so I am just on the cusp of running the "grammar gauntlet." we'll see if I still feel that way after having all that grammar thrown at me.

I'm not an attorney. Nowhere near. Though I'm deeply curious about why you asked!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/an_alias
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I'm not an attorney. Nowhere near. Though I'm deeply curious about why you asked!

In my experience the only people who use the word "Substantive" are attorneys. They love that word.

You may very well be the only person I've encountered who uses it and isn't an attorney.

Edit: And yeah, talk to me after a few more lessons - even after some strengthenings when they throw astonishingly complex sentences at you that you didn't expect.

:)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/68dustin

I love the Russian course so far.

:)

2 years ago