https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

Fließendes Schild - Fluency Shield

Hallo liebe Leute,

Nach einem Jahr intensives Studium bei duoLingo steht mein fließendes Schild am 51%.

Und ich frage mich, was die Nummern von die anderen Benutzer sind.

Lassen uns hier mit uns unsere Nummern teilen (natürlich nur wenn ihr wollt).

Dankeschön!

... (Just wanted to try a little in German for practice)

Hello everyone,

After one year of intensive study here on duoLingo my fluency shield stands at 51%.

I wonder what other users such as yourselves numbers are.

Why don't we all share our numbers here (if you feel like it).

I only ask because I personally feel that 51% fluency is, in all fairness, probably close to the truth. On a bad day (or really early in the morning before coffee), my German is more around 40% or so ;-)

I ask because I have heard others say that they feel their fluency shield is completely off base.

I know there have been lots of past discussions on this topic, but I am curious if there are people out there with high fluency ratings (70% or more, for example). If so, did it take two years or something to earn such a badge? I am curious as I feel that this gives me something to keep struggling for in duoLingo (I have reached level 25 and apparently cannot go further which is also a pity). Either way, it is not so important. Just more of a curiosity thing. I am a big fan and do not plan to discontinue using the service anytime soon.

Thanks all!

-Lance

January 22, 2016

28 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StefaniM13

Hallo Lance! Ich hoffe es geht dir gut.

After one year on Duolingo, I'm at level 17 and my shield says I'm 44% fluent, although when I go to any German speaking meetups I feel far less fluent. :-(

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HenningBoh

I have received the same and I am an native German speaker :) I think it is due to the fakt that it does not reward when you finish all in some hours, it rewards how much answers you gave. For example you are through all and you don't strengthen more, means you have just worked on an average number from all the content.

I think you should not care too much about it and continuously improve., by whatever suits your actual fluency.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/-Katrina.-

I am apparently 50% fluent, which I don't really agree with. The highest, I think, is about 60%. But don't trust the fluency rate too much; it is not very accurate.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

Is that in your German? Yeah, I agree that it does not seem to be very accurate. In my case, it seems more of a coincidence that the 51% is in line with my current abilities. 3 months ago, when my German was much, much more sloppy than it is now, it was hovering around 49 to 50% fluency.

I wonder why it doesn't get fine tuned.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnjaMostertman

I am not even sure that it goes that high, I think the highest I had was 53% before the new tree was introduced and I remember a native German posting that he only managed to get up to 54%...

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/quis_lib_duo

Hello, a native speaker here with a staggering non-command of the language: 43 per cent. Ah well. Muß ich halt noch viel üben. ;-)

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richtig123

I've been doing Duo on and off for about 2 and a half years, though more seriously in the last six months. I'm currently at level 14, though I'm not even halfway through the tree since I go so slowly. My fluency has just reached 40%, which is very much not accurate. I wish I was 40% fluent! Perhaps in reading I am about there, but definitely in writing, speaking and even listening I am not at all that comfortable.

I don't pay it any mind. There's not really any way to accurately measure fluency on Duolingo, imo.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Leonyb

According to the shield, my fluency in German is 29%. I also completed the English skill tree (from Dutch, which is my native language) and there the shield says 56%. I don't try to keep the English tree golden though, since I only completed it to see if it could teach me something I didn't already know and came to the conclusion it didn't.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OttoHoffmann

Hallo Lance,
HughBlair (siehe diese Diskussion) hat dir bereits einen Link geschickt. Auf der Seite steht dann, dass hier 50 % bis 60 % möglich sind. Eine genauere Beschreibung / Verdeutlichung von den Prozentwerten findest du unter dem folgenden Link. https://testcenter.duolingo.com/scores
Bei mir sind, dort bei der Seite, die Prozentwerte auf Deutsch erklärt (ich lerne Englisch von Deutsch). Es wird sofort deutlich, dass unser Grundwortschatz aus dem Duolingo-Kurs allein (wahrscheinlich ca. 2000 Worte) für höhere Prozentwerte nicht ausreichend sein kann.

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HughBlair

Hallo Lance!

anscheinend steht das Sprachflussschild maximal zwischen 50-60% . Weiter bringt uns Duolingo wohl nicht, was ich gut verstehen kann. Wie man die Schildwerte richtig beherrscht und erhöht, bleibt etwas geheimnisvoll. Bei Portugiesisch ist alles für mich schön vergoldet und ich stecke zusätzliche Wiederholungsarbeit rein und ich bleibe bei 55%. Ich bin letztendlich bei dem Gedanke verblieben, dass eine Sprache zu lernen seine eigene Belohnung ist... :-)

Siehe folgenden Link: https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/205933480-What-does-my-Fluency-Score-mean

Gruß

Hugh

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sunadashi

I have 48% German. I recently finished the tree and am keeping it gold, but I think the % is too high for what I actually know. My Spanish stays at 55% in spite of my failure to keep that completed tree gold. I studied and utilized Spanish in the past so that % is about right or maybe even low in my opinion.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Beniuk

Ich bin fertig mit dem Baum und es sagt 41%, aber alles ist nicht aus Gold. Ich glaube, dass 41% für mich ist ein bisschen hoch.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PJCSantos

Hey Lance I want to ask you something apart from the topic. Are you working or studying in Berlin? I'm very interested in working in Germany and I would like to know if they usually employ workers h with B1 in German who speak fluently English.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

Good question, but I am not qualified to answer. I am on a language visa which means I can work part time. As far being a full time worker, I think it is like any big city and probably tricky to find a job in Berlin. But if you have really high qualifications for your particular work then you would probably find something with enough patience. I will transition to a freelance working Visa in a few months. Which country are you originally from? The US also?

ps--While many foreigners make an effort to learn the language with great success, many foreigners who live here have no clue how to use German and still get employed if the office environment doesn't rely on German. So, depending on the kind of work you do that may not be an issue at all. In fact, lots of offices use mainly English to communicate since the environment here is so multicultural. A B1 level German is quite good compared to most (as least that I have met). Hope that helps .

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PJCSantos

I am from Portugal and I have a MSc in Civil Engineering. Not the best degree to get a job there with only B1 in German I guess lol my goal now is to keep learning and reach B2 by August and then I will start applying for jobs online.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

You never know! Best of luck to you in your adventure and keep up the good work :-)

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StefaniM13

Hi Lance,

Can you explain what a language visa is? Also, what do you mean by foreigners having "no clue how to use German to get employed"? (I'm always interested in learning about one's observations as an Ausländer.)

Danke!

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

I revised my sentence. I said "so many" originally so as not to exclude the thousands of people who make a huge effort to learn the language. I would venture to say that we are in the minority though, as many people can get by in Berlin with an extremely limited grasp on the language. In some ways I think this is understandable, because really learning German is a gigantic commitment and takes thousands of hours to master. Not everyone has so much spare time to learn.

A language visa is more or less like what it sounds. I showed the Bürgeramt lots of paperwork that showed I was who I said I was, and that I intended to learn German and they have given me an "Aufenthaltstitel" to stay here for a few years to study.

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StefaniM13

So let me get this straight, you got a visa to stay in Germany just to learn the language? Wie Man sagt "baroooo" auf Deutsch?

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

That's right. You would say, "Wie sagt man (etwas) auf Deutsch?". Remember that the verb takes second position (not always but in a basic, demonstrative sentence at least it does). And do not capitalise "man" as it is used in this instance as a pronoun to mean "one" and is not the noun "der Mann". :-)

Ich weiß nicht das Wort. Barooo? Ich habe eigentlich keine Ahnung.

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Adam9812

Sehr seltsam. Die Nummer ist mir nur 42%. :P

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sunsloth

Ich habe 12%, weil ich heutzutage kaum duolingo verwenden! Seit 2-3 Monate wohne ich in Deutschland und lerne in eine Gruppe. Wenn ich echte Gespräche mit viele Leute haben können, fühle ich mich duolingo sehr langweilig gewesen ist. Es gibt kein mehr Änderungen - manchmal sogar zehn Minuten mit den App mich nervt.

January 22, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bastianbalthazar

Dein Deutsch ist sehr gut! Ja, ich verstehe was du meinst. Aber bis ich keine Rechtschreibung und Grammatik Fehler mehr mache, werde ich duoLingo treu bleiben.

Ich gratuliere dich zu deinen Leistungen. Ich denke es ist toll, daß du nicht so viel Zeit bei duoLingo benutzen brauchst.

:-)

ps--"verwenden" should be conjugated to "verwende". "Monate" should be "Monaten" (the preposition "seit" renders the proceeding noun into the Dativ case). Also watch the conjugation of your verb "können". It too needs to correspond to the subject (ich) and be turned into "kann". No need for "gewesen" since you already have "ist". Maybe you meant to use "geworden" which would make sense (it has become boring). Oh, and you should also put the word "mehr" after the subject (Es gibt keine Änderungen mehr). And make sure the word "kein" (which functions like an adjective) agrees with the plural noun there. The preposition "mit" also forces the noun into the Dativ. Die App becomes "mit der App".

Phew. German is so detailed, isn't it? This is one of the main reasons I have continued to drill these same practices into my head over and over. One can uncover more and more details and really solidify that knowledge. I do not mean to sound pompous, because I know how immense the struggle is to learn proper, grammatically correct German. Your German is outstanding after only 2-3 months based on this little sample of your writing. Keep up the good work, but pay attention to those details as you go forward! I still make a lot of mistakes too (probably a few in my German I wrote up above).

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Herzuberkopf

I am curious how this 'mechanic' works!

Mine is on 29%!

To answer, yes I feel like it is off base. I felt like it was too high from the beginning! Especially at around 10% fluent. Now I think 29% is being generous.

January 23, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lisa4duolingo

Like the way you encourage us to share our numbers. These reports/self-disclosures may be eye-opening for some. I'll give you my background and then you give you my numbers.

I studied German for one year during my senior year in high school. I did not study it again until several years later and by "several," I am not exaggerating. I studied German for the first time since high school in May of 2015 when I discovered duolingo and where I studied it for 10 days before moving on to Turkish. Stats follow:

Current Total XP: 1758

Level: 9

Completed Branches of the Tree: 30/123 (inc. 2 bonus skills*) (24%)

Fluency: 14%

To put that into perspective, I'll share my Spanish stats with you, too. Keep in mind that my Spanish is miles ahead of my German for a lot of different reasons. I studied it for an equivalent of four years in high school and have attempted to maintain it through self-study and an occasional course here and there. In May of 2015, I spent six days studying it via duolingo before moving on to Turkish. Stats follow:

Current Total XP: 2932

Level: 10

Completed Branches of the Tree: 54/67 (inc. 3 bonus skills*)(81%)

Fluency: 19%

*I have not completed the bonus skills in either language.

As you can see, I am a bit disappointed that my Spanish fluency isn't higher, especially since I've done some Immersion ... not a lot, but I have done some. I don't think I've done any in German. I think I attempted to do one page, but realized I just hadn't learned enough vocabulary to continue dong so. I think my fluency is higher than it would have been because I made at least one attempt at it.

Regardless, I do plan on taking up German again some day and it will be interesting to see what dedicated, applied study does to that fluency rating. Regardless, I am looking forward to reviewing the language videos you've been creating. The little bit I've seen and the positive remarks I've read indicate they will be well worth my while when the time comes.

February 16, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lisa4duolingo

As I reread your post, I somehow sense that you (and probably many others) believe that it is possible to have a 100% fluency score. Based off of some other posts I've read, I don't think it is possible. I've recently read some good posts on the topic and perhaps the best of them (of the ones I have read) is the one you can link to below:

Stuck at 56% comprehension in Spanish

February 16, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BobThomas12

Siebenundvierzig prozent - 6/11/17 Today, I am at 52%

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