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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

Croeso i'r Cwrs! Welcome to the Course.

Please read the new introductory notes - they contain a wealth of information about getting even more out of your Duolingo course

After a lot of hard work, we've finally made it - we're in beta! For those of you who couldn't wait to start the course and might have missed the introductory notes, here they are:

Just a few pieces of advice before you get stuck in: 1.Including the bonus skills, there are near to 100 skills(units) to get your teeth into! 2.Some of the skills of this course support units of the standard Welsh for Adults courses (Cwrs Mynediad, Sylfaen, and Canolradd). This is indicated when appropriate. It would be an excellent idea for you to join a class if you can and use Duolingo's course to further improve your Welsh! 3.Currently, the course uses "text-to-speech" and the popular voice of IVONA (Gwyneth). For this reason, some of the words might sound a little odd! 4.Whenever you complete a sentence, or hear a sentence, say it aloud. At first you'll feel a bit silly whist you get used to the new sounds and the positions your mouth goes into, but it'll all be worth it at the end. 5.Whilst in the Beta stage, please suggest translations of sentences in Cymraeg and English though the "report" or "discuss" button - this will help us improve the course for an even better experience and much more quicker.

For help with general pronunciation, you can visit the Welshplus page on Youtube.

Pob lwc, pob hwyl, a mwynhewch! Good luck, have fun, and enjoy!

I'r rhai sydd â phrofiad o'r Gymraeg neu'n ei siarad/For experienced learners and Welsh speakers:

Yn gyffredinol, mae'r cwrs hwn yn addysgu patrymau Cymraeg sylfaenol; y rhai sy'n cael eu clywed bob dydd. Ble roedd angen, dewison ni'r patrymau sy'n cael eu haddysgu yng nghyrsiau Cymraeg i Oedolion CBAC yn hytrach na phatrymau tafodieithol. Gyda'r ymarferion cyfieithu o'r Saesneg i'r Gymraeg, dyn ni wedi ceisio cynnwys amrywiaeth o atebion posibl. Fydd llawer o batrymau tafodieithol ddim yn cael eu derbyn na'u cynnwys; byddwch yn dod yn gyfarwydd gyda'r patrymau wrth ichi weithio drwy'r cwrs.

In general, this course teaches standard Welsh patterns; the kind that are heard every day. Where necessary, we have chosen the Welsh language patterns used in the WJEC Welsh for Adults courses rather than other regional forms. For the English to Welsh exercises, we have tried to include a wider range of possible answers. Many regional and dialectal forms have not been included and will not be accepted; as you go along, you will become familiar with the course patterns and which words are taught and will be accepted.

January 26, 2016

66 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tom.uk

Very glad to see the course progress into beta. A big thank you to the entire team for all the hard work!

Diolch yn fawr! Pob lwc pawb!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HerrArbo

Will other dialectal forms be added if they are reported as correct?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/iwc2ufan

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Very much enjoying it already. The voice you've got is very good. My Welsh father-in-law will be thrilled when I go back to the UK in July.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Harley070

Well, thank you MrGWallCymraeg.


After FRENCH, ASL JAP I will start WELSH!

Thank you Duo!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulW237

Thanks, I've just started it. It's tricky so far!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

Wouldn't want it to be too easy, would you? :P Keep going :D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flootzavut

Diolch! And for once Duolingo actually sent me an email falls over

Okay, off to earn my little Welsh dragon, and incidentally learn some Welsh too ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/belgieman

I grew up in N Wales and obviously learnt Welsh at school. That was now a long time ago and I haven't spoken it since I was about 14 (over 30 years ago) and have lived abroad for some time. I was pleased to learn that DuoLingo was now offering Welsh, so that you to the team that developed it. It means that I can refresh on it. I was slightly dismayed though that when I put words like "Ydych" or "Rydw" - just like the ones I learned at school that they were incorrect and that they should have been "Dych" or "Dw". I took the assessment and got several wrong because of things like this and have to start as a beginner. I took the WJEC Welsh exam as a child using words that I put in the assessment and passed so they can't be that non standard (at least they weren't then). Has the language really changed that much? Or is it just that those words have not been put in the "correct" list?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rcr_young

The language hasn't really changed, Belgieman. The forms you learnt at school were a standard set, called 'Cymraeg Byw', established by a committee for the WJEC in the early 1960s. It was a hybrid between myriad colloquial forms and the only true standard Welsh has ever had - literary Welsh. The trouble is that few people anywhere speak those Cymraeg Byw forms. As a largely written course, the Duolingo course could have gone down that route with Cymraeg Byw as an 'all Wales standard' that still look fairly elegant when written - the problem is it would create a form of Welsh that would be very clunky to speak and would sound unnatural - as natives speakers speak a range of dialectal contractions of these forms. It seems the course creators have opted for a particular colloquially contracted set which you'll hear used widely across Wales but is rooted most strongly in the North West.

In these contractions, 'rydw i' > 'dw i' [the true standard form is 'yr ydwyf i']/ 'rydych chi' > 'dych chi' [ the true standard form is 'yr ydych ch(w)i'] etc. This chosen set can be spoken anywhere in Wales, and are handy for any tutor because they allow them to skim over a swathe of grammar rules relating to where the 'r-' and the 'yd-' elements (as in 'rydw') are strictly applied. So these forms are very useful for a course like this but personally, I'd be hesitant indeed to write in them as in certain contexts it could be deemed far too slangy/colloquial a register. To write in a more elegant register of Welsh, you'd be advised to recourse to the forms you learned at school or to look to the forms used in printed BBC Welsh which defer more systematically to the underlying grammar of the old literary standard.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/belgieman

Thank you. That has helped to understand the context. Veel succes met jouw nederlands cursus.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneke69

Thanks for the explanation. Makes more sense to me now.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethS746001

That is helpful. I am also watching the Now You're Talking (Welsh) videos and your answer addresses those differences I saw also. I believe the videos, made by the BBC (along with the Now You're Talking Irish) back in the 90s, but have been a big help in trying to say the words. Which as pointed out before, can be tricky.

I was excited to see that Welsh had been added. I love Duolingo and learning new languages is really fun to me. Which my sister thinks is crazy. But I appreciate Duolingo. It is such a great experience and way to continually practice., as I learn.

I cannot say enough good things about Duolingo.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneke69

Hallo van een Nederlandse in Wales.

The local courses here in South-Wales now start by teaching colloquial spoken Welsh, which is a shame. My Welsh husband (who learnt Welsh as a child) couldn't understand why I am using "dych yn" and "dw i". He kept saying I got it wrong :-). We asked an English lady in St. Fagans Museum of Life in Cardiff, who spoke fluent Welsh, how she had learnt it. She said she started learning standard Welsh, but said local people could not understand her because she spoke a snobbish Welsh. She then switched to colloquial Welsh and recommended starting with colloquial to me.

I would have preferred it the other way around, first standard, then colloquial. Then again I find it complicated enough, so maybe this will be the best way for me, and hopefully I can learn standard Welsh later on.

I think this course should allow for "ydych" and "rydw" etc. as well though.

Groetjes, Anneke


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JayBurnett

Rydw i'n cytuno gyda chi. Fe fydd hi'n newid yn fuan yn gobeithiol. I agree! It will soon change hopefully! Heb een prettige dag!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/belgieman

dank je, diolch


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/belgieman

Hallo Anneke69, Ik hoop dat je vindt de cursus leuk. Ik houd van Welsh en nederlands. Pob lwc. Groetjes


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneke69

Diolch. Ja, ik vind de cursus erg leuk, maar het zal wel een tijdje duren voordat ik het leer. Groetjes.


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    Are you a native Welsh speaker?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kineticwab

    Dw i newydd fod yn mynd trwy'r 'placement tests' neu 'test out' neu beth bynnag mae Duolingo'n galw nhw. Mae'n edrych yn wych o ystyried mai fersiwn beta ydi o, chwarae teg i chi :) Sori am yr holl 'reports' dw i 'di bod yn anfon i mewn... trio cyfrannu ydw i, dw i'n sicr ddim yn cwyno! Diolch am y gwaith caled :D


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/XD29
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    Thanks so much to the whole team!!!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/owngrfld

    Fi mor hapus i weld Cymraeg ar duolingo ar ôl eich gwaith caled. Da iawn pawb ar y tîm!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnIsAPandah

    I love Welsh so far 3 And yes, you should say stuff aloud. Or at least whisper it, if you're on public transport. It helps a lot, especially with: heb, heft etc. (Haha I'm doing Welsh and Dutch at the same time. Sorry for the confusion xD)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HarryKane18

    I can't believe this is happening! I've been waiting something like this for such a loooong time. It's really hard to find free welsh resources on the web.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Willowfae

    www.saysomethinginwelsh.com - excellent free podcast lessons


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethS746001

    awesome. Thanks for the link. I too have been looking for Welsh language information online. Hard to find at best, let alone free. Even the app stores for Apple and Android are either expensive or just almost non existent.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/headlesscookie

    What a language... wonderful job to all those who put so much work into it! Well, off I go... (turns on Men of Harlech).


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Salim-xx

    Awwww.... I'm so excited! I'd love to learn this language so hard. At the moment I have exams at university, so I have to study a lot for my Arabic BA, but right after the tests I will start with Welsh. So awesome! Thank you guys so much!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CacenGlas

    !!!!!!!! Dw i'n teimlo yn eitha emotional I ddweud y gwir!!! Da iawn pawb ar y tîm! Dw i'n mynd I gychwyn rwan!!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/barcelonista714

    Diolch yn fawr Tîm Cymraeg! I've been waiting for a Welsh course to come out on Duolingo ever since I started (long before Welsh was even in the Incubator), and I'm so happy that it's here!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LivingDeadSmurf

    woo! I can finally learn my own language, well i speak as they say "Wenglish" but to be able to speak Welsh properly is going to be amazing <3


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rakuganl

    Thank you! The course is great. I'm a native Ukrainian speaker - perhaps, you would be interested to hear that even people from so far away study and enjoy Welsh :) Diolch!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JayBurnett

    Diolch yn fawr am hyn! Nawr i gael dim bywyd...


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JeffA2

    Does the course accept "chdi" or should I steer clear of it?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

    It should accept chdi :)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shrikrishna1

    Just now I started learning welsh. As suggested by you I have gone through the "Welshplus" 'you tube site'. Pronunciation in Welsh is somewhat complicate but systematic in spelling. I really enjoy.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eliyazdi

    Thanks for making this awesome course! After doing a few hours of this, I think I can safely say that Welsh is my new favorite language :D


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/underwood.jones

    Diolch!! This course has been amazing thus far and I am excited to eventually finish the Welsh tree :D I am curious about the multiple choice questions as they keep telling me I didn't select all of the possible correct responses, and penalises me for not choosing forms I have yet to encounter...I'm not sure how to report these because I don't think they're "wrong" I think that Duolingo just hasn't figured out how to keep from introducing you to new words/forms/phrases with multiple choice questions. :-/ I have noticed this from time to time with other language courses, it gets me all the time in German too O.o


    [deactivated user]

      This course is not supported for the Mobile version of Duolingo :( I am loving every minute of what I'm learning though!


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/eino81
      • 2067

      Of course not. Yet. There should be some time, when the app version will be updated. Welsh course is still in beta.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HeruMornie

      Anyway if you use suitable handheld, you can use the website in a browser in desktop mode (if your gadget supports it). At least I do the same, making people looking strange at me when I utter hofficoffies on the train :D It won't work for everybody, I am afraid, but perhaps it helps a friend or two...


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anneke69

      Thank you so much for all your hard work. I hope to be able to finish the tree.

      Will there also be immersion in the future?


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kathdewi

      Diolch yn fawr xx


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nuttyjoon

      Diolch yn fawr , dw i'n mwynhau'r cwrs


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/StrapsOption

      Well done guys, I'm going to have a go at this. Diolch!


      [deactivated user]

        I am trying very hard to not start Welsh now. The SAT is more important, or so everyone says. However, a huge go raibh maith agat for all of this and to all of you.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bellatora

        Thank you SO MUCH for all your hard work and for the amazing speed at which the course went to Beta! I'm going to Wales in May and I'm super excited to try out the Welsh I learned in Duolingo!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sharonevnz

        Falch iawn i weld Cymraeg ar Duolingo!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dpc4909

        Thanks to all the team for this. I'm just starting out, and as I'm not a local currently it's good to see some of the warnings about the pronunciation. Will be moving to South Wales soon, so trying to get some basics under my belt.

        Thanks again - great job so far!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IrishWolfie38

        Been waiting for this course for a while, am currently learning Irish Gaelic. I do find some of the words, so far, hard to pronounce, and unfortunately I can't log onto youtube to watch proper pronunciation. But I am enjoying the course so far, and look forward to learning more as I progress. I do like how it is similar to Irish Gaelic in some regards, or am I wrong in that assessment.........


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethS746001

        It is not so similar to me. Scottish Gaelic however is very similar. As it is an offshoot of Irish, or Gaelic


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Renegatus

        Thanks so much for developing this course. It was my resolution to learn Welsh in 2013 but as courses in London are thin on the ground, I found it hard to start learning. My Gwyneddian girlfriend did well to teach me 1–10 and a few words last year and this course is helping me expand on that. For me, the notes of grammar at the start of each unit are invaluable. Can wholeheartedly recomend that epople learn the alphabet first, or even just how to pronounce the names of places you've previously visited. 'Lann-dudd-no' (in English) is completely different to 'Llandudno'!

        A week's learning and I can already understand so much more of what my girlfriend says. Diolch yn fawr!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

        Dim problem :) Glad you're enjoying it - keep it up :D


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ronscobber

        Thanks for getting Welsh up and running. Just need to learn the alphabet to I can pronounce the words.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

        Dim problem :D There are excellent (if I do say so myself!) introductory notes here which talks about the alphabet and gives you more tips :)


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bochdew

        I'm loving the Welsh course. I'm following the Mynediad/Sylfaen/Canodradd course, but it's good to have a daily test of things I've been learning there to keep me practicing.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AlexPerdue

        Little troubleshooting, the Present Tense 1 has regressed down to 4 and I have attempted to raise it at least 5 times and gotten mostly correct answers and it has failed to revert back to 5, so if you could find the bug here and please fix it that would be greatly appreciated.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MrGWallCymraeg

        It's a known bug at the moment :) If you redo lesson 1, it should get sorted out - a little workaround until Duo fix it.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Saman2000

        Hello. I am enjoying leaning Welsh greatly. One thing that will make learning the language easier, though, would be to have a list of words I've been learning, along with their translations. Since I knew some Spanish before starting Duolingo's Spanish course, the word list was less helpful there. For learning a new language, I think it'd help me a lot. For now, though, I'll content myself with a piece of paper. Besides that, I'm having lots of fun!

        Learn Welsh in just 5 minutes a day. For free.