Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from January 24th to January 31st
Welsh course launched! Congratulations to the fast moving Welsh team and to Team Duolingo!
Self reported course launch dates
Each week, I will be highlighting the dates that have changed. This week there are two change - I apparently made an error last week with the Czech date. The Vietnamese team is most likely playing with us :)
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 28 courses
Welsh for English - 99% | 99% | 99% | Beta!
Spanish for Chinese - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Spanish for Russian - 98% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0) 28-Feb-2016
Vietnamese for English - 93% | 96% | 96% | 99% (+3)
French for Arabic - 97% | 98% | 98% | 98% (+0) 1-Feb-2016
English for Thai - 93% | 93% | 93% | 94% (+1)
French for Russian - 87% | 88% | 90% | 92% (+2)
Swedish for Arabic - 77% | 83% | 86% | 90% (+4) 10-Feb-2016
German for Arabic - 62% | 72% | 77% | 89% (+12) *
Greek for English - 77% | 72% | 75% | 83% (+8)
German for Italian - 81% | 81% | 82% | 82% (+0)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
Romanian for English - 73% | 74% | 75% | 75% (+0)
Hebrew for English - 72% | 72% | 72% | 74% (+2) 10-Jun-2016
Spanish for Italian - 68% | 68% | 68% | 68% (+0)
Guarani for Spanish - 36% | 43% | 52% | 62% (+10)
Swedish for Russian - 61% | 61% | 61% | 61% (+0)
Portuguese for French - 52% | 53% | 55% | 55% (+0)
Swahili for English - 23% | 45% | 45% | 45% (+0) 1-Jun-2016 ^
Italian for Portuguese - 41% | 42% | 42% | 43% (+1)
Russian for Turkish - 41% | 42% | 42% | 42% (+0) 31-Dec-2016
French for Turkish - 40% | 40% | 40% | 40% (+0)
Esperanto for Spanish - 31% | 32% | 35% | 39% (+4)
Czech for English - 29% | 30% | 31% | 32% (+1)
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) 15-Aug-2016 ^
Klingon for English - 21% | 21% | 21% | 21% (+0)
French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Indonesian for English - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
Mean - 2.03% | 1.79% | 1.03% | 1.66% (+0.63)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).
رسمياً قفل المنهج الفرنسي للعرب !
تم اليوم قفل المنهج الفرنسي للعرب من طرف الإدارة وذلك إستعداداً لإطلاقه مع مطلع الشهر المقبل شباط/فبراير. نتمنى أن ينال المنهج إعجاب المتعلمين. حظاً موفقاً وبالتوفيق للجميع
And we're off!
So the course was released in Beta yesterday (26/1/16) and we already have 4,000 learners (27/1/16)!
What we need now for a quick graduation is for users to suggest translations in both Welsh and English and we'll do the rest :D
Y Tîm Cymraeg
The course has reached 100% on January 27th. The Duolingo Team will take it from here to record the audio. Beta will not be released on January 31st as it is the date we plan to reach 100% only. I REPEAT, no beta on or a few days after January 31st. Expected at least a month or maximum 34 years until beta release.
Thank you all for your supports!
640 words, 32%.
Our first update this year! :) (Technically it's the third update, since I had to resize the pictures twice -_-)
We met up several weeks ago, and it was an enlightening experience for all of us! We mainly talked about the new tree version. :)
We don't have a group picture, but here's Duo sitting in a mug! (Disclaimer: No Duos were harmed during the making of this picture.) :)
Slow (mainly due to a really annoying bug in the incubator...) but steady progress. It's coming, but probably not before April/May. Currently we have a (completed) word count of 2358/3000 in 116 (!) skills. (Our starting word count was 1935 and our starting skill count was 64.) In the meantime you can try to guess which words you'll learn in this skill! :)
Tot de volgende update!
~ Team Dutch
And with this Team Dutch earns this week's Star Update Award. Thanks for keeping us informed about your Phase 3 progress!
In five days the course has attracted roughly 10,100 learners; amazing! Please keep it up and keep reporting and suggesting translations to make this the best Cymraeg course available!
Mewn llai na phum diwrnod mae gan y cwrs rhyw 10,100 dysgwr; anghygoel! Daliwch ati i gyflwyno adroddiadau ac awgrymiadau i wneud cwrs Cymraeg Duolingo y cwrs gorau sy ar gael!
as you can see from the graph above, we managed to increase our activity over the last few weeks, due to the new additions to our team. For this week, there is steady progress to report, but I'll keep it very short so I can spend some time working on sentences. :-)
A keen Hungarian supporter suggested to me recently that we should make a facebook group for Hungarian learners on duolingo — as we approach the beta, I think that might be a good idea for people to mingle and exchange experiences!
Back to work now, and a great week to everyone!
Ĝisdatigo | Actualización
La semana pasada predenció un buen avance, el pordentaje es de 4%, pero para que se vea mejor el progreso, desde ahora cada semana verán las palabras e imágenes listas.
737 palabras (de 1882, pero este máximo puede crecer) y 141,imágenes (sin un máximo claro).
Week 34: 26% complete, beta launch 15th of August, 2016
Just for the uninitiated - 15th of August marks the Indian Independence Day.
Welsh course is now in beta! Several courses making great progress including the xyz for Arabic courses. A lot of goodness happening at Duolingo as usual!
p.s. Last week's missed Star Update Award goes to team Welsh who informed us of the date of their launch in advance.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 7th of February at 4:00 pm UTC.
Previous Update 17-Jan to 24-Jan
Very excited for Greek and Vietnamese! (and Swahili too) There are so many amazing languages coming out, I'm going to have to pick up the pace on finishing trees. I mean, I've been on Duolingo since June 2013, and I've only completed the Spanish and German trees. I feel like I should have at least half of these languages I've started done by now.
Anyway, I can't wait for all of these languages and will absolutely try them all at some point, no matter how long it takes.
Since not all of my badges are correct: German is at 18, Dutch is at 13, English is at 8.
I've been on Duolingo since February 2013 and only completed four trees... AND I haven't "taste tested" all the cool languages that you have!! I'm pretty bewildered by those who can complete a tree in a month, since I average over 8 months/tree, and that's after I reduced my average with Esperanto... But no matter, because even with one tree per year, by 2018 I will have finished the Irish and Russian trees :-D Go go slow and steady!
Of course you can go through a tree in a month, but surely you won't learn a lot from it that way :p
That's still faster than me. I've been working on the Swedish tree since it launched and I'm only about 2/3 of the way done.
Wow nice streak. I am also excited for Greek, Vietnamese and Swahili! :D Couldn't agree more.
& as always THANKS JITEN! Best of luck working on the Hindi course.
I've been here since October 2013 and completed a grand total of 0. Don't feel bad about not going so speedily (also can't wait for Swahili to come out :) )
I believe I have been on since August or September of 2013, and it has been a lot. I have completed the German, Dutch, Irish, Swedish, Turkish, Esperanto, and Italian trees.
Welche andere Ressourcen haben Sie benutzt, um Deutch zu lernen? Ich habe Sachen gesucht, um mein Deutch zu besseren.
Who will be patient enough to wait for another 34 years for the Vietnamese course? haha
That's perfect timing, actually. Some old duolingo fans will need something to do in their retirement homes.
While you're waiting, you could move to Vietnam, raise a family, start a new career, etc. :-)
I don't know. Maybe my grandkids and I can learn Vietnamese together. I don't have any yet, but in 34 years, maybe I will!
The "___ for Arabic" teams have all been really consistently impressive. Hats off to them for working so hard to fill an urgent need.
I hope once the "____ for Arabic" courses are finished, we will get "Arabic for English" and/or "Arabic for German".
Thank you so much for your support! I hope that all 3 courses will be satisfying.
You Arabic team guys are amazing and impressive ....arabic people should be amazed with 3 courses completed (almost) at the same time!!
Taloua, did you see my recommendations to you about the release of your course? XD hehehe
Can't wait for the Hindi! I will finally be able to speak my parents language!
The Klingon, Yiddish, and Indonesian teams could start making progress any day now...
Klingon and Indonesian are actually making lots of progress without the percentage saying so. Indonesian is building the tree skills while Klingon has quite a few things down. One of the moderators said he was making a few modifications. Yiddish on the other hand is without a doubt, dead.
Good to hear something about the Klingon course, even if it's just scraps.
I was exited to see the percentage rise to 29% on Saturday, and some said that they saw it at 36%, but sadly, come Monday, it was back at 21%. loghaD said that a systems glitch caused the the jump. :(
I really wish that team Klingon would say something on their incubator page. Maybe "Hey, sorry for the silence, but we've been very busy with the course. Expect the percent complete number to climb steadily from now on.".
You can dream, yes?
Don't worry, the Indonesian course is at 0.9% right now. Full speed ahead, guys, 1% is almost here !!!!
I've become quite fond of the terse Czech course updates. I'm hoping the language similarly cherishes brevity. If so, I'll learn it :D
I've had my sights set on improving my knowledge of magyar for a couple of years -- however, I continue hitting periods of stalling. DL will certainly keep my focus and drive. I'm beyond ready for the course.
Jaj, igen! Én is várom, hogy új magyar szak Duolingón indul, s több ember ismerhetnek erről a nyelvről! Mindennap erre készen állok!
I rented a DVD just after Christmas that had a Hungarian option.
I decided then and there to learn the language, and would have started straight away if the DuoLingo course was available then.
It's such a fascinating language! The more I read/watch things about/in the language, the more I fall in love.
Dear WIU followers, please revisit today's update when you get the chance - I have just managed to complete the post.
A podcast interview with Luis was released this week that was over two hours long (discussion of duolingo was only part of it). One of the key things that Luis said about duolingo's future plans is that they will be adding a “conversation feature” to duolingo before the middle of the year.
Link to the interview, with a further summary and discussion, can be found here:
A conversation feature?! That's amazing! At one point, I thought of something similar to that but only really considered it a pipe dream at best, and now there could be something like it in the near future? In fact, I still have the text file I made where I wrote down that idea… hmm, I think I'll just go ahead and paste it here:
Possibly require students to have a minimum of 5mins of conversation with someone else at least once a week. They DO NOT lose their streak for this if they don't do it. Instead, it is frozen until they complete the requirement. The way it can work is that students go to a 'waiting room' of sorts where they are paired with someone else. Perhaps people should be paired up between reverse courses? For example: a native English speaker learning Spanish would be paired up with a native Spanish speaker learning English. This way, the English speaker can speak in only Spanish and the Spanish speaker can speak in only English and each person will benefit from the experience. Of course, gentle corrections here and there should also be encouraged. Not sure if this is a good idea or not. Maybe there could also be a system in place where users can mark other students they enjoyed talking with as an 'acquaintance' and when they are both online and not busy one could send a request to the other to chat rather than have to go through the waiting room process. From there it would be simple to friend them (and this means that a person's friend list can also double as an acquaintance list. This also means there will likely be a blacklisting system to note that you really do not wish to speak with that person again). While not very practical, maybe whenever a chat is initiated to practice, a third person who is bilingual in the languages could be present for the first 5 mins to moderate the experience and translate corrections if needed. However, this system would only be ideal for a small number of people attempting the tree, and is not likely to be implemented. It can, however, be used as a starting point for other ideas. Perhaps this can be part of an effort to create "Advanced Trees" which will have smaller numbers of people. A Level B or Level C tree could utilize this feature instead, or perhaps the level of your tree determines how limited the conversation feature is? I don't think that's a good idea though, limiting the feature…
So, yeah. Thought of something like that. I can't wait to see what Duolingo comes up with though. I'm sure it'll have its growing pains, but after a bit it should prove to be invaluable in learning a language.
A rough translation of the French for Arabic progress update:
"Official close of the French for Arabic speakers course!
Today the French for Arabic speakers finished on the administrative side, and with that we expect the release in February. We hope that the learners will appreciate the course. Best of luck to all! "
And Greek is now all the way up to 85% already! Yay! The completion date has moved back two months (from Μάιος to Μάρτιος) in the past two weeks!
Here is what they say about it: “The course has reached 100% on January 27th. The Duolingo Team will take it from here to record the audio. Beta will not be released on January 31st as it is the date we plan to reach 100% only. I REPEAT, no beta on or a few days after January 31st. Expected at least a month or maximum 34 years until beta release.
Thank you all for your supports!
Their update a month ago:
Our course will have voice recording for the audio. I have forwarded some voice companies to Duolingo and it is likely that we will have a Vietnamese male voice with northern accent to record. However, it is not confirmed yet.
I'll be more than 60 years old and I can start to learn Vietnamese !! ...in my retiring years...yeah!! :D
: ( Sad Bunny because French for Chinese isn't coming out soon. But, hey, I can wait! I've just gotta be patient. Thanks for making this post. I've looked at all of them.This discussion is worth a "follow". And an upvote :D
I am kind of wondering what happened to French for Chinese? I would be interested in taking it after I learn more Mandarin and I also think it would give a serious influx of French learners seeing how big of a market China is.
Thank you team Dutch for your update - you really deserved the Star Update Award. Now I'm even more excited for the Dutch 2.0 tree!
Hi jitengore, I have a minor request that would be nice if you have considered. In the percent summary, it would help to write some symbol between the percent counts and the estimated completion date, in my opinion. So that it would look like:
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0); 15-Aug-2016 ^
Or - Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) | 15-Aug-2016 ^
The way it is now is a little bit unclear. As far as I'm concerned :-)
The ones I am excited about are Hebrew and Greek. =)
I am super excited for the Hungarian course! I'll definitely join the page so I can share the experiences I've had learning Hungarian up until this point! Keep up the great work guys, this is a really awesome thing you're doing :D
The Hungarian team is making progress, they're just in a situation that's tough to really quantify. They "completed" the tree, but not in a way that was at all beta-ready, so now they're going back and filling in the holes. Last I heard their plan was to make it to beta sometime in the first half of this year.
oh okay do you want to learn all languages I do but I do it 3 at a time
August 15th in South Korea is also Independence Day as well, called 광복절, how would you say Indian Independence Day in Hindi?
Independence Day is called "स्वतंत्रता दिवस". Rough transliteration will be "swatantrataa divas".
It sounds quite pleasant to listen to. Also a question, from my knowledge, Sanskrit is older than Hindi, but do many Indians know how to read and speak Sanskrit?
Sanskrit is very old. Sanskrit was considered oldest of Indo-European language in 19th Century. After Hetite Lanugage was discovered in 20th century, Sanskrit ceased to be called oldest. But still it importance is not lost. Many Classical texts, Scientific treatise, Books on mathematics, medical , astronomy, including Novels, Plays, poems and scriptures of Hindu and Buddhist Sutras were written in it. Oldest Vedic text were written in Vedic Sanskrit which ages around 3500 B.C. Classical Sanskrit are spoken always been spoken temples or studied for philosophical texts, It's dialects finally evolved into different languages in time. There are hundreds of languages in India. In some villages, Sanskrit spoken in everyday conversation. There are about 5000-10000 people who speak Sanskrit. Many could read and understand some of Sanskrit as it is taught in school.
I have heard the Devangari script is quite logical and it is by no means as difficult as Chinese characters. So I am not horribly worried.
Devanagari is an abugida: consonants are letters, most vowels are attached to consonants, from either left, top, right or bottom.
What will be a challenge (and was for me, when I tried to learn reading Devanagari) is the sheer amount of letters (33 consonants, 14 vowels). Also, Devanagari has (most likely) no common root with Western (Greek, Latin, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Arabic etc.) writing systems, which are all derived from Phoenician – you can see similarities between Hebrew and Latin if you squint hard enough, but it won't work with Devanagari. And finally, Devanagari likes to merge consonants into ligatures, which makes some of the consonants change shape beyond immediate recognition:
This is again apropos the above image of Devanagari glyphs posted by Vytah.
Apart from an error in transliteration of ठ (which should be ṭha) under IAST, the rest of the transliteration is correct, but for Sanskrit and NOT for Hindi - so far as a word ending is concerned.
Why? Because Sanskrit is 100% perfectly WYSIWYG and Hindi is a bit imperfect in its phonetic representation through Devanagari. The schwa sound is always absent at the end of Hindi words! So it tells a lie by not showing halant below last letter of the word!
Agree with the points you made. As far as the last point goes, we will keep some of the complex consonant blends for the later part of the course :)
This is apropos the above image of Devanagari glyphs posted by Vytah.
Actually, the letters without a (schwa) should be typed with a halant (a small back slant below the first letter(s)) according to sandhi rule i.e. the rule for joinging Devanagari letters:-
स् + त = स्त
ष् + ठ = ष्ठ
क् + ष = क्ष
ह् + ण = ह्ण
म् + प् + र = म्प्र
I started my language journey by learning Japanese, and I learned both forty-two letter alphabets in a weekend. I then followed with learning the meanings of about 300 Kanji within a week. (Then I died inside) but I think with enough motivation the alphabets should not be too difficult.
I think for me, since I was exposed to a lot of Chinese characters as I was growing up, Devanagari might be on the more difficult side, it could just be the shapes of the letters, but when I tried to study Hindi, I gave up within a week since I couldn't read a single word without taking 5 minutes (similar to Arabic)