When will mandarin chinese come out?
Okay so I know they are hoping to bring out 50 new languages in the incubator within a month but how long till chinese for english people is in the incubater? thanks in advanced!
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Hi, I guess it will take a lot of time before Duolingo releases a chinese course for english speakers. Chinese is much more complex than western languages, you have to learn characters, how to write them, how to recognize them, how to pronounce them (pronunciation is not easy, looking at a character does not tell you how to pronounce it) and you have to learn pinyin as well and four different tones which are critical to the language.
In the meantime, you can give NuliNuli a try: http://nulinu.li/
That is true, the main point may be speaking but really, pinyin can only take you so far. Soon people will be confused by how many different words look and sound the same, you often need the characters to disambiguate. In the end something is better than nothing, I will just have to wait until they figure out how to do the characters.
Hi GiantAndre, glad to hear you liked NuliNuli! If you are a beginner in chinese, I strongly recommend you give a full try to Anki, at least once in your life, and preferably early :). This software made a huge difference in my life for learning by heart things (chinese vocabulary but not only) and still is today (for learning japanese and more recently spanish).
Another tip: when I was living in China, I really had a need to recognize characters seen in the street during everyday life. It was not easy because I could not guess the pinyin and I had to write them by hand on a small notebook. Then I found a great app for that: Pleco on my iPhone. I could handwrite characters and instantly get their pinyin and translation. That was very efficient for learning on the way.
Let me know what you think of Anki, this is really the most important tool for me.
pinyin is not a true part of mandarin; it is just something for westerners so they can pronounce. also, a long time ago, many people had to learn Chinese without pinyin, and it is not considered "true" Chinese to most Chinese people, like me. sorry to burst your bubble, dancindoc, but it's true; facts don't care about feelings. :(
Thanks for the link! I hadn't heard of Nuli. And there are ways Duo could handle it, too, including the Romanized pinyin and picking out correct characters. I understand that strokes are important for writing, and for making sense of things, but I wouldn't expect Duo really to teach writing directly. Anyway, yeah, I'll try out Nuli for now.
25 000 general characters but I dont think they will use all the mandarin characters... Maybe 5 000 or more. Anyway, ok it's more difficult that the english but not soooo difficult ^^ Hopefully it will be available soon because it's difficult to find another application really good like Duolingo... Et bon apprentissage de la langue Française :D
Mandarin is also not as hard as it seems. Yes, it's true that you'll have to learn a new writing system and memorize 3,000 characters to be able to get by in China, but the grammar is extremely simple, and the language is structured similarly to English.
-No Conjugation 我说(Wǒ Shūo/I speak) 你说(Nǐ Shūo/ You speak) 他说(Tā Shūo/He speaks) 她说(Tā Shūo/ She speaks) 他们说 (Tā Mén Shūo/ They speak) 我们说 (Wǒ Mén Shūo/ We speak) etc.
Notice how the verb 说(Shūo) stays the same.
-Past tense In Mandarin Chinese, the past tense does not require changing a word, merely adding the character 了(lè) to the end of the sentence.
我吃 (Wǒ Chī/I eat) 我吃了(Wǒ Chī Lè/I ate)
-No Masculine or Feminine Verbs to stress about Just like English, and unlike many other languages, such as French, Mandarin has no gender for nouns, giving you one less thing to worry about.
-Vocabulary Unlike in English where there are so many words for different things, in Mandarin, new words are simply formed by combining already used characters together to form a new word, called 词(cí)
飞(Fēi/Fly) 机 (Jī/Machine)
Airplane= 飞 + 机 = 飞机 Airplane= Flying Machine
Kind of simple, right?
Yes, Mandarin has 4 tones, and yes, you will have to spend probably a few months to get them mastered, but once you really get into the intermediate level, you'll find out that it's really not that hard after all.
When Chinese does come out, I hope that there will be a toggle for simplified/traditional. I don't study or write in simplified characters, and most resources are simplified as it is... since traditional is just a matter of machine conversion I hope there'll be such an option.
The English course for Chinese speakers is currently incubated with about 30-35% of completion. After the translation is completed, it will be released in beta. From the current speed of development I'd say it will take another 2-4 months. The English to Chinese course will most likely be added to the Incubator after that and, again, it will take some time to adjust it and, I believe, some time will also be needed to add some reading and writing lessons.
I think I can advertise a bit as long as Duolingo does not provide Mandarin:
Goethe-Verlag München (strangely enough, it is for free) – My favourite: Just listen to the language. http://www.goethe-verlag.com/book2/EN/
ChinesePod (registration needed, but it is free) – Practise writing characters and learn vocabularies in dialogues; additionally listen to a podcast, where the dialogues and contained vocabularies are discussed. https://chinesepod.com/dashboard/course
Dorling Kindersley: Get talking Chinese (free PDF and MP3 download) – A book about Chinese. I personally prefer books over online lessons, combined with Goethe-Verlag München (and Duolingo, which is an exception of course). http://www.mandarinchineseschool.com/pinyin/63-easy-peasy-chinesewritten-by-dk-a-very-good-mandarin-chinese-textbook-for-beginners-with-cd-audioes
Chinese For Europeans (completely free) – The section for children is good for the beginning. See short films with easy language. http://www.children.chinese4.eu/
Chineasy (completely free) – Learn some vocabularies by seeing them as images. http://chineasy.org/basics/classes.aspx
I would need speaking experience, such as going abroad where I need to communicate a lot. I don't care how well I can speak, I live in the moment with that, see that I can understand roughly the content of books… actually level 12 is not so advanced. All the real knowledge comes from experience (books, television, real life), I don't have that. I just went on Duolingo extensively for a certain time phase this year and at the moment I got other interests, but I am young, I will always return to learning languages and a c t u a l l y become polyglot.
All the flags might seem impressive, but I am just an extremely curious person, not an expert in these languages.
I also think it's more important to start something, then trying to be actually good in everything from the beginning on. It's obvious that I cannot be good in so many languages, that will take time. We learn better when the material is not completely a stranger to us. Therefore we should skim books and read their chapter overview first, before we delve in, learn European languages with ease compared to Asian/Slavic/… languages and we also get closer to the truth if we see it from different points of view (whereas today most people are trained to be experts, not allrounders, let alone Rudolf Steiners).
Historically German, Polish, English and French were one language. But still, Romance languages: 12 tense, Germanic: 5, Slavic languages: 3-7; Romance languages: 0 cases, Germanic: 4 cases, Slavic: 6-7; Romance languages: some prefixes, Germanic: lots of prefixes, Slavic: even more prefixes. Granted Slavic languages are different from Western European languages as a whole, but not that much.
You should try out ChineseSkill, its an free app for beginners, and the app has been out there for 2 years. They haven't been doing any ads I think. I also follow their FB page. It's amazing how they post those really cute pictures with Chinese vocabularies on it. Funny and helpful!
I've been using ChineseSkill. This is a good app, I'm glad that I made the move from learning Spanish and other languages on Duolingo to learning Mandarin with ChineseSkill. I started before March, but when I got a job working where all of my colleagues are Chinese, I've been learning Mandarin more (most of the time during my lunch breaks). Currently, I'm up to the "Music and Comparison" lesson. It's not very important or urgent that I learn Chinese quickly, so I mostly use it during my lunch breaks. Nevertheless, learning a little bit a day will gradually result in fluency! I love the ability to learn offline, which is a function that is not available on Duolingo, despite suggesting this to the Duolingo developers. In Duolingo Spanish, I got up to Future Perfect. As other Duolingo users have commented, completing the tree doesn't make you fluent in Spanish. This is the same with ChineseSkill. While I have nearly completed the lessons, I still cannot tell what my colleagues are saying most of the time, only picking up some words in sentences, but rarely being able to tell what they mean.
Hi James Ray, I have had experiences of learning Mandarin. Chineseskill and hellochinese are different language. Chineseskill is much more complicated as Chineseskill is entirely focuses of speaking in North China. It is harder to understand and interact with them because they are seriously acquire thick accent and North China is also may have similar Germanic grammar arrangement.
I am based in Malaysia, Malaysia is multi racial country which consist of Malay, Chinese and Indian. Chinese Malaysians are majorly influenced by the southern dialect. It is easier to understand because of the grammar simplicity.However, I recommend to try both Chineseskill and hellochinese because you can be compatible in both regions. In conclusion of that, You may find that Hellochinese would be easier in terms of understanding and interact with others in verbal communication.
This is my review between these apps.
I come from southern China and lived in northern China. I don't think there's this difference in ChineseSkill that you talked about. The Mandarin pronunciation and vocabs in the app are very neutral and standard. They won't make you stand out as a "Northerner" if you're afraid of that.
Of course, all language has regional differences within the country/area. Especially when it comes to China, every Chinese thinks they learned and speak the most proper Mandarin. I would say the regional differences shouldn't be your concern; they might become really amusing when you're in advanced levels.
Well, it's kinda unfair to make this comparison because one app teaches a style of Chinese you're familiar with, right? I'm not from Asia so I can't compare like that. But my Chinese friends have seen me learning with Chinese Skill and say the content there is modern and realistic. Also the games on Chinese Skill are free. Hello chinese wants me to pay for their games though.
Duolingo still doesn't offer a Mandarin course now. My Chinese teacher recommended an app called HelloChinese to me. It's quick, thorough and follows the same style as duolingo. Meanwhile, I use memrise for vocabulary. I recommend you all to check them out.
Here are the links: Apple App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1001507516 Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hellochinese
Lovely! Just today I was thinking I would love to start Manderin but Duo doesn't offer it yet for English speakers.. only four days away. Great timing :D
I recommend you start with ChineseSkill! It's the first app that came out to fill in the place. It has all you need to start with.
The popular theory is that Chinese is just way too different and complicated. The energy and resources developing Duolingo Chinese could easily outweigh the return (in their eyes). Hence is Duolingo Chinese still a mystery.
Make sure you guys give ChineseSkill a try!!! It is the FIRST app that came out to fill in the void as we wait for Duolingo Chinese. The app has perfected itself over a few years. (Ironically, when ChineseSkill first came out, everyone saw it as a copycat of Duolingo. But since Duolingo never released a Mandarin version, ChineseSkill did many people a huge favor!!)
Anyways the app is free and comes with an amazing amount of learning materials.
I cannot believe that the most spoken language in the world is still not available on this site! Myself and (clearly) many others would very much like the course to exist! If anyone with some amount of Mandarin knowledge started one in the incubator, I think that would really help get it started.
Sign our petition? ☺️❤️ https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-create-a-mandarin-duolingo-course
Chinese is open now, but I am really annoyed by one thing... why are there no pictures to help the beginner learn the MEANING of the words, as in all the other languages Duolingo offers? I am not a complete beginner in Chinese as I studied it in college, but for the absolute beginner, teaching only the character for each word, and not the meaning, is all but useless. If HelloChinese can do it, Duo should be able to as well.
I agree with you 100%, it's an extremely important language. Because of it's difficulty with characters and what not though, apparently this is what is holding DuoLingo back in having it set up on their language program. It's unfortunate, but I do appreciate you bringing up LingQ.com. I'm going to look into it. You should also look into "The Chairman Bao". It's like a news website, that's dedicated to teaching you Chinese. http://www.thechairmansbao.com/
By the way, if you're really impatient and don't want to go in the library or somewhat, you can switch via Add a new course to I speak: Chinese and then to English.
I know, it's not the same, as you don't have the Chinese pronunciation and without elucidation (for learners without basic foreknowledge in Mandarin it might be a bit difficult to understand), but – despite new vocabularies – I learnt something, e.g. the classifier 分 for 报纸 or 阅读 instead of 读 or 看 for to read a book…
→ S.O.P.: Copy the character(s) between »“« and »”«, paste it into a dictionary like this one and you get the pronunciation as well as the translation. Perfect, isn't it?
I'm currently doing the reverse course in Japanese with very good results. I'm about 2 months in and have been able to keep it fully practiced. I'm starting to understand more and I'm close to being able to express myself verbally. I'm using other resources too, watching and listening to media content in Japanese, and attending a weekly group with native speakers.
Doing the reverse course feels very immersive and I'm wondering if it's actually a better way to learn than the forward course, which seems closer to conventional classroom learning (something that works poorly for me.) It forces me to think very hard and figure out the grammar and logic like a puzzle.
I also have started the reverse course in Chinese and it seems much easier to me than the reverse course in Japanese, which is perfectly workable. The grammar in Japanese seems far more different to me than the grammar in Chinese, but I'm still able to figure it out, mostly just by repeated exposure to progressively more complex examples, and the trial-and-error of being corrected by DuoLingo (or corrected by native speakers when I am speaking with them).
Yeah, as a native Mandarin speaker, I really wish that Chinese can be added in the course list so that more people can learn it. Yet it's really hard to do so since I tried the "English for Chinese speakers" course and figured that languages that can switch the order of words without causing confusion (such as Chinese) are quite hard to fit into the system. When I was trying to "learn" that course (I know both languages quite well so I was just curious), I found out that it's quite hard for me to get the right answer. Not because I didn't know what the question was asking, but because in Mandarin, a word can have several meanings. Also, sometimes if you switch the order of words in a Mandarin sentence, it also makes sense. However the system didn't add all the possible answers, especially the colloquial ones. So if "Mandarin for English speakers" would be added, I hope this problem can be fixed somehow.
I've been using the Skritter app to quiz myself on words, tones, and characters and I've been really impressed with it. You can see my review here: http://michelleglauser.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/app-review-learning-chinese-with.html
I've applied to be a Chinese incubator but haven't yet got any responses. Maybe they are just establishing a system for teaching something like stroke orders, phonetic script (pinyin or bopomofo), tones (not yet a tonal language incubated; let's see what it's like in the Vietnamese course), or even radicals, etymology (these two are not used in any other languages but I think they are helpful in learning characters) So let's just wait.
I have been holding off on using duolingo for years now due to the fact it doesn't support Mandarin, but would love to use it to improve my skills in this area (my wife and hence full extended family is mandarin speaking -- most don't speak english). I agree with many in this thread when they say not to worry about the written language, which I have little interest in learning (spent 100's of hours, got nowhere...), so if pinyin is a compromise that can get us a module, I'm all for it! :) Thanks for making an excellent product, I hope this input provides some value in getting mandarin on the list...
I just signed....do it!! https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-create-a-mandarin-duolingo-course
Hey, Alan! It is good to have course at least in one direction. I find it useful just to learn new words without pronunciation. It also immerses you better in Chinese language, because you don't see English interface. Anyway I would happy to see Chinese course for English speakers as well. And it would be nice to be able to disable pronunciation lessons for the entire course.
Hello, I posted a feature request to Duolingo that may add some transparency on how the process for a new language goes before we see the course in the incubator - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16494611 Would you care to vote for it? As soon as there are 50+ votes I will try to approach the Duolingo team since I am willing to contribute the feature.
Hover over your username on the right corner of the screen and click on "Settings" from the dropdown. Then on the right side of the screen click on "Learning Language" from the list. Click on "See all Language Courses" and on the page it will take you to find the language you would like to learn and click on it's icon thingy. Then on the language's description click on "Start Course". That will add a language to your account.
I used to study Mandarin Chinese. It's definitely a hard language to teach. If you were to teach it, I would recommend starting with how to pronounce pinyin with accent marks, as well as the Chinese alphabet. Then how to write the characters and what they mean, and then how to write the pinyin and pronounce them. No pressure, just suggestion. I REALLY want to learn Mandarin, and so do a lot of us Chinese Americans out there... hint hint!
Interested in learning Chinese and have fun? Try an iOS app we developed called “ED-WONDERLAND” - a game based and super interactive way of learning basic Chinese! It is also a great tool for learning Chinese characters too!
In Ed-Wonderland, you can －learn Mandarin by passing through multiple educational levels, －learn vocabulary conforming to HSK 1-3 proficiency tests requirements, －click on objects to see what they are called in the Mandarin language, －play with well-designed interactive mechanisms in multiple scenes, －use the Mandarin language knowledge learned to complete different missions, and －save animals from enemies in the Animal Valley!
FYI, from an interviewed gave by staff member to Forbes:
Mandarin Chinese by year-end
The first reason is the amount of dedicated contributors. Once you have enough, you take into account that Korean and Vietnamese are far more "app-friendly" than Chinese. The Korean script is basically like building blocks and you can learn it very quickly. Vietnamese uses a modified Latin alphabet so it's easy to type too, just install the right keyboard. With Chinese, the grammar is pretty easy, but you have to memorize thousands of characters and their stroke order so that will be a huge part of the course. I think the Duolingo team is trying to create a new tree that would be compatible with Chinese. It's also very confusing if you aren't native Chinese to type Chinese on the keyboard, let alone to be able to type it on your phone. Japanese is the same way, as you have to learn 3 scripts. However, it might be easier because you can choose to convert the hiragana to kanji. The grammar of Asian languages is very different than the mostly European languages we have been seeing, but like I said, Vietnamese will be the pioneer for more in the future.
Typing in Vietnamese is a royal pain. Chinese, using the PRC keyboard in Windows, is much faster to get down on paper - I used to type out my homework because it was so much faster than writing. And as for learning stroke order, except for a tutor I had in high school (who also taught us calligraphy so stroke order was rather more important), I can't recall a single teacher that really emphasized that over knowing the actual characters, of which there aren't too many in terms of basics/starting out. And for someone who is good at rote memorization, Chinese simplified characters are fairly easy. If you're good at patterns, Chinese might even be quite easy in terms of reading/writing.
I'm not saying that Chinese isn't hard, nor that any language is easy to set down in programming, but it seems like people overly complicate how difficult learning Chinese can be. Yes, if you're used to, say, the romance languages, then Chinese would be more difficult, but like any language, it merely requires hard work, persistence and a bit of stubbornness. How much more difficult it is over any other language is completely dependent on the individual.
Yes, it actually has more tones than China which makes it harder. I've tried the course and they don't put any emphasis on it at all; in fact you could just type everything out without any accents. Granted, it's still in Beta but they put weird sentences like "I eat the mug" so you could tell the difference between cá and ca ,for example. Tones are essential and I am looking forward to how they are going to teach it. Again, I think the main reason that Chinese isn't on Duo yet is because of its writing system. It's important if you have trouble with the tones to at least be able to write down what you want to say..
There are some "duolingoesque" apps out there. In fact I passed my HSK1 mandarin exam with a 99/100 qualification using ChineseSkill among other study material. My opinion? Duolingo are negotiating an agreement with ChineseSkill or Chineasy in order o use their coding... just like that.
If there was a keyboard which converted pinyin to hanzi that would be great. I think learning the Chinese characters are absolutely essential. Learning a tonal language is very acquired and takes a lot of time to practice listening and speaking. It's very important that people can differentiate them. At least if someone is having trouble speaking Chinese they could always write it out. I just wish they could at least give us some updates.
The Chinese keyboard (that pops up on a general device) functions by letting the user type in pinyin and multiple suggestions for characters will show up. If Duolingo could somehow integrate that keyboard into the lessons, it would be much easier to recognize characters and differentiate them. The typical keyboard also has an option that has keys of strokes. You basically click on each stroke to create your characters. Or they could substitute each stroke with a number. This would probably be slower to type, but might work, I think.
I'm using both Hello Chinese and Duolingo and Hello Chinese I way better. It a) does not mainly have translation based exercises (which are an awful way to learn a language), but also dialogue based questions. b) Has much more speaking practice COMBINED with listening and comprehension (there is a whole lesson only speaking in each branch). c) is possible to use offline d) has a youtube channel where they answer questions, explain grammar and have some extra content such a colloquial expressions e) has flashcards for reviewing. Also Hello Chinese was developed for Chinese learning. Chinese is different from European languages (for examples tones / Characters, sentence structures, a whole different way to think of tenses) and just translating duolingos set of sentences designed to practice something like the perfect tense will not lead to a useful learning experiences.
HELLO CHINESE is an awesome app for Learning Mandarin and is actually created by members of the Duolingo team and therefor follows an almost identical format.
Apple App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1001507516
I found a link to this app by accident on another Duolingo comment page and after one week of using this app I was able to order food, drink and have basic conversation with people at the local Chinese restaurant near my house. After a month I've passed all of the Mandarin that I've learned in almost a year and a half. For everyone who is waiting for Duolingo to create a Chinese course for English speakers I definitely recommend this app.
I would love to be able study Mandarin using Duolingo! I can appreciate the difficulties that must exist due to the non-western style aspects of the language, but surely after two years they've come up with something. Maybe they're having a hard time holding on to contributors?
I actually volunteered to contribute/moderate on the Duolingo Incubator almost a year ago. I only got a thank you message until this point. I was initially pretty disappointed at Duolingo and thought this was some conspiracy to prevent the world from learning Chinese. After reading some comments here, I realized teaching Chinese isn't that easy. Being the only major non-alphabetical language (a logogram, as the linguists call it), there is very little connection between what you see and what you say at the beginning. Getting started is really difficult. All that said, I have quite a few German/American friends, who are very good at Chinese, albeit they all spent years in China. If we don't start, we can't improve. I'm still willing/ready to contribute to a Chinese course.
I really love duoLingo, but I need to learn Mandarin. I have been practicing Spanish in hopes that Mandarin would soon be available. Clearly it is not going to be available anytime soon. I am horrible at learning a new language. Thanks to them many posts offering other Apps that provide Mandarin support. I will now focus on those and unfortunately say goodbye to duoLingo.
So disappointing to be a new user (learning spanish quite quickly, thanks!) and look for your most desired languages and see both of them non-existent. Even sadder to see that they've been requested for several years now, and it looked like there was going to be some progress, but still nothing. Please implement this course DuoLingo, Mandarin is going to be very useful in the future!
Many kids are learning this language in school and need support especially with their coursework, there are very few ways to effectively learn Chinese and it is even more difficult if students do not have a family member that speaks the language. A course in Chinese would help eliminate this problem and provide feasible help to students (and non-students) who want to learn another language.
I think Duolingo is in negotiations with HelloChinese or ChineseSkill (or both) to buy their program. It would explain the lack of info or progress on a Mandarin course, while Japanese and Korean and Vietnamese have been progressing. I hope I'm right and they release a Mandarin course soon!
I've seen reports that they're hiring Mandarin Chinese curriculum builder's now (ad postings online? think I saw it via reddit...). So, depending on how long that takes (quite a while based on Japanese) maybe up to a year or so? Still recommend for serious learners to choose an online tutor for Chinese -- www.tutormandarin.net seems to be the best choice with online mobile tutoring and more. Dictionary apps -- Pleco. Characters -- Skritt.ers Etc etc
Here is a link to a game about Chinese characters. https://www.sugarcane.com/games/mandarin-matching-game-almost-2000-characters
So sorry about that!!! I meant to post the link before! :) https://www.change.org/p/duolingo-create-a-mandarin-duolingo-course
To those who want to learn Chinese! Maybe this will help in the meantime ;)
Check this app out! Similar to duo, but to learn Chinese!