https://www.duolingo.com/Lundgren8

Lack of mutations?

Hi, I’ve studied some Welsh before and practised mutations. I’ve noticed that the course often hasn’t got mutations where I would use them. I wonder if I could get a native speaker or a mod to comment on it.

  1. dau llew (two lions). - I’ve been taught that dau would mutate to dau lew
  2. dydd Llun (on Monday) - I thought that when used as an adverb of time you mutate: ddydd Llun (as in: I drank tea on Monday).
  3. y tylluan - since feminine, should it not be y dylluan? Same goes for the description to the skill with colours where it says tylluan brown in the examples instead of tylluan frown which I expected.

Often words are also introduced in their mutated form, for example dafarn and ddiod so you think that those are the basic forms instead of tafarn and diod.

It would be nice if someone could comment on this. Diolch yn fawr!

February 3, 2016

5 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc
  1. Definitely 'dau lew'.

  2. 'Dydd Llun' - Monday. 'Ddydd Llun' - on Monday. 'Ar ddydd Llun' - on Mondays. Not everybody observes the distinctions all the time, especially in colloquial usage.

  3. Correct. ' Y dafarn' is correct because 'tafarn' is a feminine noun (although it is masculine and 'y tafarn' in parts of Glamorgan!). 'Y dylluan' is correct even if the owl is a male. A few nouns do change gender with dialect, a few with meaning, and a few others change seemingly on individual whim - ignore them for now.

And yes, it is rather confusing to be presented with mutated words out of context! However, if you use an online dictionary such as gweiadur.com, or the iOS/Android app Ap Geiriaduron, these will spot the mutations and point you the right way. Similarly you should be able to look up, say, 'gweld', 'gwelais', 'gweliff', and so on and get gently pointed back to the root verb-noun 'gweld' (to see, seeing).

Mwynhewch yr iaith!

February 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Lundgren8

Thanks for the reply. These ones I know about, but I’m worried there might be words that are incorrectly mutated that I don’t know about. I hope the team will see to this during the beta. Thanks for the links as well. I also like geiriaduracademi.org but the problem is that you have to know it from beforehand in order to look it up. If I wouldn’t have known tylluan was feminine I would have have gone with it.

February 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/avrichard

Flag them with the "report error" function. Anything I've reported so far has been corrected pretty quickly...

February 6, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/HerrArbo

Do you have any external sources that support the claim that tylluan is masculine in Glamorgan? Becuase that's very interesting if it's still treated as such!

November 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ibisc

It is tafarn, not tylluan, that is masculine in the Glamorgan dialect.

November 9, 2018
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