50 XP = Insane?
Am I the only one around here who thinks that 50 XP is far too little to be regarded as "Insane"? I mean, come on: You can do 50 XP in about 10 minutes if you're somewhat familiar with the language you are learning.
If you really want to learn a language you should AT LEAST do 50 XP a day - less XP means just fooling yourself into believing you actually did some practice today. The 1 XP setting is just a really cheap way to not lose your daily streak. I believe the daily streak should be something to be proud of and get motivated by. How can one be proud of or get motivated by doing nothing else than 1 XP every day? "Yay, 560 day streak with 560 XP! Congratulations!"
Personally I think "Insane" should be around 200 XP to be a real challenge even for someone who practices the language every day. The 1 XP setting is complete nonsense and should be removed. I know there are days where we are short on time - but that's what the "streak freeze" is for. ;)
You certainly aren't the only one who thinks that. However, even 200 isn't quite insane, as there are some days I have gotten 1000 XP. I think that 1000 XP should be Insane.
Yeah, I think 200 XP should be the minium for a serious or an insane setting. One some days I am super-motivated to do a lot of XP but it's not a challenge anymore when you're already done after the first 50 XP. After 50 XP I'm only learning for fun but that's not something that motivates you for a longer time in my opinion.
I'm doing the same as JRock_15. My goal is set to 10XP/day because that's reserved for emergencies (like, if my internet connection goes wonky, I get busy or whatever comes up... and I'm no good with the phone app, so one lesson is more than enough for me there) to save my streak.
But I generally just ignore the goal and go at my own pace. I try to do at least 80XP in both of my languages every day; sometimes I manage a lot more. (Granted, there are days when I don't progress at all because all of my points are from revisions. But that's cool, I don't mind going slower with the tree if I can get the lessons to stick.)
To be honest, I'm not sure I'd set a higher goal even if it were possible. I know it'd make me anxious, knowing that if my net connection fails I'd have to suffer through 10 lessons on the mobile app to keep things going.
The "serious" and "insane" settings are just average, yes. But there are probably people who don't have time to practice more for various reasons, and days can happen where you're happy to just check one translation and get that one XP to keep your streak going. It's only a problem if you do that every day, not just on bad days.
I understand your worries but I think we're all too focused on the whole streak thing. I think it's more important that you try to focus more on accomplishing your daily goal instead of trying to keep the streak running. It's a nice indicator that you're being successful (or not) - nothing else. The lingots you get from it aren't that important.
Personally I use this strategy: I try to do my best to accomplish my daily goal every day, but whenever it is not possible or it is 11:50 pm and I totally forgot about it I set the goal to 10 XP per day - just once. The next day I'm back to 50 XP per day. Since the beginning of my streak this happened only four or five times, luckily.
It's definitely true that we're focusing on the streak too much. From personal experience, I started Duolingo in August 2014, but after losing a 100+ streak I was so frustrated that I left the site and didn't come back until last month. On one hand, I want to stop paying attention to the streak and just do the lessons whenever I can... but on the other hand, the streak does motivate me to come back every day. (For example, there's another site I use for French, too, lingvist.io... and I notice I tend to skip days there every so often despite enjoying it just as much as I enjoy Duo.)
Setting the goal lower on busy days and then restoring them sounds like a good strategy! If I wasn't worried about being tempted to skip days on Duo if it weren't for my streak, I'd definitely do that too. But I am, so for the time being I'm good having a low goal set and feeling extremely accomplished when I manage 300/10 a day. :)
but again, why to change it? Why not keep it on 10 and do your regular setting? i have 10 as my daily goal and my average per day is around 100, unless (enter reasons here). What I mean is that changing the difficulty every now and then just introduces one extra step and does not really effect how you study. Cause you are either into learning a language or just keeping the streak for showing off ("you" rhethorical).
I don't mind making goal range wider, it would be a nice idea for those who want to go hardcore-ish or need more motivation for studying. My question is about "changing" thing :)
I agree - I regard 50-100 XP as average. I don't mind that there is a 1XP setting - if there are people who find this motivating, it should be available - but the maximum setting should be higher.
I keep my at 10XP/day. I'm not just learning Italian with Duolingo. I actually get more from using Italian media and speaking it. Recently, I've started to read books. Duolingo is great to introduce the language, but you will not become fluent in any language by using it alone.
First of all having a minimum XP is just that - a minimum. It doesn't prevent you from doing more.
Second, not everyone using DL only uses DL. And if you are serious about learning a language you would be using other means to learn it as well. DL is not very comprehensive and only teaches the basics. And they teach by volunteers with no teaching or translating experience so the quality in their courses are all over the place.
So if someone is taking a course in a language, using several apps, speaking the language with others, has invested in grammar books and other materials, etc they may be doing hours a day. Adding another 50XP on DL for them may be insane.
You're right, it doesn't prevent me from doing more, but what exactly would be so bad about a wider range of XP-per-day settings? Challenge is a good thing. It motivates you to do more exercises than you would do without the daily goal - like a good fitness coach who stings you to do more and more push-ups - much more than you would manage to do if you were training for yourself. Besides, you can always go back to 50 XP or lower if it's too hardcore.
Your hypothetical person could just stick to his 50 XP. Yes, that may be insane to him, but certainly not for the majority. I'm talking about persons like me who don't have an infinite amount of time to learn a language on a dozen different ways. Duolingo may not be a professional tool to learn a language and doesn't offer a very big vocabulary, but every language course includes all important grammatical rules of the language and many commonly used vocables, so you get a very broad insight into the language itself. The rest is just practicing, learning new vocables and talking to some locals from time to time.
Nowhere did I say anything would be wrong with having a range of settings.
I was responding to your requests for opinions and to all the ignorant judgments on here from people who seem to have no interests outside of DL.
I was also not speaking about hypothetical people. There are actually people on here that use DL to supplement the language studying they are already doing.
I agree with you. The insane daily goal should be way higher than it is now.
i say, that maybe like 500 or 1000 xp would be insane. 50 should just be, what's the word, intermediate.
I think the idea is just get you started. Once you begin, most people will do more than 1 XP. So if the bar is low, you say to yourself, aw it's only 1 XP, I can do that!