New course request: Arabic
I am very interested in learning Arabic. The language is eloquent and the words have beautiful sounds (at least that's what I think!). Would it be possible to integrate this into the Duolingo program?
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You can use google's TTS to speak the exercises out loud. There are chrome plugins that go right into this, I'd imagine it wouldn't be that hard...and even if they don't work, just keep google translate open in another window and you can paste the text in and tab over.
The speaking won't be there, but you can just turn off the microphone exercises--I do find the speaking exercises fun but I think the voice recognition is limited and you're probably better off just listening closely (I found once I listened close enough I was able to tell whether I was pronouncing things correctly better than the computer could--it makes tons of mistakes even with languages like Spanish that have very regular pronunciation.)
! السلام عليكم I really would recommend for serious Arabic learning the free so-called "Madina Books": http://www.lqtoronto.com/madinaarabic.html There is free materials (also audio) available. Just one thing: Before one begins with that great books, he has to get familiar with the Arabic script and able to at least read it :) . But I think, by writing "Arabic script" or "Arabic script learn" on Gogle, one should find a great deal of options to get quickly familiar with the Arabic script. Then, by beginning with the Madina Books, one quickly betters his knowledge of script and rapidly dives into the language. There's also English language keys and vocab lists. Have fun with it انشالله! :)
I agree with you - that it is hard - but that I disagree with you - for I find it useful ( though of course NOT ideal ). It is though a resouce. And you need to use extra resources to get you through. It is enormously slow going. But it is possible - is my belief - and I am beginning to do this myself. Hopefully I may write up a blog on this soon. ( Just another of my many dreams ).
I do it by using spread sheets, and referring to information I build up in the spreadsheets - to create a 'ladder' of support to assist me. And also relying on translators such as Google and Reverso.
Does anyone recommend any other translators that are useful between English and Arabic, ( and also French ideally ).
Does anyone have suggestions of other internet resources on the internet that they have found useful to get up to speed on the Arabic script especially ?
I would really appreciate some suggestions.
Leyali, I'm a native arabic speaker. MSA is what everyone in Arabic countries learns in schools. It's also the form of Arabic that you find in newspapers/books and many TV shows. So everyone who went to school should be able to understand MSA arabic and answer with it, even if they seldom use it in their everyday lives.
Maybe it is weird to talk in MSA but not being able to communicate!!! everything around us is MSA school, books,news, and translations, even cartoons for children is in MSA, like i told you the only way you can find someone can't communicate is to be Illiterate maybe, i actually don't understand how people can't communicate!!! my younger 15 year old sister would be able to, maybe the problem is about the high numbers of illiteracy in some Arabic country like my country Egypt but for you to know more than 80% of my discussions on the internet is in MSA and when someone has a dialect that i don't understand very well i ask him to speak MSA but know one really asked me to do so because Egyptian dialect is widely spread it is easy and funny, our movies also have done a big part but believe me you wont need to learn any dialects just to communicate u may need it if you are going to live in Arabic country for sometime if u want to know the culture or fully understand songs and movies that is not in MSA and actually i don't understand how can they teach dialects i never though of it as some thing to teach or learn, MSA should be the first option for any Arabic learner
You should find a way to learn MSA because that is the only way you can communicate with all Arabic native speakers but if you learn a dialect you will limit yourself, as a native Arabic speaker i would say that learning a dialect is pointless for an Arabic learner, there is a lot of reasons why you should learn classical Arabic believe me you will be able to communicate with most of people because they will fully understand you and you can ask them to speak in MSA they should be able to do it if they have gone to school
I don't find it true at all. I did learn MSA at university and could not speak to normal people whatsoever. I learned Levantine Arabic and could speak to people. It is widely understood. The only place that it doesn't work is Egypt, so hey, get a passing knowledge of Egyptian too and you are fine.
I think that's for the better - MSA is for TV and books, but a dialect needs to be used in conversation. Both forms need to be taught to have a comprehensive course.
I am Arab (from Lebanon) and let me tell you something: Arabic is a beautiful language,but it's a tough one too! it is really hard for native English speakers because it has some hard pronounciations, and the grammar is very detailed and needs a lot of concentration... however, I think they should integrate Arabic into the Duolingo program, but they should be really careful with the grammar, as well as they should figure out how they can teach the learners the pronounciations, especially the hard ones!
I can read Arabic! I know all tge letters and all the pronunciations, but my vocabulary is very limited at the moment :) Heres my advice: Learn all the letters in order and then recognise them alone and memorise them. Arabic is writen from right to left so the next step is to look at a word and recognise the letters in their start, middle and end position.
Here is an example: This letter is called Meem م (m sound), and this is called Lam ل ( L sound ) Remember to look at this from right to left! I will only use these two letters and the words I create are not actual words :) just examples so you can understand my simple method/framework for letter recognition. MEEM: •Free-standing - م At the START of a word - مل (See how the letter changed when I added it to another letter! Thats the MEEM in it's initial position. Its little tail tucked up and attached to the nxt letter) •In the middle of a word - لمل (Lam, meem, lam - once again its tail is tucked away) •At the end of a word - لم (Its tail has reappeared being on the end of this word)
That is a small example of one of the most simple and easy to pronounce letters. Some letters look completely different in their initial, middle and final positions.
Another thing to learn is the sound the letter makes, that is shown through these vocalisations that sit on top or underneath letters! Unfortunately my phone keyboard doesn't have these little symbols.
Google the letters and learn them and then research the vocalisation symbols called: kasra, damma, fatha (there are many more but start with those)
Anyway! Getting carried away! Arabic is AMAZING, I would 100% recommend learning it. There are short courses to learn it everywhere c:
Arab here too. It's true that it's a tough language, but nothing is impossible. I agree with you on the grammar part. Also the spelling could be really hard to learn.
However, in everyday spoken arabic the grammar is not that hard. But that's another thing to keep in mind - every arab country has its own accent. We still understand each other, but some words aren't the same and it does sound pretty different. No one actually speaks the written type of arabic on a daily basis, only when you're required to be formal or if you're writing/reading. That's another thing that might be frustrating when learning arabic.
I completely agree with you about some of the pronunciations (personally I struggle with ط ظ ض د ذ). But through practice of pronunciation that can easily be helped. The most difficult part about learning Arabic as a native English speaker is having to learn grammar of another language when many of the same aspects aren't even taught in the States. I have always excelled in writing and grammar, but it was through blissful ignorance. I was taken aback when my ustatha said that even in English, we utilize the same tenses/concepts (simple present, perfect, imperfect, etc). So I basically had to relearn English grammar and the correct terms for everything in order to hope to understand the Arabic tenses, moods, and case markings. But there is hope! I've found Arabic grammar to be fairly similar to English in some regards, and other aspects are similar to Spanish or are easy to grasp (idafa in particular).
hey! if i have the option on a different website (until duolingo starts teaching Arabic), and i want to communicate with my best friend's family (they are Lebanese and Palestinian), which dialect should i learn? please and thanks! (options available: Chadian, Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, or Tunisian)
Phoenician may have been the root, but may not be what blooms. As the relative proportion of the various sects is politically sensitive, Lebanon has not collected official census data on ethnic background since the 1932 under the French Mandate. It's difficult to have an exact demographic analysis of Lebanese people.
Nah, that would also make Palestinians and Syrians "not Arab". Lebanese speak arabic and thus are Arabs just as Somalis and Mauritanians speak arabic and are thus Arab despite being black Africans. Arabic is not strictly an ethnic group. It is a language group that transcends ethnic, religious, and arguably cultural bounds. But I agree, levantine arabic would be the most appealing and easy to learn accent as Egyptian and Gulf Arabic would be difficult to introduce to those just learning the language. Levantine is much lighter and not as throaty as the other forms, plus levantine incorporates lebanese, syrians, palestinians, and jordanians to an extent all of whom are much more populous out side of the middle east than egyptians or khaligis which would facilitate those learning the language to begin conversations with those close to their homes.
PS I almost forgot! Not that long ago a user posted a link to the Peace Corps language courses. There are three dialects of Arabic available there if you would like to get a head start. I am almost certain that Arabic is on it's way to Duolingo. But, that doesn't mean that you can't utilize more than one source along the way to fluency ^_^ Just, don't forget about us :) http://www.livelingua.com/peace-corps-language-courses.php
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Arabic seems to pose many unique challenges to learners in this format. First and foremost, the Arabic language is a Semitic language not related to Persian/Farsi/Dari, Urdu, or Kurdish even though they all - to some extent - share an alphabet and some vocabulary. The morphosyntactic structure of Arabic is the primary challenge, as it doesn't lend itself easily to being understood in terms of affixes or unique endings as in many Indo-European languages. It is a root-and-pattern based language where the underlying semantic bases undergo systematic internal transformation to arrive at a particular meaning.
Secondly, the situation of diglossia between Modern Standard Arabic and the many dialects. MSA, or الفصحى is not spoken by anyone as a conversational first language, and by very few as a conversational second language. A Duolingo course generally focuses on communicative competence, something that MSA is not really going to provide in a situation trying to communicate with native speakers.
As well, the concepts of case and tense are fairly transparent in Arabic, but the (numerous!) derived noun forms and verbal patterns are fairly complex and I wouldn't think they would be easy to pick up through Duolingo's format of learning by example rather than explicit grammatical instruction.
The dialects are widely spoken, but also widely varying in syntax, vocabulary and idiom. In the U.S. at least, Egyptian and Levantine are the most popular to study, but unlike MSA, no standard exists for representing the sounds except perhaps "chat room" or "text message" Arabic which seems fairly universal. Several published texts have attempted to represent dialect in the Arabic alphabet, but this only approximates actual pronunciation as the six vowels (three short, three long) aren't sufficient to describe the phonology of the language as it is actually spoken.
To construct a tree aimed at general communicative competence, one would have to either choose a dialect and adhere to it throughout, or perhaps include several sections like "idiomatic expressions" that were particular to certain regions. It would probably also be of benefit to highlight the root-pattern structure throughout (maybe with pop-ups?) just so the learner gets used to seeing it. I forsee the need for a number of creative solutions to these challenges, but it seems possible. As a linguist and a student of Arabic, I would love to see Arabic come to Duolingo.
Some good points made here. If an Arabic course comes to Duolingo, I can only see it being MSA. I wasn't entirely sure but I believe your post confirms that there is no standard written form for any of the dialects. I don't like the idea of doing a course where you have to write in chat forum Arabic with all the 3s and stuff.
I think the Egyptian Dialect would be great because most people understand that dialect, there are lots of tv shows in that dialect you can use to practice and I feel that once you've got one dialect down, it's easy to pick up the others, plus it's their flag being used anyway lmao.
08/11/2017(°): The course entered the incubator => https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/ar/en/status
(°) 08/Nov/2017, if someone has a doubt in the future.
I'm new, and to be honest, I ... was kinda disappointed not to find Arabic in the courses but they were so many other languages so I picked Spanish and I'm pretty satisfied! But it doesn't mean, that I no longer want to learn it, I would LOVE to cuz it sounds so beautiful when you listen! So i request, plz add Arabic :)
If you're interested in learning Arabic (Modern Standard/Fous7a and some of the dialects) the best online program, that I've used for the past 5 years has been on www.arabicpod.net/, for beginners you can use the basic subscription or log in which is free. I've been a subscriber since they started and found the premium version totally worth it . There is a podcast too! They have several tools to learn the alphabet which isn't that hard, but the pronunciations can be a bit tricky for non-Semitic language learners. I particularly like the podcasts accompanied with PDFs, and Audio-PDFs for premium subscribers. Also Mohamed and Ehab the teachers are extremely responsive to any of your questions on grammar, pronunciation, and culture.
The other great thing about ArabicPod.net, which you unfortunately do not get enough of in DuoLingo, is the cultural context of the language. The Arabic language is laden with Islamic and Arab/Turkish/Persian/Mediterranean histories, ArabicPod can explain things to you that DuoLingo cannot. For example, in many Arabic dialects the word for salt is "Tuz" it also can be used in an insult like "Tuz Feek", the reason is the word originated from Turkish and so using it as an insult can be akin to separating yourself from an once oppressive foreigner... "Tuz Feek" - "Get out of here/Go to heck" etc...
Things you will never fully grasp through DuoLingo alone but the community boards definitely help! Anyway anyone ever wanting to practice Arabic please let me know. I'd be glad to.
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To be clear arabicpod.net is separate from other "languagePod" programs that have a similar name. It is an individual institution that does not teach other languages or part of a larger foreign language company/subsidiary.
Speaking to your critique of not as user-friendly, I agree in the sense that you cannot pull up your phone at a bus stop and start chipping away at Arabicpod.net as easily as DuoLingo. However, the podcasts in conjunction with opening and reading the PDF transcripts are great, and then also the explanations, are what does it in for me. When most of you go to the board for a question the ArabicPod.net podcasts are doing the explanations as to why something is conjugated a certain way or the cultural context.
I also think Arabicpod.net may be a steeper learning curve for true beginners of the language vs. DuoLingo, you may not get that satisfactory feedback, but if any serious learner of Arabic should look into Arabicpod.net in my opinion. DuoLingo seems to be a great platform to being the learning process, that I whole heartedly agree. And have volunteered to contribute even to a DuoLingo Arabic, if they let me!
For anyone who is interested, I found a couple of Arabic courses on a website called Memrise. http://www.memrise.com/course/82825/learn-basic-arabic-2/ http://www.memrise.com/course/53083/how-to-read-arabic/ http://www.memrise.com/course/44611/basic-arabic-vocabulary-1/ http://www.memrise.com/course/82483/basic-arabic-vocabulary-2/ http://www.memrise.com/course/66669/1-5000-arabic-frequency-audio/
There is currently an English for Arabic speakers course being created in the Incubator. Once that course is finished, it will be used to help create the Arabic for English speakers course. You can find out more about it here: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/1426103 (New languages/Incubator)
In addition, you can watch the progress taking place here: https://www.duolingo.com/courses go to "I Speak" and select "Arabic" to see how far along the course is. Another way to see this is by going to http:'//incubator.duolingo.com (amount of course complete is represented by a blue bar, rather than a number here. English for Arabic is in Stage 1 right now.
I hope this helps! ^_^
Hello fellow Canadian :) I am from Ottawa and I speak fluent Arabic and English since they are both my mother tongue languages. I am very interested in learning Canadian French specifically (Québécois). If you want we can both learn new languages as I already taught a friend of mine the basics of the Arabic language and how to engage in simple yet effective conversations. See what suits you and give me reply :)
Gave a lingot ;) . I think it's shocking that languages such as Klingon or High Valyrian (nothing against these) are being developed but there is still no Arabic. I think it is so critical and openminded to learn some of this language, especially with the current large number of refugees in Europe (Yes, I'm aware they don't all speak arabic). I'd urge all englisch-arabic speakers to help out to develop this language when in lands in the incubator as I have been stalking Duolingo for 2 years every now and then, in the hopes of using my account again to start to learn this and judging by the comments, so have several other people. I've never commented before but I really hope this comes through and I really would love to learn some of this. Thanks to anyone who helps contribute to it!
7/8 Months ago I also wanted to learn Arabic, but there are simply not enough resources to help you achieve that goal.
I even joined Arabic class at a fee of £210 for only 10 weeks and I use to travel quite a long difference from my house, which is right outside the outskirts of London to Oxford Circus (Central London); and on top of the that it was expensive to go to central London.
BUT, THE EXPERIENCE WAS AWFULL! if you are reading my comment please don't waste your time and money in joining beginning language classes, for the first 5 weeks I learned only few basic words (house= dar, raqam= number, madina= city) and I have already forget rest of the words I Learnt. So, then mid-way through I left the course
But, when then joined Dualingo because I got this new passion to learn Spanish since I had to learn new language due to the requirement of my University degree. What I have learnt in the last two months I Have not even learnt 5% of that when I left Arabic Classes.
So, if Dualingo started this course it would be great, bear in mind my story might suggest that Arabic is hard but it actually depends on how effectively you learn it; which should be through self-teaching.
That was my experience as well. Two years of MSA didn't enable me to really do much with the language, but I learned a lot of grammar and some basic vocabulary. The third years started making a difference. Independent study and speaking to native speakers was much more helpful, but still... maybe it isn't super difficult, but it just takes a long time, especially compared to other languages. That, and you have to be willing to put in a huge amount of time on your own learning as much vocabulary as possible. Three key qualities to cultivate when learning Arabic: initiative, patience and flexibility.
Ok, maybe my message sound more harsh than I wanted to. I know that releasing is not a joke. But as arabic seems to be avoided in official declarations, I was just curious to know why was that. Duolingo is a huge project, and the fact that is free make it bigger, so I didn't want to criticize anything.
Edited: I am sorry I got so defensive. Questions are welcomed to be asked here. However I know all those creating the courses are trying to deliver a quality course as quickly as possible. I do know that different scripts also have technical challenges as well as 'language' challenges. It is the desire of all involved to produce a course as quickly as possible - but to also provide a quality course. And there can be issues that need to be addressed with every course - that can make it hard to predict when it will be released. I know we all appreciate it if people can be patient as issues are worked through as quickly as possible.
Again - I apologize and did not mean to offend you either.
It seems like you're talking about the course as if someone is actually working on it. Did an Arabic course begin in secret? As far as I'm aware from checking incubator, work on an Arabic course hasn't even begun...
I get that there are many challenges but I simply can't buy that it just couldn't be started because of the script or because it's such a different language (especially when another Semitic language was finished long ago and many languages with different scripts are in the works).
If work on an Arabic course begins I will be the last person to complain that it's "taking too long". Making a course is challenging and I understand that.
However, for as long as an Arabic course isn't even started and the so-called reasons are non-sensical (different script or whatever when other such languages are finished) I won't understand so well and will probably even complain.
If someone gave a valid reason why Arabic work hadn't started (like that they know once the course if finished many people will quit because whichever dialect is chosen will inevitably displease many people) then I wouldn't complain about that. But to give no reason not to start such a huge and in-demand language is highly annoying. And to say that having a different script and it being a Semitic language means Arabic can't be started, but Hebrew is finished, is ridiculous.
Question about the (possibly upcoming) English to Arabic course: I've been reading about the English to Hebrew course in the incubator and see that it's been going for at least ~2 months, and will take ~another 6 months. That all makes sense to me since this is non-trivial to do a good job.
I speak Hebrew (or did at least) and read & write it, and when switching alphabets and direction of writing/reading, it does bring new factors into play. My question is this: Do you start a new course by doing an "english phonetic" version (which would by itself be very useful) first and then doing the actual alphabet-correct portion? I'm just wondering why Hebrew would be any easier than Arabic. To my knowledge of each, they are somewhat similar (please, no one take offense, I just mean that there are some commonalities, not that they're interchangeable ;;).
I think teaching the alphabet from the get go it better than using English Romanization? Or did I misunderstand? Probably lmao Anyway, it's good because they can practice reading through the whole rest of the course. Really will force them to know and understand and get that out of the way. It's not difficult anyway.
I fully support the request to make available an Arabic course for English speakers. I realize that there are technical difficulties as the structure is different from European languages. However, the structure of Turkish and Hebrew are also very different from European languages, but these problems have been successfully overcome. Since the sad demise of the livemocha community the need for crowd-sourced language learning has become more vital than ever. Community led initiatives are more permanent and durable than those led by individuals or motivated by financial considerations. At present there is a much greater gap in the availability of Arabic courses than for European languages, especially where free courses are concerned. It is a good time for Duolingo to develop it's structures to facilitate the learning of a greater variety of languages and be more able in the future to fulfill it's goals of not only making major world languages available to learners, but all languages for which there is a demand. Good luck everyone!
I really want to learn Arabic. I'm a native English speaker and am passably conversant in French, and if I could learn Arabic, I would be able to communicate with a very wide range of people across North Africa and the Middle East, which is an area of the world I'm very interested in traveling/working in. I'm really surprised that Duolingo doesn't have an Arabic course - it's a language that a lot of people speak. I love Duolingo's French course, but when I see that Duolingo has more progress on a Klingon course - a fictional language which is not anyone's native language, nor is there anyone who can speak only Klingon - it really makes me question Duolingo's motives and relevance.
Duolingo has recently released their new flashcards app called Tinycards. The people of Duo seemed to be busy with that to challenge competitors such as Quizlet and Memrise.
Also I think another reason why there isn't a Arabic course for English speakers because there needs to be volunteers, and when I mean volunteers they need a team who can do both Arabic to English translation properly in the MSA format (because there are many accent variations of Arabic) for people who are starting to learn. Even if Duolingo doesn't have the course it depends all on the person if they REALLY want to invest and learn the language-I was bummed out too-but I didn't give up on a language since my favorite website doesn't offer it. I went to my local library and city library for books, watch telenovelas in Arabic, go on Tumblr masterposts, and do more things to immerse myself in the language.
This thread is two years old. TWO YEARS! I came here about five months ago or so just to read commentary, I wonder what happen to other people who came on here a couple years ago. Like have they ever learned Arabic, or did they just given up?
I agree with you on the volunteer thing, there were some people on this thread who said that they applied to be a volunteer-but reading the time they posted the comment it was before the Arabic-English course have graduated from beta. And around that time on this thread and a couple of others there was speculation that after Arabic-English there is going to be an English-Arabic course.
Also on the accent part-I know its unnecessary to learn the accents. Although in various regions/countries there are different words for things that can mean something in one country and mean nothing in the next. Like in Latin America, Spanish is spoken-but if you come to Honduras with that European Spanish accent talking about a 'concha' you'll get a surprise-and its not good.
Like in different Arabic speaking regions do they have their own slang that are different from other regions/countries?
Yes, for sure, But!!
If you speak the ORIGINAL-FORMAL Arabic, then everyone in all Arab regions/countries must understand you. But -you know- the slang words are more familiar and it's commonly spread, not only in the Arab countries but all over the world -just as you've said- so, about Arabic course her on Duo, It's so easy for All Arabic Speakers from all Arab countries to get volunteered and take part in making and setting this Course up for the English speakers ..
It will be nice for everyone to do so. I can imagine possibilities of how the course could be made such as having a MSA to start for beginners and then other subdivisions for Arabic if people want to learn a specific accent. Though that's just the imagination wondering about the Arabic course.
Even though it seems so easy for all Arabic speakers from various countries to take part and volunteer I think we have to keep in mind that people are preoccupied with other things: family, work, school etc. and also when people think of volunteer they could think of "doing work for free-" but that's my presumption on reasons why people are not volunteering.
In addition, probably the Duolingo has something else in mind other than Arabic, their focus is on the courses that they have now.
I'm game. I am great with French for an American and would love some Arabic.
Arabic is difficult, but very beautiful language at the same time :"") I think you can look for some other websites to learn Arabic, till it be available on duolingo :) And I think you can find very helpful videos on Youtube :) Unfortunately I don't know any website can help you, cuz I am a native speaker ^^" Best regards ^_^
As a native Arab speaker, I have found Arabic to be the hardest language to grasp. There is proper Arabic and modern Arabic (What you usually hear is modern Arabic. Arabs don't speak proper Arabic with each other, but they know how to). This causes mass confusion since we sometimes can not understand each other due to our dialects. I would say Arabic is different from any other language and the best way of learning it is by means of conversation with a native speaker.
Now that the English for Arabic speakers has been out for a while, is it likely that there will be Arabic for English speakers in the incubator soon? Or no? I would really love to try to learn arabic, I have been doing some studying elsewhere but it would be great to have on Duolingo.
I'm learning MSA, but I'd like to see Egyptian Arabic as well. Maybe, in the future, we'll have a course for each dialect. I want Arabic for Portuguese speakers too, and I'm going to request Hebrew for Portuguese. If you wanna learn أَلْعَرَبِيَّةُ then MSA will be a guide for the dialects.
I strongly recommend checking out : https://www.duolingo.com/comment/15014194
And I think I will now head off to bed, as I think I am a bit grumpy at the moment. I am sorry for that.
I do hope you do get involved in helping us create amazing resources and helping our language learning community in what ever capacity you can.
Feel free to drop by and ask me questions as well. I would love to get to know you more.
Sending you kind regards, Goodnight for now.
Arabic Language of the most beautiful languages and it's the language of the Koran and it's easy to learn and I love it in large greatly Let us in order to learn , I speak in Arabic is true , but I want to learn , because not everything I know about Arabic Language , I want to know everything about it is my that I love
Thanks for the input. I was thinking of "just" reimplementing some of the key functionality in a simplified version of the app, but, of course, some of that functionality is pretty complicated (the syntactical and lexical versatility of the learning engine, otherwise it's just another flashcard-like app)
Maybe, but as far as I know, no one from Duolingo has actually chimed in on this very long topic thread, so we have no idea what they need to make it happen. I would be willing to contribute, but I doubt the reason is financial.. I'm sure there is no shortage of Arabic speakers who would be willing to help design this course for free. It's just weird that there's still no arabic, considering it's the fifth most spoken (native) language in the world.
Thank you for the hint. However, I think, for serious Arabic learning the free so-called "Madina Books" are a very good option: http://www.lqtoronto.com/madinaarabic.html There is free materials (also audio) available. Just one thing: Before one begins with that great books, he has to get familiar with the Arabic script and able to at least read it :) .
I would love for English to Arabic to be added. I have been struggling through the Arabic to English. course but even still, I consider it a superior method to any of the other online options I have looked into because even many of the paid courses have a very unsophisticated interactive capability. So if anyone else is too impatient to wait, the reverse course is a very difficult option b (option ب), but it is there, and if nothing else, it will make learning Arabic via an actual English to Arabic course a lot easier and quicker once such is available to you (once it is added to Duolingo for instance). The big difficulties are the grammar (the grammar lessons in the course are all in Arabic so you will have to hit the library or just look around online) and pronunciation. For the latter, I would tentatively recommend Google Translate, though only because I have not found a better pronunciation tool. I am rather distrustful of some of its pronunciations, but, again, I think it is probably better than nothing at all. If anyone knows of a better tool that will read back Arabic typed into it, please post the name.
On a similar note, if anyone was interested in Japanese, the reverse course works much more smoothly just by the nature of the language. The grammar is simple and pronunciation is fairly straight forward; the only difficulty is kanji, but they are no more or less difficult whether you are learning English to Japanese or Japanese to English. Chinese to English seems fairly smooth as well, though I am not very far into the course.
My father is Arabic and he wants me to learn it. I wasn't raised in my home country long enough to learn Arabic at all. I would love for duolingo to add Arabic to the program! It's a beautiful language and a lot of people at my school are foreign and they can only speak Arabic. I would love to communicate with them and my relatives from Libya.
It depends on what you mean by "good Arabic course." There are several out there, most of which do not go much beyond basic phrases and vocabulary. Arabic is quite challenging to put together coursework for in the grammar-translation methods usually employed in online learning.
I can recommend Memrise for learning vocabulary, but the best resources I have found for learning the mechanics of the language have been books and working with native speakers. Honestly, after three years of study I can tell you it takes some serious commitment of time and resources to gain any kind of competence in Arabic.
Feel free to message me, I can probably work up a list based on your learning goals.
There are some emerging resources in this regard.
These folks have produced the following document in multiple spreadsheets:
There are targeted Memrise courses but, of course, much of the vocabulary related to the crisis itself in Arabic is rather technical/advanced:
I hope that helps in some way. The refugee crisis has resulted in the need to assess solutions to many diverse problems, social, cultural, and linguistic. Thank you for wanting to help, and believe me, even if you only learn some basic pleasantries in Arabic, it will be enough to bring some ease into situations where people are at the limits of their humanity.
It is all about resources and complexities. Languages that have evolved over ten or thousands of years with a huge vocabulary and complexity that has accumulated over that time, are a bit different to one created in a blink of an eye. Rest assured - all the teams involved are working hard to produce quality courses as soon as they can be released - including klingon, and Arabic, and many others besides :D
Oh, it seems an old request, and no reason for duolingo to prevent it. I don't think there is not at least ONE qualified person for this job. To learn any language you need to practice speech, you need to hear how it is pronounced and let the teacher correct your mistakes. You need to talk to people, it is not enough to read about it or learn it from a recorded video. I suggest that people who wants to learn Arabic find native Arabic speakers who are willing to teach and learn together on Skype, line, or any other way possible to see and hear how the words are spoken. I have my Facebook link on my profile for serious people.
I hope that there will be courses in duolingo to both speak English or benefit of any other language you are wonderful this language, there must be courses from English into Arabic and other languages into Arabic so it will be great / I'm going to join in the building of this curriculum and all to speak Arabic so that the rest of the people / Ahmed Hosam i am Egyptian
آمل أن تكون هناك دورات الدخول إلى كل من التحدث باللغة الإنجليزية أو الاستفادة من أي لغة أخرى كنت رائعا هذه اللغة، يجب أن تكون هناك دورات من اللغة الإنجليزية إلى اللغة العربية واللغات الأخرى إلى اللغة العربية لذلك سوف تكون كبيرة / أنا ذاهب ل المشاركة في بناء هذه المناهج وكل التحدث باللغة العربية حتى يتسنى للبقية الشعب / أحمد حسام أنا المصري
Hey everyone, I think that Arabic is a very beautiful language and I admire the way it is written in the cursive script, that's just so eloquent, I would like to request the duolingo staff to start this course, also adding a dedicated course that will teach us to write Arabic will be great, because this language is like writing cursive alphabets in English and is not easy to comprehend at first. PS- I love this site, so many languages to learn, hey what do you think of a ficitional languages, I think duolingo should have some dedicated courses for ficitional languages as well
Well you'd have to do each separately. Each has a fully developed grammar, vocabulary, etc. For example, Quenya was largely influenced by Welsh, but Klingon was designed by taking the least common structures available in order to create a truly alien language. But I'd love to see them work on some of the other ones.
It would truly be amazing to learn arabic as it is my dream language. i find everything about it to be so beautiful from the writing to the sounds. I have learned only a few words through friends here and there but I would love for duolingo to have an interactive program for english native speakers to learn with. Yes, it is a very difficult language but anyone who truly wants to learn will definitely put in the hard work and effort to succeed.
I am happy to contribute, if possible! Arabic language is ignored at latest years, and the reason is ISIS. Arabic through without ISIS is a must skill! Arabic is in top 5 most spoken languages...Plus, a bunch of literature, music and arts. The culture of Arab is endless! I am just worry that even if I learn such a bright language it will be useless, since I am a girl and arab countries seem to hate girls.
I hope Duolingo adds Arabic but I understand that it will not be easy to teach as part of this format. I have found some excellent learning resources. First to learn to read: www.arabicreadingcourse.com After that I have been studying the excellent tutorials on YouTube by Easy Languages - they do a course in Easy Egyptian Arabic and Easy Arabic (Jordanian). Also there is the Saifi Institute for Arabic Language which does lessons on YouTube (this is Lebanese Arabic). I also found the excellent site WeSpeke where there are thousands of people around the world wanting to improve their English and can help you learn Arabic (or any language). All these are free. I hope this helps. حظ سميدا - think that's good luck!!
Just here to give my support to Arabic for English speakers. I've learned a bit already through another language learning product from Assimil but Doulingo works much better for me. We have English for Arabic speakers and Hebrew for English speakers so it would really fill a gab here on Duolingo.
Arabic is a very useful language in this world and I think that it should be offered on Duolingo for English speakers. I know Duolingo is busy with a lot of other stuff so that is why we need people who can volunteer to contribute to an Arabic course. I would love to learn Arabic! Please, anybody who speaks English and Arabic, can you please contibute. Thank you in advance to those who see this post.
Yes, please, please, duolingo, add standard Arabic (for English speakers) to your list of languages. Judging from this forum there seems to be plenty of interest. Additionally, it will help people in the west understand Arabic speaking people in the near, middle and far east better - something we need urgently, in my opinion. So, please, please, add it. Shukran!
Now more than ever we need to bridge the gap. This language is a must have for the Duolingo language offerings. I know it would be hard, what with it having the spoken and written competent that would need to be taught. I hope someone out there who can will help with the incubation process to make this a reality.
Egyptian or Syrian (also Lebanese) are the widest understood dialects. You shouldn't do Moroccan as it is one of the least known dialect in the Arab countries...also I see you're studying French, a GREAT number of Moroccan ppl know French..I mean if you want to interact. But learn MSA first, this only is the true Arabic language (in the modern period).
Have you considered putting in an application to the incubator ? Make sure you include information about which language is your native language, and which ones you are proficient in - including of course your dialects that you are proficient in.
As well - if you are keen, then help people out in the forums - as this may also form part of your assessment quite often.
While this is a bit off topic, some people have posted some really interesting information about putting an application in, etc. here Press on the light gray word here , and it will take you to this discussion post.
Thanks for your offer, and I look forward to seeing you around the forums :D
I hear some people talking about how there are so many Arabic dialects and no standard Arabic and how this would be hard to learn the language. Well Standard Arabic does exist and it's called Fus-ha. It's the Arabic kids learn in school, its the working dialect for most Arabs.The Middle East isn't that disorganized guys.
I am not replying in any official capacity for Duolingo, but I have every trust that what can be being done here is being done - barring a huge influx of cash to throw at bringing additional reverse trees into being, that could then be used to employ the resources to increase the speed of delivery. Although at the same time there is a limit to the speed that a course can be developed, and throwing too many people into the mix can slow the progress of a courses development down.
Your patience is appreciated in this regard. And no deal of pleading - without commensurate resources coming to hand - I think will speed up the process. From all I see - it is the desire of Duolingo to deliver as many quality language learning trees into the world as it is able.
HOWEVER- please note - if you are competent in two languages that are not yet released/completed, I would encourage you to apply to the incubator - to provide your resources to assist.
To do so, put your application in here
I studied Arabic for ~2 years almost a decade ago, but it has been hard to actually use it...so sad to say, I'm losing it just like I lost my French and what little Spanish I used to have. Duolingo has helped me get some of my French back (I really need to work harder because that was almost 2 decades ago...) and I'd really love to find a efficient and convenient way to get back my Arabic, and not lose any more.
As a native English speaker I have managed to learn the Arabic script including linking letters together, without too much trouble. People learn Arabic successfully, there's no reason it can't be done on Duolingo. I would like to see Modern Standard, but it could just as easily be Egyptian or Iraqi Arabic, or whatever. Depends who designs the course I guess. If you learn Californian or London English as a second language and then go to Glasgow, you won't understand anything till you've been there awhile. It's the same with many language dialects. You hopefully learn the most standard or neutral version, then pick up the peculiarities of a country's dialect when you go there.
Arabic is hugely important in the world today, the vehicle for an enormously varied and rich culture. The only problem is the variants, from the Levant, to the Gulf, to Egypt, and then the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia). But a course on Modern Standard Arabic would be a good start
I wish they would add an Arabic course on Duolingo as well, to supplement my in person course. However, since they have yet to, I signed up for www.preply.com They have Skype tutors available for as low as $3/hour. My tutor is EXCELLENT and we meet 5 times a week to go through a cirriculum of writing, reading, speaking; I also get homework to review all week. I'd highly recommend the site. Also, memrise.com has some good tools for learning the Arabic alphabet.
My dad is from Algeria and he knows 7 languages I need the Arabic course so I do not have to go back to actual Arabic school which sucks. I can read and write fluently and know a little but I do not understand or speak it. I have had the accent down since I was like 5. I need this course.
If you still haven't found an alternate way to learn Arabic FSI language courses have an Arabic course, I do not know how good it is but the US government delveloped these courses and I know that the Swedish one is pretty good. They have the textbook and the tapes that go with the textbook for free on this site: https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/
I know I'm two years late but I hope that if this doesn't help you it will help someone else!
till the web site make a courses for Arabic i make videos on YouTube and this is the first one حتي يقوم الموقع بوضع منهجا للغة العربية انا اصور فديوهات فى اليوتيوب وهذا اول واحد
i will make more in the next days if you like my videos subscribe and follow my page on Facebook or in google+ you will find it by name "How to speak Arabic" سوف اقوم بعمل المزيد فى الايام القادمه واذا اعجبتكم فديوهاتي اشتركوا بالقناة او تابعوني على صفحتي فى فيس بوك او جوجل+ وسوف تجدونها بأسم " How to speak Arabic "
Yeah, I know. I've been following this thread for about 5 months to read more comments of people who have been waiting for the Arabic course. I want to learn Arabic as well on Duolingo, although I don't see that happening in the near future in the English speakers course-but I am learning it anyways on other websites & books & various resources.
Easy to learn Arabic Language is not very easy, but it is good. There is an important need to know if I learned Arabic Language would be easy to talk in classical Arabic a few of them and the Arabs speak the language of classical Arab they will understand you if I spoke to them in Mandarin but will not be understanding if they talked with you because there are those who speak the dialect and the Syrian dialect and the Iraqi dialect Egyptian dialect UAE every Arab state has a special tone where there are some words differ radically different from the second State
You can apply to contribute. Hover your cursor over your username on the duolingo task bar, click on "Help," select "How can I suggest a new language course?" under "Incubator," then click "apply to contribute." Fill out the application there and they will reply to you by email. I'd contribute too, but I'm not sure if I'm fluent enough since I'm not a native speaker. Good luck! Shukran ya tayyib!
السلام عليكم! I also do hope that you Duolingo guys will add an Arabic course. I firmly believe there is both a big demand and a big community of Arabic speaking helpers. Let's remember that Arabic is one of the world languages, one of the UN languages, is spoken in many countries in Africa and Asia, and also is the language of the Koran, belonging to the "second strongest" religion, Islam.
This course will very unlikely be like other courses in Duolingo, mainly because Arabic is a RTL (right-to-left) language. The issue lies on keyboard configuration and all. We would probably have to do all of our inputs through a "virtual keyboard" on the screen I suppose. I'm very curious on how they will pull this off.
That actually will likely not be an issue. As someone who switches quite often between English and Arabic keyboards, I can tell you it is very simple to install an Arabic keyboard on Windows. Any issues there might be, I doubt Duolingo cannot resolve them considering there is already a Hebrew course available here (a language which is also written from right to left.) :)
Not actually true! The letters are what they are, meaning there is only one form in which to write them, and they are connected automatically within words when writing with an Arabic keyboard typesetting. Totally different from Latin script, so it can be a bit deceiving but I assure you it is not as complicated as it looks.
I think that 3 years of not yet addressing an Arabic for English speakers course in the incubator means the following:
1- The diglossia never-ending debate, which brings us to point no. 2.
2- The course structure hasn't gathered any unified agreeableness; I, nevertheless, don't find any discussion about what should the course structure be, although we can find some comments make suggestions.
[If you want to discuss what the course structure should be you can see this discussion
3- The course tree is expected to have more skills and checkpoints than any other existed course here, meaning that it needs more resources and technical effort, and maybe, new incentives (like Doulingo's Clubs) to make users more likely to still being active with the course.
Note: the English for Arabic speakers course graduated from beta.
we are waiting for an arabic course on duolingo, there is already a russian course for english speakers which also uses a different alphabet from latin. so i think arabic letters will not be a big issue for duolingo. i prefer modern standart arabic, not egyptian or moroccan dialects.
I would love to see MSA/Arabic for English speakers! Especially right now as communicating with the Islamic and Middle Eastern world is important...
If you know MSA and can contribute to development, PLEASE CONTINUE to contact them. Maybe the more interest/requests they get, the more they will move the idea forward ^^
I agree. Arabic is a major world language, used by many speakers of one of the world's major world religions. It is also a beautiful language that has a huge body of poetry and literature to its name. It was, after all, the language of the scholars who contributed greatly to the development of algebra. It was the discovery of ancient Arabic texts in the cities of Cordoba and Toledo that, in part, brought Europe out of the Dark Ages. There should definitely be an Arabic language course added to Duolingo.
Please add Arabic for English speakers! Arabic is my second major in college but the way it has been taught is sooo different from the way I've learned other languages. The way Duolingo works really helps remind me of the basics of a language and strengthen some of the foundation. I've been utilizing the learning English for Arabic speakers but it just isn't the same! Please create this course
Currently there is no plan to add Arabic. there are a few reasons from what I gathered:
There are many dialects of Arabic, they don't want to choose one over another. There is of course Modern Standard Arabic but that is not used in daily speech at all. Some say that MSA is to Arabic as Shakespeare is to English.
The Arabic script is not as straight-forward as the Latin or Cyrillic alphabets. each letter has up to 4 different forms depending on its place in a word (initial, median, final, or isolated). the Arabic script is similar to cursive writing, so imagine learning English only with cursive writing. If that wasn't enough, the Arabic script is an Abugida, meaning (overly simplified) that most of the vowels are not written. This makes the Arabic script harder to learn.
Arabic grammar is very complicated. It's quite similar to Hebrew (Which does have a Duolingo course) with lots of inflections and conjugations, based on gender, possession, 1/2/3 person, singular and plural, and so on. This is even more complicated than Hebrew grammar.
Hebrew is also an Abugida and has a terrible grammar system, but it has a single spoken dialect and the forms of the letters does not change. Its grammar is also a little simpler and so this is why there is an Hebrew course but there will not be an Arabic course in the near future.
+1. add me to the list of people who want an arabic course. I would like to learn it as my first difficult language after i conquer esperanto spanish and french. I would prefer arabic instead of going to mandarin or Russian. Also I'm going to start a new page for irish gaelic. there is beautiful poetry we are missing in the irish language.
Why would you assume "everyone" is thinking the same thing? If I had to guess I'd say about a third want to learn MSA, about a third split between varying dialects, and about a third aren't thinking either way because they aren't aware about the Arabic dialect situation, they just think "yeah, Arabic! That sounds cool!"
I'd prefer them to put a variety of courses for different dialects but that's obviously not gonna happen so they should so MSA because the plurality will undoubtedly want that over any individual dialect.
I'm with you, I just asked this on another thread and got some good replies worth checking out. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/22472742$comment_id=22476231
For some reason I like learning difficult languages such as Chinese. I stumbled upon this site and found it to be very useful. I believe that learning Arabic would be fun. And if it is added on this site, I believe that would make it even more fun, second only to learning it with a human teacher. Thanks!
I would like to add my vote for modern standard Arabic (MSA). Or at least levantine or Egyptian Arabic (the dialects with the most native speakers) It's not just that it's an interesting or beautiful language (which it is) but that it opens up a huge door for being able to talk with a large part of the world. Hope it gets started soon.
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All the languages and names of the things like tree animal human war peace etc. are descended from God, no human can create a whole language with its grammatical rules, this is why I learn as many languages as I can. This is what I learned from Islam, this religion helped the humanity with the knowledge of chemistry, astronomy, biology, life and much more. Learn and open your heart. STOP the hatred.
Arabic is super similar to Persian which I can send you a link to learn.
You are more correct in this discussion. They are from completely different families, giving them different grammar, syntax, morphology etcetera.
Also, Farsi takes its Alphabet from Arabic (more letters in the former) and also borrows a significant amount of vocabulary (especially verbal nouns) but that's where the similarities stop.
I would not recommend learning Farsi only to come around to Arabic later - not even when learning the Alphabets; as I said Farsi has more letters and those that are similar are pronounced differently.
I'm familiar with all of this, but Farsi seems to be extremely similar to the Romance languages, making it great for getting into Arabic, Urdu, and other languages with that alphabet when you speak something Germanic or Romantic.
That was what I was referring to, but I don't know all of the languages that use that alphabet and for all I know some are totally different from that and would be more similar to more Semetic stuff.
Romanji is just Japanese with our lettering. This is very interesting and I'm going to start begging my Vietnamese friends to contribute to the incubator.
Vietnamese used to use Chinese characters (as did Korean). They changed and the change has been a great boon to literacy in both countries.
Interestingly, there are still people in Korea who want to go back to writing Korean with chinese characters (they call them hanja) and the hanja are still taught in Korean schools.
Indeed. Hán-tự is becoming less and less common in Vietnam society nowadays. Although we appreciate its value by preserving poems, literature works in Hán, only language experts, or scholars would have the ability to write and interpret it. Rarely there is teaching of it in schools.
Does Vietnamese use the Latin alphabet like English uses the Latin alphabet or does it use the Latin alphabet like Romanji in Japanese?
Hi, I'm Vietnamese and I can say that we use the Latin alphabet more like the French or Spanish way (extremely similar pronounciation for each letter). Plus, we use additional accent marks, or diacritics: /, \, ~, .,?
For instance: sắc, huyền, ngã, nặng, hỏi (pay attention to the small accent over or under vowel).
And we have additional letter with accent. For example, there are three kinds of "a" letter: a, ă, â, or there are two kinds of "d" letter: d or đ. Each of them form different sounds and can be combined with four diacritics above to form a word.
In my opinion, French, Portuguese, Spanish or Italian speakers will be more familiar with our alphabet than English. In fact, the "additional letter" like ă, ơ, ê, ư always cause trouble for foreign learner, regardless of their language background :)
Thank you, ckhadung. As my classroom consists of predominantly native Vietnamese speakers, we have writing in Vietnamese all over our center and I am aware of the challenges in pronunciation (I once tried to phonetically read a book in Vietnamese to my students, to great laughter from the class, and for a long time, whenever we passed by the restaurant next door I was pronouncing the word "phơ" wrong without realizing it).
This is why I used the qualifier "relatively." Relative to Japanese or Chinese, Vietnamese is in fact easily interpretable by English speakers. It's good to know that my Spanish will actually serve me well in helping me to interpret it even better.
Have you put an application in to the incubator to contribute to a Vietnamese course? I know a lot of ESL learners that could benefit from a Vietnamese --> English Duolingo course.
From what I just looked up about Romanji (which, if I'm not mistaken, is like Chinese pinyin?), it is not like that. Unlike Japanese, which uses logographic kanji and syllabic kana, Vietnamese uses a strictly phonetic written language that is actually relatively easily interpretable by English speakers. I found this picture of the alphabet online:
Hi revdolphin, I appreciate your interest in our language. Yes I did apply for Incubator and they put me on waitlist. Now we just have to wait. I wonder if there is other Vietnamese using Duo because I've never seen one.
As being said, Vietnamese language is somehow easy to interpret because we use the sentence order just like Spanish or French :) (not completely the same though).
To put it simple, sentence structure would be: S + V + O (like English) and Noun + Adjectives (like French/Spanish). And the pronounciation is quite the same with Spanish (we Vietnamese find it easy to speak Spanish/French/Italian...) than to speak English.
So, yes, your Spanish skill can be useful to interpret Vietnamese.