"I am here to win and I am going to win."

Translation:Ben kazanmak için buradayım ve kazanacağım.

February 13, 2016

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"Ben buradayım kazanmak için ve kazanacağım" is not correct word order?


I would appreciate an explanation for this, myself. There's been quite a lot of discussion here but unless it just went over my head, I still don't see why "buradayım" can't be placed before 'kazanmak için'.


I answered it above, and I'm not entirely sure, but the verb in the clause (I am here to win / Ben kazanmak için buradayım) is "to be"/(y)Im (for first person singular present). Since in Turkish SOV structure is used, the verb needs to be at the end of the clause/sentence, hence why buradayım is the last word in the clause.

"To win"/"kazanmak" is in infinitive form, so should be treated as if it were a noun. It's always needs to be used in conjunction with another verb.

için/for is a preposition, so just gives a relationship between "to win" and the rest of the sentence.

I'm not a native speaker, but that what makes sense to me. Because

  • 1895

I tried the same way... Haman nije...


Yup, it is necessary to reprogram the brain a lot in order to learn Turkish, but it is not bad thing, it is good to develop your memory....al treba puno vjezbanja ovdje, mada za sad ne mislim odustati :)

  • 1895

Yes. I do not see the logic in "Ben Kazanmak Icin Buradayim". If a verb goes last in Turkish and here we have the pronoun "Ben" first, and verb "Kazanmak Icin" second, why "Buradayim" is third? Why so? Could someone explain please? Is it because of "ICIN"?


Ben buradayım kazanmak icin ve kazanacağım: was not accepted. I would like to know why? Is it because the syntax in Turkish is different?


here, kuzanmak is the infinitive, so should be treated as if it were a noun. Buradayım is effectively the verb, because it is a form of "to be" (I AM here)...technically yım is the verb, but you know. Suffixes.

için is just a preposition here....not quite sure how prepositions work in Turkish (because you know, postpositions also exist), but İ don't think you want a preposition at the end of a clause.


I really didn't remember how to translate the "(in order) to +infinitive" here, so I tried something based on playing with g.translate: ben kazanmaği buradayım.

Is this adding the accusative on the infinitive (i think that's what i did there) of any use? Can it mean "in order to" sometimes or not at all?


Infinitives have no longer been declinable in accusative and dative for some time. Especially not in the accusative. There are some 40+ year-old people who would say "kazanmağa" in the dative, but it's largely become obsolete. We use the noun forms: "kazanma-yı", "kazanma-ya".

The accusative can never mean "in order to", but the dative might when used with a verb of action:

Kazanmaya gidiyorum. = I'm going in order to win.

It can't have the meaning of "in order to" when used with stative verbs like "to be here".

"Kazanmaya buradayım" doesn't make sense in Turkish. "Kazanmayı buradayım" makes even less sense. Accusative only works as a direct object; totally incompatible with the verb to be.


Very thorough and helpful answer as always, thanks Ektoraskan!

I've really got to work on my accusative and datives, they're all just one big blur in my mind at the moment :-/


I've always had the equations: "Accusative = COD", "Dative = COI". Doesn't that work most of the time?


What is COD and COI?

  • 1895

COD is per google a direct object and COI an indirect object.


That makes sense now. Because when I enter in google "COD meaning" it will say it is Call of Duty xD. That will help me. Hvala :)

  • 1895

Nema na cemu. To su francuske skracenice. Poz


Peace to Visoko and Sarajevo


Thanks bro, peace for you too


Kazanmak is the infinitive meaning "to win". So, ben kazanmak buradayım" will be I am here to win. Why is için necessary here?


Because you need the part that says -in order to- win.


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