Finished the tree but...
Всем привет! :-)
I finished some days ago my Russian tree (my 14th, by the way) and I really find it a great course.
I have a doubt though. Am I the only one having difficulties to keep the tree golden? I mean, in other languages and other trees, three exercises a day are enough to gild little by little all the skills. In Russian this method doesn't seem to work because the gold disappear much faster than in other courses.
I make a revision of one of the skills, starting from the bottom to get it golden again. I succeed. And the following day it has already faded, so I have to do it again while other skills fade...
Am I the only one observing this phenomenon?
Anyway, Спасибо за всё!
I think it does depend how many mistakes you've made in earlier exercises. As Russian is, in the opinion of most people, a harder language for English speakers, I think more mistakes are somewhat natural, and this may be the reason you're being prompted to refresh more often.
I don't usually have a problem with the same skill having to be refreshed again next day, though. Occasionally, if it's a very "big" skill, I find a single refresh does not take it back to gold, even though it was showing strength 4 out of 5.
I do not think there's anything wrong with choosing to keep your tree gold...or choosing not to. I personally like to keep it gold, and I prefer prompted refreshes to random ones, because I believe Duolingo's algorithm knows where I'm weakest, and so what needs most practice. I'm happy to be guided by that, as it's more efficient than me trying to remember what gave me the most trouble.
I have found the rate at which the leaves fade is tapering off a bit now, though. Yesterday I had none at all for Dutch (this has happened for a few days now), and only one for Russian. Today I have again had none for Dutch, and only three for Russian - which was manageable, especially as refreshing one of the three mysteriously gilded two of them, so I've actually only done two skills refreshes (20 XPs' worth) today, even though three leaves have gone back to gold. Don't know how that happened, and have a separate post about it in "Troubleshooting".
I could be in danger soon that some days NOTHING needs refreshing, in Dutch or Russian, so to keep my streak freeze, I'll have to do a practice I don't strictly need - OR I guess it's my cue to start a new language. ;)
Thanks for your answer. I think you are right. I have no problems for keeping the golden trees golden with just two revisions a day in the languages I know better, like Italian, French, English, Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch.
I have some more problems in German because the tree is very... high (123 skills, whereas the English ones have about 60, depending on the starting language).
No doubt, I have more difficulties with Russian (I was stated in an exam at B1 CECR level three years ago, so I'm not fluent, just intermediate level) and I make some mistakes while revising the skills... It's just a matter of time and patience I guess. And Duolingo makes it easy.
And answering (without being invited to do it) to your last paragraph... I really think you need a new language, Tina. :-)
Haha, I've certainly got a long way to catch you in terms of number of languages. IF I do another, it's likely to be Italian - something as different as possible to any I'm doing already, to minimise confusion. Also, I get the impression Italian is relatively easy, for English speakers. I think I'm due an easier one, after battling with Russian. In all seriousness, though, how do you fare with more languages being at the expense of depth? I'm at a crossroads, now: I can pursue Russian further - but outside Duolingo - OR I can decide I'm only going to maintain it at the level I'm already at (keep refreshing the tree), but take on a new language. I think it's unlikely I'll do both. If I start Italian, Russian will stay at the same level it already is, but won't go any further.
It's taking me a long time to think about your question(s)... What is better? Knowing something really deeply and thouroughly becoming a real specialist or trying to diversify your knowledge? I think it really depends on one's personality and preferences. It is evident that I prefer diversity even if I know that I could use my time to deepen my knowledge of English (much more useful than other languages in today's world) or Spanish (I love Spain) or German (useful, too) or Dutch (my first love's language) or... Well, you see, it's not that easy to choose if that means leaving out so many other possibilities and pleasures (pleasure of knowing, of discovering new things). As for your choice: I've heard so many times that Italian is such a beautiful language to hear, so musical, so warm. But as it is my mother tongue I have never had the pleasure of just hearing it without grasping the meaning of what was said, so that the language had a "sense" and not a "sound". And as for the "musical side" of Italian language... just hear a couple Italian songs and I'm sure you'll no more feel like learning Italian. :-) (this is my opinion of course...) So, it's up to your human free will. :-)
Привет, вы don't have to gild (guild, guilde, engold :D) your entire tree everyday. It's all up to you how you want to approach your tree at this point. Pick random areas like i do or throw a coin on your tablet screen and do the course it lands on :). Personally, я think it's pointless to do gilding missions since duo is just a companion to everything я study. Just my two cents. Спасибо.
Of course you're right buenotc (and your two cents are most welcome... :-) ). First of all, Duo is a pleasure. But this is composed by many parts, and one of these is the "game" or the "goal" you want to reach. I said I'm enjoying my course and I find it excellent to revise my knowledge of Russian (as I hadn't spoken or studied it for two years). I didn't intend to criticize, it was just a remark concerning this "game" aspect of the course. And, of course, if one day I'm tired of trying to gild my tree, I'll just go on with the colorful one. I know the most important thing in learning is just enjoying it. :-)
Да, you're right and I agree. The main reason I have my current streak going is because I don't pay attention to things that need gilding. Trying to keep everything gold burns me out every time. Now sometimes I get 10 xps a day and I'm happy lol :).
И я согласен с тобой. ;-)
I'm not sure how this guilding works exactly. Is it possible that they give you more work to do if you've made a lot of mistakes in the past? That could happen even if you finished the whole tree.
When I did the Spanish tree, I was at level 25 when I finished. I see people here who finish the Russian tree and they are nowhere near level 25. It seems fair that they have to go back a lot to keep their tree golden.
Just depends on how you work. :-)
I'm struggling too. Russian is by far the hardest language I've learned on Duolingo - even quite a bit harder than Turkish, and harder than Chinese, which I've learned elsewhere - and to make matters worse, the lessons seem to be less forgiving of slight mistakes or alternate wording as well. I can rarely manage to complete a timed practice session from the bottom half of the tree, whereas I can do so 90%+ of the time in most other languages. I think making all those mistakes makes the tree un-gold itself more quickly. It's frustrating.
I guess some people might call this cheating, but I've taken to opening two Duolingo sessions at once - only for Russian - so I have a reference list of the possible words to choose from. Although you can open the "Tips and notes" section at any time during the skill refresh itself, you can't see the vocab list, which I find helpful. So I open the vocab list in another tab. It doesn't provide the translations, so it doesn't literally tell you the answers, but if I can't remember the word for something, I will often still recognise it if I see it, so it helps to have a list of candidates (of course, this doesn't help if the word you can't remember is one you're already expected to know from an earlier lesson!)
I know it's not quite as virtuous as answering completely from memory, but I have this constant conflict of do I want to cheat just a little bit, or have so many leaves change colour every day that I can never catch up? I have also learnt always to double and triple-read what I've just typed, because a lot of my mistakes are down to sheer carelessness - not thinking what I was typing. I am training myself to pause before hitting Return, as sometimes I've done an obviously silly thing, like not making adjectives agree, or forgetting that certain consonants will always take "ий", not "ый", for example.
It's so frustrating when it's something you did know, but in your haste to finish, you forgot about it.