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A plus tard? My wife says the "s" is silent in the word "plus", but thee program pronounces it. Which is right?

June 5, 2012

101 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/oschwimer

In fact the s in "plus" is pronounced in modern french when you want to emphasize the positive "more" meaning, or were a liaison with a vowel requires it.

"J'en veux plus" : "I want more of that" -> pronounce the "s".

"Je n'en veux plus" : "I don't want that anymore" -> do not pronounce the "s".

"J'en veux plus" : (without "s" sound: colloquial, same meaning: I don't want).

June 14, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/KateYoak

Great explanation. Based on that, plus tard = s is pronounced, correct? (more late)

July 21, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/FranticMatt

Do not prounce the s, in a plus tard, like below comments, you can also say plutard.

July 27, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Stickplayer

I was married to a French girl for 20 years, and visited France quite often. Also, I am frequently late. I heard this a lot. The "s" is silent in the phrase.

May 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/CeluiKiDort

PluS = more, + ; Plus (S not pronounced) = no longer That's the general rule of course there's some exception like in "plus tard" which is pronounced and also written "plutard".

September 27, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/dannyjmt

A good tip on pronouncing the French "u" (or the German "ü") is to shape you mouth and lips AS IF you were about to say the sound "oo" (in English pronounciation) but INSTEAD of pronouncing "oo", you pronounce "ee".

June 14, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/twindave

That's a great tip! The sound that came out of my mouth surprised me!

March 27, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/EdwardChamourian

My brain cannot handle how awesome this advice is.

December 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/dannyjmt

You're welcome! :D

February 6, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/danielgr47

I'm an exchange student in Germany and the "ü" has been giving me troubles every day for the last 2 months. Thank you so much!

October 12, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/reidlearnsguitar

Thanks.

January 16, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/IrisvielLe

Wow, it is very useful, thank you so much

March 10, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/kumariixx721

wow that was beautiful

July 4, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/piy9

Great tip. Thanks

August 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/dannyjmt

Wow! It's been a while since I've looked at my notifications! You're all welcome! I'm glad my little tip has helped you guys! :D

February 6, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Mrsmadtiger

it sounded the EXALT SAME AS EE SOUNDED NORMALLY DISLIKE

March 14, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/jdc465

It is usually silent. It sounds like ploo. The speaker probably pronounced the S because the word following plus started with a vowel or vowel sound. This is a liaison and when this happens you pronounce it like plooz.

Ex. Plus (ploo) tard, Plus (plooz) importante

June 5, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Mizotte

I don't think it is a dialect difference, just en enormous problem of programming the pronunciation of "plus" because it varies with context.. The summary tables inserted into the first posts in these forum threads have been a great help to me. http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=542829 (Discussion in French) http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=444986 (Discussion in French and English) The tables are based on contributions from francophones worldwide as well as standard references. There are remarkably few regional differences in pronunciation of the "s" in "plus" and no francophones suggest that the "s" in "plus tard" should be pronounced.

June 30, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Lauris

MarieL1969, in your sentences, the 's' would be pronounced, but as a 'z'. 'pluzonveu, pluzondi'

January 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Stickplayer

Nope, not in the phrase being asked about:

Source: Married to a French person for 20 years, visited France regularly, heard the phrase a lot.

May 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Lauris

My source : I'm french and have been for more than 30 years.

May 30, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/kokiri_villager

I don't know why everyone has downvoted Stickplayers comment. Lauris seems to be correcting a different question and NOT what the original question is asking.

Lauris is answering a message within this feed which asks:

Marie_L1969 6 plus on veut...plus on dit...when there is a vowel behind the word plus, the 's' can be pronounced, but not in a plus tard...

Yes, often you use the S and merge it onto the next word but say it as a Z, but NOT in "A plus tard", as the original question is asking.

November 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/lauralia

There are two "plus"; you have to prononce the "s' when that's means "more"

March 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/NicoPup

Some examples of the two different pronounciations of "plus" (meaning "more"). I'm French, but as Mizotte said, there could be differences depending on the dialect and on the register (soutenu ou familier)

"S" is pronounced in: À plus ! (contraction of "à plus tard") J'en veux plus. (I want more) De plus en plus. Plus de lait. Un peu plus. Un verre de plus (en plus), ça ne fait pas de mal. De plus, ... (moreover)

"S" is not pronounced in: À plus tard ! Plus vite, plus haut, plus fort (Citius, altius, fortius) Plus con tu meurs ! (More stupid you die!)

Both pronounciations can be heard in the case of: Plus il parle, plus il m'énerve. Plus on est de fous, plus on rit.

More info on:

http://www.lepointdufle.net/ressources_fle/plus.htm

http://francparler-oif.org/espace-collaboratif/forum.html?func=viewcatid=75id=6281

March 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/AnieLes

the 2 of them are right, in the sentence "a plus tard" the "s" is silent but the word "plus" mean 2 things is also like english (+) sorry for my english i try my best

September 8, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jdc465

I'm assuming he is American so I was trying to put it in terms he could understand. You are right it is a very quick movement of your mouth so it doesn't sound very drawn out like "ploo" but a lot of people are beginners and just want to know the basic pronunciation.

June 5, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/pisenberg

Don't pronounce the s!

June 12, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/s_blossom

I agree with Faranae. I live in Canada, and the way we are taught to pronounce it is without the 's', so perhaps it is a dialect difference. Without a doubt, there are differences in dialect depending on where you live.

June 23, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/22g

There's one audio clip where they don't pronounce the 's' in this program, but when they have just the expression by itself they seem to "accidentally" pronounce it. I think it's a bug in the audio as the 's' shouldn't be pronounced in this expression.

July 13, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/softasbeets

Ah, this annoyed me quite a lot. I don't know anyone who would pronounce the 's' in 'plus tard' ... Of course there are exceptions to which consonants are pronounced at the end of a word (& always 'c' 'f' 'l'), but this is not one of them.

July 21, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/KatrineTJ

I was surprised as well, I'd never heard the 's' pronounced before. Not by my teachers, nor by people I've met or lived with in France.

October 21, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/bsbaixo

I don't think you have been married very long. The wife is always right independent of the truth.

December 10, 2012

https://www.duolingo.com/Orchids_

Niiiiice.

January 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/AndresFedez

ja,,,ja,,ja,,,ça est trés bon......

January 22, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Marie_L1969

plus on veut...plus on dit...when there is a vowel behind the word plus, the 's' can be pronounced, but not in a plus tard...

January 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Stickplayer

Yes, the liaison. But he's asking for the specific phrase, I think.

May 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Lahdeedah

the only time an "s" sound is made at the end of "plus" is when you're talking about addition. The "s" is silent. The only time it isn't silent is for a liaison with the next word if it starts with a vowel, and even there it sounds like a "z" not an "s".

January 19, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ecoster

Presently, the s is usually pronounced in “plus” for added effect or emphasis.

February 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/RobDerby

according to Michel Thomas French CD's the 'S' in Plus is silent

February 17, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/56qi

the "s" of the word "plus" remains silent unless there is a word that begins with a vowel (a,e,i,o,u) that follows it which results in the forming of liaison. ex.

plus lentement = plu lentement (because the proceeding word starts with a consonant, the letter "s" remains silent) BUT plus étrange = pluZétrange (since the word coming after "plus" this time starts with a vowel, one must make a Z sound to unite/form a liaison of the two words.

Well I hope I helped and I hope what I had offered makes sense. A plus tard! Bonne chance avec votre l'apprentissage de français et autres langues!

February 24, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ashlynn23127

program

February 24, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/AlexR7777777

It should be pronounced "ploo."

February 25, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Pragya.U

there is 2 differents pluses in french, the plus with a 's' that isnt silent is very ex: 'je suis plus bien'and the other one is i think something like se you tomomrow?

April 8, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Paige.Godvin

It is pronounces "ploo," like the "o" in "move."

April 29, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/dfeinblum

You don't pronounce the s unless the word following "plus" starts with a vowel. This is known as an elision and is pretty common in french.

May 30, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/drax26

I would add that it varies by region. Quebecois pronounce things significantly different from how it would be pronounced in Caen.

May 31, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Jellycat11

Do not pronounce the "s". Say it as if it rhymes with moo.

June 5, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/duolingodove

Bonjour, je suis une nouvelle étudiante ici mais j'ai quelque BASICS (basics en français?). Quand, j'écoute par aider de google traduictor, il jamais PRONOUNCE( en français?) S en Plus.

http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa101300v.htm

Check the above site :)

June 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesonSmi5

moi aussi

December 15, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/loveduolingo12

Its plus without the s at the end. Proof: that's what my french teacher told me!

June 16, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/witerabit

Ha! Well said bsbaixo.

July 5, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/NuclearLilly

Never pronounce the "s" , thats what my french teacher told me. Also never doubt your wife.

July 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/wspang651

your wife is right

July 31, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Idealante

yor wife are right.

August 1, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Mininator

dont listen 2 the program your wife is smater

August 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/kaitlynschrauwen

you wife is right, the french never pronounce there "t" 's or there "s" 's.

September 13, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/jaeggipierre

both are correct Sometime I do sometime I do not It depends out it sounds in the sentence. I know ....not very helpful

September 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/tarachazot

the "s" is silent.

September 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/footegirl57

Generally, in French, the consonants at the end of the word are silent...

September 26, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Anastasia.piazzi

the program......... of course..... your wife is french????

October 1, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/StewartHines

I have been study french for years and it it is both, it will show where you are from.

October 4, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Frenchexpand

in my class we also learned that the ending consonant is 'typically' silent unless it precedes a vowel so this is different here from what I learned~

October 5, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Raam09

your wife is correct

October 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/carmelamarion

S is silent

October 6, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/hosszi

yes, the "s" shouldn't be pronounced here, that's a mistake, when there is after plus, a word starting with a vowel, the "s" will be pronounced "z" not "s", only when plus means +, the "s" could be pronounced!

October 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/GinoLisa

Your wife is always right. ALWAYS.

October 16, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/hutchisonw

ya I think ur wife is right ;)

October 17, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/vinicius14

usually the S is silent, but i think in this case we must pronounce the S

October 17, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/FarLander471

Yeah, I think it depends on what you're saying. In most cases, you wouldn't pronounce the s, but in this case, you do. I HAVE BEEN STUDYING FRENCH FOR 7 YEARS, PEOPLE!!

May 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/bctpaul

I've always pronounced it without the 's'

October 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/martitagm99

the program says the ''s'' to make it easy

October 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/crazyhippo567

you are right you use the s

October 25, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/jmaj315

If you were to say "A plus" you would pronouce the s. But in "A plus tard" the s is silent.

My french professor (who moved to US at the age of 35 only 5 or so years ago) was telling the class about this one day. :D

October 29, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/avmartin

the "s" is silent

October 30, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/rubyk101

The "s" is silent in the plus. It is pronounced "ah ploo tar". Here's a helpful link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwgMgnIbmM

November 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/KatherineEdwards

no S sound

November 5, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/osvvo

Do say the "s" when the next word start in a vowel. Don't say the "s" when the next word start in a consonant.

PD: When the word start in a consonant but the first sound is like a vowel (like in "enfants"), do say the final "s".

Plus tard (do say "plutar") Plus enfants (do say "plus-an-fan")

November 5, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ClarkWool

It should not be pronounced. Here's a thorough explanation:

http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa101300v.htm

In the phrase "à plus tard", it acts as a comparative adverb in the middle of a phrase, and thus the "s" is not pronounced.

November 7, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Bree_Cupcake02

the s is actually silent

November 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/MathLover11

A PLEEUS TARD DO NOT SAY PLUS SAY PLEEUS

November 11, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Portady

the s is indeed silent.

November 14, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/tantsurin

I had the same question!

November 15, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/bosam15

I learn french, you don't prononce the 's' in most words, just how in most instances you don't prononce 'ent'

November 18, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/...Peetz...

the "s" is silent but computer programs always try to pronounce all the letters. Your wife knows what she's talking about

November 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ihart

the s is silent

November 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/grace8251

dear somthingheroic...your wife is right...i am 101% sure.

November 29, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/frencherinfinity

I think your wife is correct.

December 3, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/LucianAlex001

Well you pronuce the 's' at the end but the other words that end in 's' it's silent. This what my teacher told me! :)

December 4, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/MGoscinski

Consonants are only pronounced if a vowel comes after them. Your wife is right.

December 9, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/MrHazard

A précis of this thread: This thread intrigues me. For those setting out to read it all, you will not find a definitive answer. I'm responding to the original question (Á plus tard? My wife says" etc.). Native speakers disagree on this one, so the rest of us might struggle a bit. Here's what the thread breaks down to:

1) The standard response: The liaison (pronounced "s") in the program is wrong. It doesn't follow a vowel, so don't pronounce it. Therefore it should sound like "plutard." If, of course, a vowel followed ("plus interessant"), the "s" would be pronounced.

2) It's regional. Some do, some don't.

3) It's winsome. Pronounce it when you want to emphasize or accent what you are saying, or when the statement is "positive" (the latter term is from a poster). Therefore in a phrase like "Je veux plus," use the "s." Don't when it's negative ("Je ne le veux plus" - no "s.").

One commenter posted a good link that breaks it down well: http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa101300v.htm This link talks about positive and negative adverbs. The vowel/not vowel rule (see #1 above) is not valid in this explanation.

5) Other posts are humorous responses ("Your wife is always right, the software has trouble with this stuff, etc.) or do not address the original question.

December 19, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Jo-AnneYuskin

Do not prononce the "s".

December 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/MrHazard

Dans n'importe quelle circonstance? Désolé, cela a tort. Dans cet exemple particulier?

There are good arguments for both sides. And (depending upon the situation) I suspect both are right. However, if you follow the link in my post (copied from another post), it makes a good argument for not pronouncing the "s" if it's a comparative adverb, which this example is. The linked page lists this as "an exception."

Also, of course, as a Quebec poster noted, regional differences come into play here. I'm Canadian, so I am interested in Quebecois accents and usage. Some people from France look down on the Quebec accent and believe certain idioms and language usage is "wrong." They are not; they are local idioms and totally legit.

Je ne sais pas avec certitude, mais l'utilisation du "s" ne peut pas être aussi catégorique que vous suggérez.

December 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/LonaAbla

Your Wife Is Right sir ! lol

December 20, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/AbbyWhite1415

your wife

December 23, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/xhaivenx

Is your wife French? Does she know French? Because (No offense) if she doesn't, Duolingo probably uses the correct pronunciation.

January 2, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/vivielle01

According to my french teachers and most french speakers I have heard, the "s" is silent in "a plus tard." My current french teacher even warned our class that the program pronounces the "s" and most french speakers do not.

January 8, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Akashkaushik

listen to your heart,listen to your mind..and then do what your wife says

January 14, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/jimbobrown

Yes the program is wrong . The ''s'' is silent it is pronounced ''a plu tar'' but it's written ''a plus tard''.

January 25, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/MichN15

the "s" is not pronounced

January 31, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/jbC1Qx

Your Wife, OF COURSE!!!!

September 11, 2017

https://www.duolingo.com/FarLander471

I have a French teacher, and she pronounces plus with the s.

May 28, 2018
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