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Egli/lui. & Ella/lei

I was just told my my Italian exchange student friend that duolingo uses lui as a subjective, when Egli should be used. Apparently lui is only for objective. Same with Ella and lei. Any thoughts anyone?

February 19, 2016

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A lot of Italians would say the same, yet never use "egli", "ella" or "essi" once in their lives; it's one of the problems of the Italian school system. Treccani has a nice synthetic clarification:

IT: "Tra questi, le forme lui (maschile), lei (femminile) e loro (plurale sia maschile, sia femminile) sono oggi nettamente preponderanti, tanto nel parlato, quanto nello scritto, anche formale. STORIA: L’uso di lui, lei e loro come pronomi soggetto è stato a lungo sanzionato dai grammatici del passato e oggetto di dibattito nella storia della grammatica italiana fin dal Cinquecento. Oggi non vi sono più dubbi sull’accettabilità di queste forme."

EN (my translation): "Among these, the forms lui (masculine), lei (feminine) and loro (plural both masculine and feminine) are today clearly preponderant, both in speech and in writing, even formal. History: the usage of lui, lei and loro as subject pronouns has long been sanctioned by the grammarians of old, and a matter of debate in the history of Italian grammar since the 16th Century. Nowadays there are no longer any doubts on the acceptability of these forms".

February 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RohanWheaton

Cheers

February 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DeborahMin

Hi Rohan, as Italian I can tell you that we never use Egli/ella in spoken laguage, for exemple I say: Lei è mia sorelle, never Ella è mia sorella. But at school, when we study verbs we learn " Io sono, Tue sei, Egli/ella è"... I don't now why, but I assure you that we never use them when we speak. The same is for Essi, esse. When we speak we use "loro"

February 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RohanWheaton

Thanks Deborah

February 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anafbraga

So, how would you say HE LIKES TO STUDY? Egli piacce studiare or Lui piacce studiare

Sorry if its wrong, i'm a begginer

February 23, 2016
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