Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from February 21st to February 28th
This week I hope to complete the post, please stay tuned...
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 27 courses
Vietnamese for English - 99% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 31-Jan-2050
Guarani for Spanish - 62% | 79% | 99% | 100% (+1)
Spanish for Russian - 99% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0)
Swedish for Arabic - 90% | 91% | 98% | 99% (+1)
German for Arabic - 89% | 91% | 95% | 99% (+4)
Spanish for Chinese - 100% | 100% | 98% | 98% (+0)
English for Thai - 94% | 94% | 97% | 98% (+1)
Greek for English - 83% | 92% | 97% | 98% (+1) 5-May-2016
Hebrew for English - 74% | 74% | 81% | 87% (+6) 10-Jun-2016
German for Italian - 82% | 82% | 81% | 81% (+0)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
Romanian for English - 75% | 74% | 76% | 77% (+1)
Spanish for Italian - 68% | 68% | 66% | 66% (+0)
Esperanto for Spanish - 39% | 43% | 54% | 64% (+10) *
Swedish for Russian - 61% | 61% | 61% | 62% (+1)
Portuguese for French - 55% | 60% | 59% | 59% (+0)
Swahili for English - 45% | 45% | 47% | 49% (+2) 1-Jun-2016 ^
Italian for Portuguese - 43% | 43% | 43% | 44% (+1)
Russian for Turkish - 42% | 42% | 39% | 43% (+4) 31-Dec-2016
French for Turkish - 40% | 40% | 39% | 39% (+0)
Czech for English - 32% | 33% | 34% | 36% (+2) 17-Apr-2017 ^
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) 15-Aug-2016 ^
Klingon for English - 21% | 21% | 21% | 21% (+0) 1-Aug-2016
Korean for English - (New) 0% | 8% | 12% (+4)
French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Indonesian for English - 0% | 1% | 1% | 1% (+0)
Course - 3 weeks ago | 2 weeks ago | a week ago | Now (Progress delta); Estimated Launch Date (provided by contributors) (Date delta)
Estimated Launch Date only when provided by the course contributors
Mean - 1.66% | 1.4% | 1.97% | 1.3% (-0.67)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).
Valentine's Day Update
I received words from Duolingo staffs that the recording will be completed soon on Feb 19th. It will then take about two more weeks for the team to test out all sentence audio and report back to voice company if any re-recording is needed. Finally, Duo staffs will need one week to implement these into the course.
I estimate the whole process would take about a month or less from now. Meanwhile, I am drafting tips & notes and the team is reviewing the skill tree to improve course content. Any support is much appreciated.
Happy Valentine's Day!
687 words, 34.4%. We have just added the Past 1 and Household skills and are finally doing Numbers 2 (five and above), Body (body part names), and Calendar (days of week, months, and seasons).
Французский курс в бете!!
Bonjour! Французский курс для русских наконец-то выпущен в бету! Мы рады, что вы с нами и желаем вам удачи и успехов в изучении этого красивого языка! К сожалению, Tips & Notes пока нет; мы их не успели написать до выпуска курса, но мы сейчас над ними работаем. Скоро везде будут объяснения. А пока, пишите в обсуждениях. Всё, что непонятно, объясним. ~Французская команда
691 words, 34.6%. No word progress to speak of, but we welcomed a new contributor and are looking forward to spreading the load. We also did some planning and decided to introduce the next major case, the locative, in the very row right after Numbers 2. The locative should allow the body part sentences to avoid being overly morbid.
720 words, 36.0%. We have been working on the skill introducing the locative case.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 6th of March at 4:00 pm UTC.
Still on travel...
Previous Update 7-Feb to 21-Feb
That was totally my bad - two weeks in a row!
Sorry that you had to go to this length to make your point! I have corrected my posts and also the images.
Shoutout to team Czech for updating so regularly. Even for those of us not planning on taking the course, it's fun and exciting to have so much insight into its construction. Thanks guys!
But I have to wait for the course on mobile app( It is another few months((
I would not recommend to experience the course entirely on mobile platform since you will miss the grammar explanation.
Just do it on a mobile browser. It's significantly better on browser anyway, since you'll get the language tips.
Plus you can easily toggle between the mobile site and the desktop site ^_^
Hungarian and Vietnamese are just playing with my mind right now ... Cheers to the Korean team making amazing progress !
Somebody commented on another update (the last one I think) that they thought that the Greek course could be in beta before Hungarian and Vietnamese.
From what I've read of Team Hungary's updates in the incubator, that's starting to look likely.
And yes, the Korean team does seem to be doing exceptionally well.
The Greek team expect to be ready by beginning of May while Vietnamese is probably going to be released in the next two weeks. I think Hungarian will still come before Greek.
The languages here on Duolingo are starting to get much more helpful and complex than they once where. Good going Duolingo! :)
^ I second that. Also, from what I've seen, they are way more productive (probably because there are more contributers, too). There are about 10 languages that are incredibly close to hatching (2 of them are already at 100%). Not to mention Korean, the newest addition, is already 12% done!
I think Duolingo should consider looking for more contributers for the Klingon and Yiddish courses.
Well the Klingon team has manually set their release date for August, so maybe their percentage just isn't tracking their progress. (There's no real way of knowing, though.) Plus I'm pretty sure Yiddish has gone from 3 contributors to 2. It's a decrease, but at least it's a sign of life - maybe they're reorganising the team?
Your theory about the Klingon progress gives me hope that they might actually launch this year.
The head contributor wants to release it on the first of August. Shame we dont have any info on Yiddish :(
My travel is over and we should soon see the WIUs get back on schedule! :)
I have just recorded the progress as of Sunday 4:00 pm UTC (25 minutes ago) in preparation for today's edition.
Today's post is coming up within a few hours (after a few errands that I must make) covering all the omissions and misses from the last few weeks. Please stay tuned!
Wow, as many as 10 courses more at more than 95% completion, Hungarian included.
Yes, so cool! Thanks for pointing out. I'm wondering if 10 more courses will be added to the incubator as those go out the door? ...and, what will they be?!
Glad to see three (3) of the courses for Arabic speakers will be entering beta soon. I'm looking forward to Vietnamese for English and Guarani for Spanish.
I realized that after i posted, yet this update doesn't show that French for Arabic is in beta
I finally saw the mistake. That row somehow got carried on for two weeks in my work document...
4 courses for Arabs, maybe Duo should consider the reverse courses .. umm .. now?!
I think they will once they finish these courses. The team was gearing up for Arabic for English speakers just before these projects started.
I've been alpha testing the Vietnamese course for about a week and a half now, and I'm loving it. I'm currently at level 10 and about a fifth of the way through the course. As a native English speaker, it is so much more effective learning through this course than when I was trying to use the reverse course. I imagine it will be even more effective once the voice is added (I know I need to work on my pronunciation). Thanks Team Vietnamese!
I think Vietnamese will be the first course I get super involved in on Duolingo. My main languages I study have always been Asian languages not offered on Duolingo and I am super duper psyched to finally see one of the Asian languages I want to study being offered.
Truth to be told, the language is challenging. However, who knows what passion can bring?
I have heard people say Vietnamese is challenging. But I don't know many people who study Vietnamese. For a long time I always heard it was some impossible language and the Vietnamese people don't understand you even if you study a long time. But if it was really such a crazy difficult language, how do the Vietnamese people learn to speak Vietnamese? You don't hear of children being stunted in their growth because they couldn't learn the language any more than you do here in America. Its a very different language than English, sure. But I think the only REALLY hard thing to Vietnamese (Hopefully) is its tones. I already have some experience working with tones via Mandarin, and I have heard Vietnamese has easy grammar just like every other Asian language (In comparison to like Russian and languages with complicated genders). I have experience with Japanese and Korean too so Asia is not so unfamiliar anymore. I think with the motivation anyone can learn any language.
You pretty much sum it up. I think passion plays a big role here because (in my opinion), Vietnamese language learners face the issue of "perspective". I met many people who love learning Mandarin, Japanese or non-Latin Asian languages, yet they feel "scared" when seeing Vietnamese sentences. One assumes it is challenging to learn since there are so many tiny tonal marks above a single letter. In combination with difficult pronunciation (obviously for most languages in the world), that makes Vietnamese an impossible challenge.
I'll read your longer post in time, but let me just respond right away to the biggest difference between what you talk about and what I am talking about.
-Speaking- a language and -writing- a language are two entirely different things. I mean, historically, spoken language -always- precedes written language, and there still exist populations that don't really have a writing system still. In the grand scheme of things, written language is still a relatively new invention. So, everything that I said about children learning their own language was referring specifically to -speaking-. A child can be fluent in Mandarin without knowing any of the characters. Obviously, in today's world, knowing how to write in a language is just as important as speaking, and when learning a second language, learning how to write is pretty important...but, afterall, writing is merely a representation of the spoken word, not the other way around.
So, in spite of your examples which, at quick glance, seem well crafted, I stand by my original statements. Children learn their first languages intuitively. learning a written system for that language is something else.
Lol I used Latin as an example of where they can't speak the language to begin with. But I get what you mean.
So, on the one hand, it is difficult to -objectively- say that any language is at some given difficulty on a scale without pointing out that it is only relative to one's native language. Like, there are languages that are harder to learn for English speakers than some other languages are because the harder ones have aspects to them that English doesn't have, etc.
But your whole bit about "how do the Vietnamese people learn to speak Vietnamese" if it is so difficult...that question isn't really valid. Most people learning English would probably say that English is so freakishly hard, and yet here we are, you and I, typing away at it like it were second nature...because it is...
but that's just how 1st language acquisition works. You don't need to be taught formal lessons in your first language to be able to speak it fluently, because while you are developing, your brain is taking statistics about all the things you are hearing about you...you know, that Vietnamese that you are hearing spoken around you all day every day, 7/24/365 if you are a baby in Vietnam? Yeah, your brain is really smart, it figures stuff out. If you already have one language firmly in place though, and are past a certain age (that varies depending on what researcher you talk to), and -especially- if you are from a society that is painfully monolingual (read: the US), learning a second language is a very different animal than learning the first.
I think nearly every single person I have talked to has always said their own native language was the hardest language to learn. Arabs I talked to always told me Arabic was the hardest language to learn, Chinese always told me Chinese was the hardest language to learn. Japanese told me Japanese was the hardest language to learn, and Americans have always said English is the hardest language to learn. I think every country has kind of an inflated sense of self worth regarding their own native languages. In regards to any kid being able to learn their native tongue as second nature. I am going to disagree.
Let me give two examples, the majority of languages are easy enough for their kids to learn the language on their own and to become fluent in. But Chinese is a language where a lot of the Chinese people I know? Don't know all the Chinese characters. And they gradually learn all the Chinese characters slowly over time in School. Not when they are young. Simply because there is so many they CAN'T learn it all when they are young. Same with Japanese, They have to gradually learn Kanji (Chinese Characters) long over elementary school, middle school, and high school. It takes a long time too. There is some Japanese I know who actually were not very good at a lot of Kanji. The spoken language was simple enough for Chinese and Japanese to learn to speak. Thankfully. But learning to read and write was not second nature for these kids as us with nice Latin alphabets could do within one year of kindergarten.
The second example I can think to give is a more historical one. Look at Latin. Latin always seemed insane with its difficulty in regards to grammar and most people didn't SPEAK Latin. They spoke Vulgar Latin which was a simpler and more colloquial speech that was common across the empire. The rules were so complex in official Latin that without formal study later on after childhood a person probably would have difficulty even writing long pages in Latin, much less speaking it and connecting all the key grammar points in something as fluid as a spoken sentence. In that way Latin is too difficult of a language for kids to really learn. Sure for every language there is difficult parts you can only learn about when in school as you get older. But Latin and Chinese are exceptional as there is a LOT of stuff you have to learn in school that simply can not be learned as a child or picked up as second nature. English is ALSO a difficult language because of all the exceptions, but by no means the most difficult language. I mean look at languages like Finnish and Icelandic (Which are renown for their difficulty) eek.
While maybe a poor analogy, I was merely trying to make it clear that very few languages are so difficult that you are still being forced to learn the language and struggle with fluency in WRITING or SPEAKING after like middle school. You are not really a kid anymore at that point. Learning a first language and a second language ARE different. But not so different they can't be compared completely. I do agree that the difficulty of languages are mostly based off of your own native language though. A language very different from yours will take a long time to get used to. But I think (especially in the case of polyglots) if you study a lot of languages, and become exposed to a lot of different sides of the spectrum, it becomes easier to learn lots of different types of languages. So if I learn Russian, German, French, Korean, and Arabic. It is going to be pretty balanced learning languages within those language families. But you can still make cases for Latin and Chinese in that they take significantly more time to get good at even if you have studied lots of languages. (Finnish probably too) simply because they are harder than other languages and have more long memorization components. So I think there is some languages which are on an even playing field HARDER than others in some respects in a way that no one has an advantage. Not even native speakers. But I also think all languages are balanced and based more on the motivation to learn them because they are not all impossible to learn. (Sorry for making this really long Q_Q I did like your post. Have a lingot!)
Latin is different specifically because it was a language specifically used only in certain settings about certain things. It wasn't a native language, per se. My remarks are referring to languages that the child would be hearing around them all the time.
SSOOooooo many so close to hatching. Really curious what's going to fill up all these gaps once they're out..
Sooo many courses to be released this year, which means more to enter the Incubator as well. Cheers to an increasingly multilingual world! I just love this community of people seeking education and taking it into their own hands.
Based on their incubator updates, the quality of the audio is not in question, (just for clarity).
What's uncertain is whether Team Hungary can add the audio to the remaining sentences while in beta, or if they have to add the audio before hitting beta.
That's what they're waiting to hear back from DuoLingo about.
Still, it sounds like Team Hungary is keeping busy with other stuff to fix, so a silver lining to every cloud.
"The locative should allow the body part sentences to avoid being overly morbid."
This is my all time favourite sentence in a team report ever!
Many thanks to the French from Russian team for giving me a reason not to entirely give up French :-* it's really forcing me to step up my Russian game...
I'm super happy about the rapid progress of Korean and Hebrew, and thrilled for all these courses in the nineties releasing soon! :D
I see that the Esperanto for Spanish speakers is making great progress.
I'm looking forward to the Klingon course too, but who really knows what's happening there.
xela.w put forward my favourite theory on that so far,
- "The Klingon team has manually set their release date for August, so maybe their percentage just isn't tracking their progress. (There's no real way of knowing, though.)"
This theory give me hope. And if it gives people, why not run with it?
Translation of the FR←RU team's update:
Bonjour! The French course for Russians has finally been released in beta! We're glad that you're with us and we wish you much success in learning this beautiful language! Sadly, Tips&Notes aren't there yet; we didn't manage to write them before the course release, but now we are working on them. Soon there will be explanations everywhere. And until then, write in the forums. We will explain everything you don't understand. ~ The French Team
I might have done some mistakes, I'm neither Russian nor English native speaker.
Out of curiosity, are any of the contributors for these Arabic courses interested in doing reverse courses (Arabic for speakers of English, French, German, Swedish, etc.)? I would personally like an Arabic for Spanish speakers course as well if anyone would be up for it!
Great job, Esperanto and Guaraní for Spanish speakers. Excelente trabajo. Sigan así.