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A guide to the Russian word order

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    There're lots of questions about the word order, so I've thought I'll write a guide about it.

    This guide is work-in-progress, I'll edit it as more questions are asked, and as mistakes are found.

    1. Common misconceptions

    You might have heard that the Russian has a 'free word order'. However, this is a linguistic term that is often misunderstood. 'Free word order' means that subject, object and verb are not arranged in a certain order.

    It does not mean that you can put words in any order. It just means that grammatic role (subject/object/verb) doesn't affect the word order.

    2. Neutral/objective and inverted/emphatic/subjective word order

    In Russian, sentences have a neutral/objective word order. It is the default word order that doesn't add any additional information. Duolingo usually accepts only sentences with the neutral word order.

    You can break the neutral word order by moving words around. By doing this, you create an inverted/emphatic/subjective word order. This word order is used for emotional emphasis. With emphatic word order, you must mark the new information/focus with intonation (see more about it later). Usually, when you swap the place of two words, one of these words gets the emphasis (the intonation shows which one).

    Emphatic word order is not usually accepted on Duolingo. For you as for learners, it's better to learn the neutral word order first. It's important to learn the rules before learning the ways to break them.

    Note that in colloquial speech, emphatic word order is much more common than in formal language. This is partly due to the fact we don't have much time to construct our sentences, so we just put the words in any order. In careful, prepared speech, emphatic word order is rarer and serves some purpose.

    3. Fixed position of certain words

    Some words have a fixed position in the sentence.

    Adjectives usually precede the noun they modify: большо́й дом 'big house', кра́сный цвето́к 'red flower'.

    Other noun modifiers usually follow the noun: кни́га сестры́ 'sister's book', статья́ в журна́ле 'an article in the magazine'.

    Objects usually follow the verb: я ви́жу соба́ку 'I see a dog', я понима́ю грамма́тику 'I understand the grammar'.

    But when object is a pronoun, it usually precedes the verb: я его зна́ю 'I know him', я ничего́ не ви́жу 'I see nothing'.

    4. Word order can show new information

    All sentences have some new information, and some known information. Known information is called topic in some analyses, and theme in others. New information is called comment, rheme or focus.

    Rheme/comment is something you want to tell. For example, in the sentence 'My sister is an architect', it's assumed that you know I have a sister, and new information is her occupation. When I say, 'My sister is the architect', you know that there's some architect mentioned before, and new information is that this architect is actually my sister.

    So, in Russian we place new information towards the end of the sentence:

    • Моя сестра — архитектор. 'My sister is an architect.'
    • Архитектор — моя сестра́. 'My sister is the architect.'

    In English, we use the article 'a' to show that 'architect' is a new piece of infomation, someone not introduced before. In Russian, we use the word order.

    Russian usually places topic/theme (known information) at the beginning of the sentence, and comment/focus/rheme (new information) at the end.

    The first part of the sentence is something known. It's a pivotal point that connects the sentence to listener's knowledge. And the end of the sentence is new information.

    Compare:

    • На столе́ мои́ кни́ги. 'My books are on the table.' 'What is on the table is my books.' (This sentence tells us something about the table: the fact that my books are there. Table is a known information, books is new information.)
    • Мои́ кни́ги на столе́. 'My books are on the table.' 'The place where my books are is the table.' (This sentence tells us something about my books: the fact that they are on the table.)
    • В па́рке собрали́сь все. 'Everyone gathered in the park.' It's a sentence about what is going on in the park. New information: that everyone's there. Park is something we know about. We can use this sentence if we talked about the park before.
    • Все собрали́сь в па́рке. 'Everyone gathered in the park.' It's a sentence about 'everyone', about the group of people. The new information is: that this group is in the park. We can use this sentence if we talked about 'everyone' before.
    • Возле окна́ стои́т стол. 'There is a table standing near the window.' It's a sentence about the place near the window. New information is: there's a table standing there.
    • Стол стои́т во́зле окна́. 'The table is standing near the window.' It's a sentence about the table. New information is: it's near the window.

    5. Word order in questions

    Basically, the word order is the same as in the answer to the question. Imagine a possible answer and use the same word order:

    If answer is «Моя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор» 'My sister is an architect', then the question is «Моя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор» 'Is my sister is architect?':

    — Моя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор? 'Is my sister an architect.'
    — Твоя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор. 'Your sister is an architect.'

    The question mark shows the rising intonation. Basically, just add a question mark (in writing) or a rising intonation (when speaking) to any sentence, and you have a question,

    5.1. Word order with question words

    However, there's an exception: question words normally come at the beginning of the sentence. So, if «кто?» 'who?' replaced «архите́ктор» in the question, it becomes «Кто моя́ сестра́?» 'Who/what is my sister?' (not «Моя́ сестра́ кто́?»):

    — Кто моя́ сестра́? 'What's my sister?'
    — Твоя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор. 'Your sister is an architect.'

    This sometimes means you can break other rules about the word order. For example, «како́й» 'what' works like an adjective, but it is not placed before the noun. It's placed at the beginning:

    — Како́й моя сестра́ архите́ктор? 'What architect is my sister?'
    — Твоя сестра́ — изве́стный архите́ктор. 'Your sister is a famous architect.'

    So, basically, the word order is the same as in the answer, but question words come first.

    5.2. Word order with «ли»

    There's another way to form generic questions: you put the rheme/focus/comment at the beginning of the sentence, add «ли», and leave all the other words as they are in the answer. This way, word + ли works like a question word:

    — Архите́ктор ли моя́ сестра́? 'Is my sister an architect?'
    — Твоя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор. 'Your sister is an architect.'

    «Архите́ктор ли моя́ сестра́?» and «Моя́ сестра́ — архите́ктор?» mean the same thing.

    When the new information is not one word, but several, then you place all the words in the beginning of the sentence, but add «ли» after the first one. Here's an example (here, the new information that is the rheme of the question is «известный архитектор»):

    — Изве́стный ли архите́ктор моя́ сестра́? 'Is my sister a famous architect?'
    — Твоя́ сестра́ — изве́стный архите́ктор. 'Your sister is a famous architect.'

    March 1, 2016

    159 Comments


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/homka89

    Позвольте немного поправить вот эту часть текста:

    1) When I say, 'My sister is the architect', you know that there's some architect mentioned before, and new information is that this architect is actually my sister. So, in Russian we place new information towards the end of the sentence: Моя сестра — архитектор. 'My sister is an architect.'

    в фразе " моя сестра - архитектор" нет никакой информации, что уже упоминали ранее о каком-то архитекторе. Тут другой смысл, имеется ввиду "моя сестра по специальности (работает) архитектором, что она и есть архитектор

    2) — Како́й моя сестра́ архите́ктор? 'What architect is my sister?' не совсем корректно, (так обычно не говорят), What (какой) лучше ставить на 3 место в этой фразе - Моя сестра какой архитектор? и тогда слово известный (famous) логично ставить на третье место в ответе вместо вопросительного слова "какой" : - Твоя сестра - известный архитектор Или еще можно сказать - Какой архитектор моя сестра?


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kbulygin

    1) That's what the original text states: Моя сестра — архитектор. 'My sister is an architect.' The explanation of the is given for a contrast.

    2) Моя сестра какой архитектор? is quite colloquial, Какой архитектор моя сестра? seems to be the most commonly used option. (Note that questions tend to have their focus at the beginning, not at the end.)


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FURDENSIEG

    Why are you learning russian when everyone is learning chinese, german, spanish , japanese or any trendy language there is... What is your motivation


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DarMor15

    There are plenty of reasons to learn a "non-trendy" language. As Jeos said, it could simply be a hobby. Actually, there are educational and career opportunities that will require someone to learn Russian. For a person that speaks another slavic language, learning Russian can be very easy. Others have friends or family who only speak Russian. They might have Russian heritage or some other relation to Russia. They could simply be interested in the culture and learning the language will allow them to immerse themselves fully in it. Also, not everyone can easily learn Chinese, German, or another "trendy language." Hope this satisfactorily answers your question. Stay safe!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jeos20enRike

    It's a hobbie, not just a matter of work advantages.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paul440929

    It's the most beautiful language on Earth.


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JoshCampbell5343

    personally, im planning to movie to russia and one of the requirements for citizenship is fluency in the language


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dimidov

    I'm dropping a note here so I can find it again later. This definitely looks interesting. Thank you, Szeraja!


    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dimidov

    You say

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    "Objects usually follow the verb: я ви́жу соба́ку 'I see a dog', я понима́ю грамма́тику 'I understand the grammar'.

    But when object is a pronoun, it usually precedes the verb: я его зна́ю 'I know him', я ничего́ не ви́жу 'I see nothing'."

    --

    'Nothing' is not a pronoun, I believe, so unless you were referring to "I/Я" - which seems doubtful given the construction of the previous sentence - this appears inconsistent. Unless 'ничего́' is special in Russian in that it counts (or can count) as a pronoun, maybe?

    The rest seems pretty clear - though, not directly usable by me (I'll get there!) - except for the last part about ли. I'll have to reread it a few more times to see if I can grok it.

    Благодаю!


    [deactivated user]

      Hello! Thanks for your feedback.

      'Nothing' is not a pronoun

      Ничто/ничего is a negative pronoun in Russian (well, it's even declined like the pronoun что).

      Actually, English dictionaries also say it's a pronoun: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nothing (although I agree that it's much less clear since it's not derived from a pronoun, like «ничто» is derived from «что»; it's derived from the word 'thing', which is why it's pretty confusing).

      I'll need to rewrite the text to make it clearer.

      The rest seems pretty clear - though, not directly usable by me (I'll get there!) - except for the last part about ли. I'll have to reread it a few more times to see if I can grok it.

      I'll try to rewrite it in a simpler way later.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dimidov

      I was obviously unaware. Thanks for clearing that up! I never really considered that a pronoun in English either, I now realise, so it's neat to learn about that as well.

      I look forward to the updated version. Thank you for your hard work :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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      Let's see... You have many things you call pronouns, i.e. "variables" that replace the actual thing:

      • Personal pronouns: I, you, he, she, it, we, they (also, their forms: me, you, him, her, it, us, them)
      • Demonstrative pronouns: this, that (these, those)
      • Possessive pronouns and adjectives: mine/my, yours/your, his/his, hers/her etc.
      • Indefinite pronouns: something/anything, someone / anyone (anybody), all, everyone, several, little etc.
      • Negative pronouns: no one, nobody, nothing, none
      • Relative pronouns (introduce a noun clause): that, who, which, whoever etc.

      Now, there are things that are not proNOUNS but still have some qualitites and/or can form a system in a language that extends the pronouns system nicely. Their classification might depend on the language. For example, in Japanese "here", "there", "where" and "whereever" will work the same as "this"/"that"/"what"/"whatever" and so on.

      • Question words: what, why, which, how, who, where, when
      • Adverbial "pronouns" like "always", "here", "never", "in no way", "in some way", "some time", "for some reason". English does not even have stuff like "nohow", "somewhen" or "somewhy".

      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dimidov

      Wherever it went, I do not know, but here it is again:

      http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/parts-of-speech/pronouns/relative-pronoun.html#wPj3VKQemJropRwM.99

      If you removed it for being irrelevant (hah, not so relative, these relative pronouns), I can make it disappear again as well, I suppose. :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dimidov

      I've never counted anything except personal, demonstrative and possessive. My English teacher would die of shame. XD;

      Благодаю, Shady_arc! I'll peruse that link.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mosfet07

      There are also reflexive (*self) and determinative (the same, *self).


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
      Mod
      • 117

      Somehow, I do not remember ever inserting that link. :)


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
      Mod
      • 117

      Well, I googled a number of different pages to see what is normally considered a pronoun in English and what isn't. I have no idea why this particular link ended up in the post. The terms I searched include "negative pronouns", "indefinite pronouns", "relative pronoun", "english pronouns", and, of course, I used Oxford Dictionaries, too.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

      I know it's a bit late but may be helpful for someone new. In Russian if you have sentence what has "no" information you have to put all words as "negative". я ничего́ не ви́жу 'I see nothing" - if translate exactly it will be - "I don't see nothing", using this principal you can build sentence as you will do it normal way. Pardon my English))


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AnaPaulaLelis

      You don't need to do that, you can just click in ''following discussion'' on the top. Very simple.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/insomniaack

      "Basically, just add [...] a rising intonation (when speaking) to any sentence, and you have a question," ...unless you're Canadian, then it's usually not a question ;) . I confused the hell out of my Russian fiancé for several weeks this summer, and she answered things that weren't questions as if they were due to the strong influence of Canadian raising on my accent. I just found it cute, but she found herself less embarrassed by pretending she didn't hear me just so I'd repeat myself and she could try to figure out if it was a question or not. She was trying to figure out how to understand my sentences, I was trying to figure out whether she could hear me, lol.


      https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UsernameAK

      Used in poetry:

      Белый стол (white table) = стол белый (table white)

      So, adjectives (and something similar) and nouns can be swapped


      [deactivated user]

        That's what I've covered in section 2. Poetry is often more emotional than prose, so it uses emphatic word order more often. (Sometimes it's indeed used just to make the word fit the rhyming scheme, without any emphasis, but this is generally considered bad style.)


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Aleksandro_RU

        If it is not a poetry, «стол белый» usually is "the table is white"


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mirville2

        It is not necessarily poetry : in the principal clause стол белый means the table is (a) white (one) : what comes after is a predicate rather than an attribute. When the clause or phrase is subordinate, as in столы белые мне нравятся It means the tables that are white please me, or more English-like the tables I like, when white : the long adjective posited after the noun it qualifies describes rather a condition or a necessary circumstance for the principal verb to apply. It is especially colloquial as well as poetical when used with an instrumental noun. Летом так жарким мы ждали осень чтобы пойти в отпуск. With the summer being so hot we waited for fall to go on vacation.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/homka89

        белый стол = стол белый, не важно как говорить, ясно что говорят о столе, а стол имеет белый цвет, но если Вы будете употреблять эти слова в предложении, то два этих предложения с одинаковым смыслом, но будут немного отличаться словами: 1- в этой комнате находится белый стол, 2- в этой комнате находится стол белого цвета


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UsernameAK

        а если например "в комнате этой находится стол белый"


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/homka89

        так не говорят. Нескладно звучит. можно сказать "в этой комнате находится белый стол" или "белый стол находится в этой комнате".. в предложении прилагательное идёт перед существительным.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Seg0y

        Such reverse order is usually met when you're reading some catalogue or talking about several objects with different properties to underline the said properties. E.g. "Стул белый, стул синий, стол фиолетовый", etc.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Aleksandro_RU

        "в комнате этой находится стол белый"

        Это магистра Йоды речь)


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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        Now sticky.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Theron126

        I will definitely peruse this later. Thanks for putting it together!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Theron126

        Having gone through it - I hope this gets stickied. This is great.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tara668

        Possible typo in 5: (end of 2nd paragraph) 'Is my sister (is-->an) architect?'

        Thank you for all this!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SuzanneFau1

        Thank you for your time and trouble.


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Niemie12

        Thanks, that's helpful :)


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/NickRuiz3

        Спасибо!


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Qradien

        There needs to be a bookmark button. ;p


        https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morhow

        The frog is right!


        [deactivated user]

          How do you remove a language for ex. german?


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/redpopsicle258

          Go to the settings in your profile. Click "learning language" and underneath the button that says "see all language courses" are some gray words that say "reset or remove languages". Click on those gray words, and then you can remove German.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ReraCikap

          This is what I really want to know. Thank you!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sialia2

          Thank you for organizing and presenting this information so clearly!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dogdogcat

          Волшое спасибо, szeraja_zhaba. This has been very confusing to me!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UsernameAK

          Большое, not Волшое


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dogdogcat

          Ah yes, I think I know enough to catch that now!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mattenhall

          Very helpful. Hope this gets stickied.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DoloresMartyn

          Thanks for the detailed post, will definitely find this useful in the future! I just started duolingo with the Russia written in phonetic English and want to change it to cyrillic. Anyone know how to do this?


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Theron126

          Yes. In the top left corner of the screen there should be a little slider Aa-Яя. Slide it to Яя and it will change to Cyrillic.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alkajugl

          Hello, Theron126. I have just returned tp Duolingo after an illness, and I find so much that is different. For example, the skills are presented in English transliteration, and there is no "little slider" at the top of the screen (or anywhere else) to enable Cyrillic. I am used to reading Russian in Cyrillic, and I sometimes find it hard to understand the transliterations. I have searched for a soluion, but I don't seem to find any...But just now I went back and, yes, it's in Cyrillic. I don't know how it happened. There's still lots I don't understand (Sticky??), but at least I can read the exercises.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Theron126

          Sorry for the belated response. I've been away myself for the last couple weeks - in Russia! :-))) The slider to switch alphabet is located above the left end of the progress bar, next to the "Tips & Notes" button, when you're doing a lesson.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KZYJT10

          Awesome thank you for this!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Larisa_L

          A brilliant article, thank you very much!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WxYankee

          Thank you, it's very helpful !


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RussianHeath

          This is very helpful, sir frog. Thanks!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DavidJBowles

          Very useful, thank you for this. I'll need to read it another 5 times but it's slowly, sinking in.


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anneaugustine

          Thanks so much! This is very helpful and certainly will help me avoid confusion later on in the course!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tywysogescymreig

          This has cleared up so many things and helped me further my understanding yet again. I'm sure I'll be referring to this obsessively as I continue learning, haha!


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CarpeMinute

          I have been waiting two years for someone to explain this to me. None of my Russian friends could do it so well. There is now a spot on Evernote that will be yours forever! Thank you very much!!))


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cesardazah

          This cleared all my doubts, cпасибо !


          https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anzhiru

          это очень интересно. мне понравилось. в фразе Мои́ кни́ги на столе́. 'My books are on the table.' почему нет "My books are on a table" и если 'My books are on the table.' хотят, почему нет "Мои́ кни́ги на столе́ лежат"


          [deactivated user]

            «Мои книги на столе» может переводиться и "My books are on the table", и "My books are on a table".
            «Мои книги на столе» can be translated either as "My books are on the table", or "My books are on a table".

            и если 'My books are on the table.' хотят

            Я не понимаю этого предложения.
            I don't understand this sentence.

            почему нет "Мои́ кни́ги на столе́ лежат"

            Что значит «почему нет»? Эта фраза может использоваться, когда слушатель знает, что книги на столе, но не знает, лежат они или стоят:
            What does 'why not' mean? This phrase can be used, when the listener knows the books are on the table, but doesn't know if they are placed horizonally or vertically:

            — Твои книги стоят или лежат? 'Are your books on the table placed horizontally or vertically?'
            — Мои книги на столе лежат. 'My books are placed horizontally.'

            (То есть «мои книги» и «на столе» — известная информация, «лежат» — новая информация.)
            (That is, "my books" and "on the table" is known information, "lie" is the new information.)

            Или же её можно использовать как шутливый ответ:
            Or it can be used as a joke answer:

            — Что делают твои книги на столе? 'Why are your books on the table?' (literally: 'What are your books doing on the table?')
            — Мои книги на столе лежат. 'My books are placed there.' (i.e. it would mean there's no real reason to have the books on the table)


            https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anzhiru

            A fascinating answer! Что интересует меня в том, как объяснить использование статей на английском языке. Это кажется особенно трудным для русскоязычных. Ваше эссе "A guide to Russian word order" является первым шагом в этом направлении, но многие трудности остаются. Когда я исправить переводы с русского на английский самой большой проблемой является статья. Я хотел бы установить некоторые полезные рекомендации для обывателя. Так что мой вопрос остается: как же дифференцироваться в русском языке между "The books are on the table" и "The books are on a table (любой)". Я предполагаю, что вы будете говорить просто использовать слово "любой" во втором предложении.

            A


            [deactivated user]

              Я хотел бы установить некоторые полезные рекомендации для обывателя.

              Вряд ли существует волшебная рекоммендация, услышав которую люди сразу же начнут употреблять артикли правильно. Тут нужна практика.
              I don't think that there's a silver-bullet recommendation that would make people use articles correctly immediately. It takes practice.

              Так что мой вопрос остается: как же дифференцироваться в русском языке между "The books are on the table" и "The books are on a table (любой)".

              В общем случае: никак.
              Generally we don't make this difference.

              Конечно, можно при объяснении добавлять местоимения, например «Книги на том столе» 'The books are on that table' и «Книги на каком-то столе» 'The books are on some table', но ведь that ≠ the, some ≠ a.
              Of course, you can add pronouns when translating, for example «Книги на том столе» 'The books are on that table' и «Книги на каком-то столе» 'The books are on some table', but 'that' ≠ 'the', 'some' ≠ 'a'.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anzhiru

              Love it! Generally we don't make this difference. Of course, the factorisation (of reality) is different in Russian than in English. Конечно, факторизация (реальности) отличается на русском, чем на английском языке. Спасибою.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/vy.vy.fly

              Большое спасибо. Very helpful!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/D-Fortuna-Chun

              Very difficult, yet rewarding language. Thank you for this great help!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Morhow

              You haven't tried Hebrew.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xxBlackTies

              My cousin's girlfriend grew up with her dad speaking Hebrew and we were talking about learning new languages and I mention the difficult word order in Russian and she was telling me about how difficult it is in Hebrew!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Foxlay

              "the russian is a beauty language" this phrase is correct?


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anzhiru

              Sadly no.

              Correct is

              "Russian is a beautiful language." Is this phrase correct?


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mirville2

              Russian as a language never takes "the". You can say that Russian is a language of beauty, or that Russian is a language full of beauty, or more commonly that Russian is a beautiful language, which three things mean about the same thing with different shades. A language of beauty is a language the artistic beauty of which is the most important factor both as regards its apparition in history and its use in the contemporary world, a title I would gladly give to Italian as it was created to enable the production of works of art first and foremost and is mostly learnt nowadays by opera amateurs ; a language full of beauty means the same thing as regards its beauty but that its main characteristic is something else, like its utility to discuss politics, for instance, and that not everything in it is beauty : Soviet Russian looks more like Klingon than the language of Pushkin, Chekhov, Dostoyevski : I would rather thus qualify German, a language that can go to unsurpassed artistic summits and is as good as Italian at opera, but is generally learnt for scientific or ideological purposes. A beautiful language means that most things in it are beautiful even though the language is not necessarily meant to convey beauty, that is the case of Brazilian Portuguese, a very charming language spoken by people that generally have no concern for beauty as such. But to say that Russian is a beauty language is also permissible, with a very different meaning intended : it could very well mean that Russian is a most important language as regards beauty products, beauty parlours, i.e. cosmetics and hairdressing, a title I would rather give to French. This remark I have just made proves that English is not an easy language at all : the price to pay for the very little number of variable verb and noun grammatical forms is the very unpredictable meaning sequences of even very ordinary words can have. In Russian each one of this shade has a different word, and each one of this word is formed in a very predictable way.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gh5908

              Thank you for taking the time to post this!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/toomath

              Just found this. Awesome.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mcat1130

              Thank you, very helpful.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Porter.D

              I like using index cards to arrange the sentences. I think it helps greatly


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/R_Andersson

              Огромное спасибо за объяснение! Теперь мне нонятно. Спасибо большое!

              I also want to add that adjective can be succeed the noun in question when used in the predicate. "большой дом" 'a/the big house', "красивый цветок" 'a/the beautiful flower' turns into "дом -- большой/дом -- велик" 'the house is big' and "цветок -- красивый/цветок --красив" 'the flower is beautiful.'


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rizdvo

              Дом велик.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/R_Andersson

              Sorry. Somehow, I managed to hit the wrong key. Извините!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

              Не совсем так, в данном случае возникает вопрос - велик по отношению к чему? велик для чего? велик-это сравнительное прилагательное, которое предполагает объяснение. I will say "большой дом" 'a/the big house', "красивый цветок" 'a/the beautiful flower' turns into "дом -- большой/дом -- велик" 'the house is "to" big' (I would expect - to big for what?) and "цветок -- красивый/цветок --красив" 'the flower is to beautiful.' (I would expect answer - to beautiful compere to what?)

              Thank Shady_arc for correcting me here. Look down for changes.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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              Not really. Цветок красив can work on its own; it sounds bookish and dramatic, though.

              Also, Russian does not have anything called "сравнительное прилагательное". What does it even mean?


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

              http://school-assistant.ru/?predmet=russian&theme=stepeni_sravnenia_prilagatelnih This is from Russian resourse And this link how it does work in English https://www.native-english.ru/grammar/adjectives-degrees-of-comparison Not sure if I allowed to put links here, if not, i'm sorry, please moderate it.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

              And you're right You can use those on their own BUT if I want to say - beautiful flower - I say - красивый цветок, If i say - цветок красив - I will add something to it - цветок красив сам по себе, цветок красив на этом фоне и т.д.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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              OK. Now, if I say "Моё терпение не безгранично" should I add something else? Like, say that my patience is "not infinite" compared to something else? Should I continue the sentence? What about "Её терпение поистине безгранично"? Is "Моё терпение не безграничное" better? (reality check shows it is much worse).

              I do not think the "rule" of comparison works. Then again, I would not use "Цветок красив" altogether and if I used it to sound bookish I would not need to add anything. We can, however, look at how native speakers used short adjectives when they were more common:

              • Как-то особенно свеж и чист был воздух, или это казалось так, потому что сама я только что встала и была бодра и весела.
              • Выдернешь на снег окуня и удивляешься: до чего он красив!
              • Превосходная игра актеров, художнически написанный сценарий. Автор умен и талантлив.
              • Угроза выкидыша может быть велика
              • Довольно стандартно. Город очень красив, особенно, наверно, летом. Крещатик грандиозен.

              I think the predicative use of велик for "big" object is uncommon due to its awkwardness from all points of view at once. It is bookish; in speech it is used in contexts of trying clothing on ("too big"); it is much more common for "vast, large" amounts but not physically large objects; finally, it can be interpreted as "great, very important" (since великий means that).


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

              Огромное спасибо Вам за выражение сомнений. В споре рождается истина. Что собственно и толкнуло меня просмотреть школьную программу. Повторенье - мать учения)). Итак, в соответсвии со школьной программой.

              Полная форма прилагательного - красивый, красивая, красивое, красивые - изменяется по падежам, родам и числам. В предложении выполняет роль определения. Туристы совершили трудный и долгий подъём.

              Краткая форма прилагательного-красив, красива, красиво, красивы - по родам и числам (не изменяется по падежам, как полная форма) В предложении выполняет роль сказуемого. Подъём на вершину горы был долог и труден.

              So, if to get it in to English, I will say

              Full form will be - It is a beautiful flower

              Short form will be - The flower is beautiful.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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              • 117

              Не беспокойтесь, в школьной программе всё равно почти не изучается грамматика русского языка. ^_^ Вернее, так: изучаются только некоторые основные моменты и ряд приёмов, помогающих в правописании и в составлении текстов.

              • например, в школе не проходятся глаголы движения и почти не проходится вид. Это потрясающе, потому что это одни из важнейших разделов.
              • не указывается на то, что "твёрдые" к, г, х при добавлении окончаний всегда используют И, а не Ы (по аналогии с "мама"→"мамы" можно ожидать собака→собакы, но это не так).
              • в школе лишь поверхностно проходят спряжение глаголов (оно нужно только для безударных окончаний).
              • не думаю, что обращают внимание на образование повелительного наклонения (ждать→жди, поймать→поймай, стать→стань).

              Носители языка не совершают в этих вещах ошибок — так зачем изучать? :)

              Во всяком случае, так было лет 15-17 назад, когда я учился. Сомневаюсь, что это изменилось. Положа руку на сердце, нет смысла преподавать полновесную грамматику, которую и учителя русского (как родного) вряд ли знают. Из положительных моментов — насколько я знаю, сейчас в школе немножко учат, собственно, языку, а не только орфографии и пунктуации. В экзамен входит эссе, поэтому и в школе теперь есть эссе.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TatianaKhe

              У нас все было "по взрослому". Но время идет и правила почему так ф не этак - забываются, а вот такие вот дискуссии помогают сознательно освежить знания. Спасибо


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EyeLuvU

              This is really helpful! ^_^


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FURDENSIEG

              yeah it really is


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Crynaek

              Thanks for explaining the russian word order! I appreciate it.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MetroWestJP

              You said that when the object of the verb is a pronoun, it usually goes before the verb. In the Russian course, I've recently seen a couple of sentences where the object is a pronoun and it's placed after the verb. Under what circumstances should the pronoun be placed after the verb? I can't seem to find an explanation. Благодарю!


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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              • 117

              A pronoun as an object does not have to go before the verb. It is just that it can easily appear before or after. Pronouns are short and unstressed, so they are often used to keep the rhythm. These two are both OK:

              • Я не знаю её. = I do not know her.
              • Я её не знаю. = I do not know her.

              They are pretty much the same in terms of stress, message or flow. For a full-fledged noun, the latter position emphasises it as the topic. In this course, we usually opt for a more neutral word order:

              • Я не знаю ваших родителей. = I do not know your parents.

              Which is not to say that placing ваших родителей before is a mistake (in real life). It just means that the course usually focuses on more common / unremarkable phrasings. In Russian, you are fairly free to juggle the larger blocks around:

              • They have not read anything in a long while= Они давно ничего не читали. (the default option)
              • but also Давно они ничего не читали (stressed "давно")
              • Они не читали ничего давно (passable; "не читали" and "давно" must be stressed; probably works best in spoken speech)
              • Давно ничего они не читали (maybe in poetry?)
              • Не читали давно ничего они (odd)
              • Они не читали давно ничего. (in speech. . . maybe)

              None of these are incorrect in the same sense "In a long while, haven't read they anything" is ungrammatical in English. It is difficult to draw a line here.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/john64012

              Thanks for posting this, but another problem is moving from an English keyboard to Russian alone.


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/wayne902574

              Interesting.

              In Russian, is grammar important like it is in English? I.e., there are times in English when grammar is more important than communicating.

              Is Russian more focused upon communicating the content, or is it more focused on proper grammar?

              Regards,

              wayne


              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Shady_arc
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              • 117

              You know, that is a really odd question. Communication in a language IS grammar and syntax.

              This being said, native speakers of any language make some mistakes when building sentences in real time. If you check a transcript of a conversation with speakers involved they will, probably, realise that they would change from 1% to, maybe, 10% of all words if they had time to build their utterances (in a real conversation, though, you time is rather limited).

              • the exact percentage depends on the circumstances and on how prepared the speakers were. A person giving a speech at a conference will make very few mistakes, only occasionally stuttering or using a wrong word.

              https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nemesis_NaR

              You have sort of a typo in the part 5 - it's the sentence:

              'Is my sister is architect?'

              Btw - a moderator can delete this after it has been corrected.


              [deactivated user]

                Hello! I'm planning to fix these problems and rewrite some parts completely, but I keep procrastinating this :D


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mfcord

                Please stop procrastinating, because I really want to see this awesome guide becoming even awesomER.


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jenlynmor

                Wow thank you so much for this! I was just explaining that I was confused about this very thing to my roommate.


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/litrobotix

                Спасибо! Я уже знал все это, но мне было полезно повторить.


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/estradoss

                excellent, thanks


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElaP033

                Hey, thanks a lot )))))


                https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GlobalJim711

                According to the professors at Pushkin Institute in Moscow, any sentence can easily become a question by raising the intonation up to the word/part in question and then dropping your voice. Does that make sense to everyone?


                [deactivated user]

                  Yes, it's true that you can make any sentence into a question by changing the intonation.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jkloiu

                  Technically 'a' and 'an', but I still get it.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CzegldiTam

                  Thanks! That's helpful.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SoyJay
                  • 1501

                  Thank you so much for this <3


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VeraBotts

                  thank you good sir. my job has a requirement to speak and/ read two languages. This post helped me.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LaurianaB

                  THIS IS GREAT!!!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Raicchi_

                  Thank you so much!

                  I am still confused with these words: -добрый -спокойной -доброе -хороша They have the same meaning, but i didn't understand how, why, and when we use that words.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

                  добрый and доброе are two forms of the same word (see Wiktionary). It means good in the sense of kind, gracious, benign. It is an adjective (as in, it describes something or someone, like "glad").

                  спокойной means calm (the base form is спокойный), it just so happens that you typically wish each other a calm night instead of a good night in Russian.

                  хороша is an adverb (as in, it describes how something is or is done, like "gladly"), and its base form is хорошо. It means well, fine, but can also be translated as good, for example when used as an exclamation.

                  You'll get used to when to use which as you go along! :-)

                  (Edit: Lots of little edits -- I've only had one cup of coffee yet...)


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rembocoder

                  You are wrong, "хороша" is not an adverb, it's called "short form of adjective", so it is just a short form of "хорошая". It is often used as a predicate, like "она была хороша" – "she was nice"; "я хорош (masculine form) в настольных играх" – "I am good at board games". But if you want to say "I read a good book" you must use the normal form: "я прочитал хорошую книгу".


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Raicchi_

                  Are you a native speaker?


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Raicchi_

                  So, if someone says they are okay (their conditions), they used хопоша? And when we use that base words?

                  (Note: Don't drink too much coffee...)


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/annika_a

                  As in how things are going? I'm only a fellow learner, but I think so, yes. Maybe a native speaker can weigh in on this...


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Raicchi_

                  Thank you! Now i understand how it works ^-^ .


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rembocoder

                  We usually say "всё хорошо" (literally "everything is good") or "у меня всё хорошо". We never say "хорошо" or "хороший" about people in terms of their condition, instead we say "дела у него хороши" – "his business is doing good".


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ericmendes17

                  Thank you a lot!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HanKang_2003

                  thank you, that really helped)


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WellPardim

                  Thank you. It was pretty helpful!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nuuska-muikkunen

                  Большое спасибо! Very clearly explained, i've always had a bit problems with this.


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Araucoforever

                  Thank you so much for a great explanation that I was looking for quite some time!!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Annalytical

                  Very clear and easy to understand, thanks


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RedBrother

                  Very useful information


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TangguhNI

                  You were good son, real good. Maybe even the best!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/xKik99x

                  Спасибо!


                  https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kathy427595

                  Wow! I learned more from you than all the books I've been reading. Your explanation made sense. I'm an author and working on a book with a Russian character. I took some Russian 30 years ago in high school, and forgot most of it. I want to learn so I can portray the character accurately and understand how he would "think" and speak to his co workers. Perhaps we should team up and write a book? I can do all the formatting, and definitely would enjoy learning as much as I can. Been taking the Duolingo for 232 days and some things click, and other things I can't seem to get no matter what. The cases are really doing me in.


                  [deactivated user]

                    Perhaps we should team up and write a book?

                    Sorry, I’m not pretty busy right now so I’ll have to decline. But thanks for the suggestion! I’m really honoured.


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kathy427595

                    Aw, pity! You have a wonderful way of explaining things. I have yet to find a good book that breaks everything down into small parts for understanding. Most books launch you right into the middle of things without thinking that maybe this person has never dealt with cases and genders before (oh, they are in English, but few people think much about them--me included!). Well, if you get time, look me up, I'd be happy to help put everything together.


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TommysCY

                    good job, thanks


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LinguaFranca2018

                    Хорошо Благодарю!


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KomaGawa

                    what a lingot haul!


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Mel_italian

                    So helpful. Thank you


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KLA596609

                    I would suggest learn the basics for Russian , then focus on reading mostly so that how grammar comes , speaking as a practice next ... never could survive grammar in school ... only reading gave fluency ... and try to see the route of every word , this will give you so many other meanings once you start recognising other parts ...


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CapitaoPacoca

                    Thank you! It helped me very much!


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EddieBratl1

                    great article !


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/magdasokk

                    Большое спасибо)


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Daniel718696

                    "But when object is a pronoun, it usually precedes the verb: я его зна́ю 'I know him', я ничего́ не ви́жу 'I see nothing'."

                    If you place pronouns after the predicate, the sentence will sound as natural: я знаю его 'I know him', я не вижу ничего 'I see nothing'.


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/anatbst

                    You mean "will not sound natural"?


                    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Daniel718696

                    No, I mean that sentences will sound natural in both cases. Pronouns can precede the verb or follow it.

                    Я вижу его. Я его вижу.

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