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OMG, prepositions!

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Does anyone else struggle with these? Some are obvious, but there are just so many thrown at you all at once in the tree. I'm definitely struggling to memorize them more than anything else up to this point.

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/zubiz
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Course creators mentioned that they are preparing the v2.0 of the tree which will specifically address that issue by dividing propositions into different lessons so that they are not thrown at you all at once. That said, I completely agree with jirka that eo propositions are not that difficult at all. English propositions are incomparably more difficult than esperanto ones.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amuzulo
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I just want to confirm that we're well aware of this problem and have mostly fixed it in Tree 2.0, but you'll only see it once we publish the new tree. I hope everyone can hang in there in the meantime!

I recently suffered through them in Swedish and yeah, it's crazy hard...

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jirka92122
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One of the things that I struggled with was the hint that Esperanto prepositions have a fixed week defined meaning, but it is very difficult to find any consider guide as to what this meaning is. But eventually I figured it out, it's not actually that bad. :). De vs. da and de vs. el turned out to be the most difficult for me. You then realize that English prepositions are totally illogical and then you think, "how did I ever lean those?" :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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I'm curious what you mean about it being difficult to find a guide about what the prepositions mean. Do you mean within Duolingo or do you mean in general? If anybody can't find a guide for what the prepositions mean, ask me. I will find one... or write one if necessary.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jirka92122
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I guess there tips and notes do explain many of them, but you have to hunt around a bit. When trying to decide on a proposition it would be nice to have one page/document where the complete rules and meanings for propositions would be explained. Most things I found on the net were very short and ambiguous. In the end what I found was pmeg for this purpose, but unfortunately that's only after your Esperanto reading is passable. I also haven't spent way too much time googling for it. So I can't positively say one doesn't exist.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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Did you try a dictionary? If so, in what way was that not helpful? This is a serious question. I have tutored Esperanto by e-mail for the last 17 years and nobody has ever said to me that they have a hard time knowing the literal meanings of prepositions. I'm curious if it's a result of the current methods and web-sites in favor.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jirka92122
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It could be the way my mind works. I am a mathematician, and so dictionaries which simply give English equivalents were not good enough, I like precise definitions. If a dictionary gives "from" as one of the meanings of de, and el is also translated as "from", I was confused. Maybe I was looking at the wrong dictionary. I can't say it was too difficult to figure it out, but there was a bit of a struggle at first. Maybe most people are more willing to experiment and be wrong than I am, and so I don't absorb it so quickly. Once I could read Esperanto, there is definitely enough material in Esperanto about it to satisfy me :)

Also I didn't have much trouble with Duolingo's prepositions lesson. Where I had trouble was when trying to construct sentences on my own outside of Duolingo.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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Well, I can see how "de" could give problems ... and there's certainly room in the world for an intermediate (or remedial-advanced) course in the difference between "de" and "el", On the other hand "da" really is tricky and many advanced speakers don't know all the fine points (notably the authors of the 10 lesson Free Esperanto Course "FEC").

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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Which prepositions are you having trouble with? Most of them have good mnemonics associated with them.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wardjm
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Any of the new ones really. I was just commenting on the shock of receiving them all at once rather than slowly throughout the course. Anything that was introduced earlier, I have down. Really, I'll learn them fine with practice. It just seemed unusually cruel compared to other lessons for some reason. Yes, I'm sure English prepositions are horribly illogical. I can't comment on that since it is my native language and is hence very natural to me.

2 years ago