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"I am working with twelve employees."

Translation:Pracuję z dwunastoma pracownikami.

March 9, 2016



Numbers declension makes me sad.


Why does it have to be "dwunastoma" and not "dwanascie" here?


Numbers also declinate with cases. „Dwunastoma” is the instrumental case of „dwanaście”.


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just when you start to think you're getting it...


The rules you provided state that 12 uses genitive. So does the "z" using instrumental supercede the need for genitive after the number? This is so confusing!


The rules you mention only apply when you would normally use nominative or accusative. You can say that all the other cases are immune to that change.


This is a horrid rule... How can languages possibly get harder than this?


'Z dwunastu pracownikami' was rejected, but in the instrumental case aren't both dwunastoma and dwunastu both correct?


I don't think that „dwunastu” is a valid instrumental form, sorry.


Thanks for getting back to me, Vengir. My confusion arises because in the tables in the book (Polish Verbs and Essentials of Grammer / Swan) it gives both forms - -oma and -u forms as optional for instrumental for some reason, also stating "The instrumental forms in-oma are optional, alongside forms in -u" but I will make a point of not using the - u form from now on. The book wasn't written by a Polish native by the looks if things.


According to wikisłownik, this is indeed the case for siedmioma/siedmiu, but seemingly not for the neighbouring numbers (https://pl.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/siedem)


A Polish grammar says that also the -u ending is valid alongside with the -oma ending. Is this not correct: z dwunastu pracownikami? (Teach yourself Polish edition 1964)


I, the course creators, and some more people had a discussion about this. The conclusion we've come up to is that the -u form in instrumental is best avoided, regardless of whether grammar books allow it or not. Because even though we did find some phrases with the -u form in instrumental, it's not used commonly overall and is thus considered incorrect by some.


Thank you for your clear explanation. Sometimes I ask myself why the hell am I learning this impossibly complex language? Nevertheless it's lots of fun once you have mastered another hopelessly difficult subject such as numbers in all their forms ...


Hang on. DwUnastoma? OK, endings are going to be weird (TABLE PLEASE) but where did the 'u' come from?


Table: here (yes, Wiktionary, I know): https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dwana%C5%9Bcie#Declension

Reason: Hmmm... it seems to come from a rather outdated form of "dwa" that is still shown in this table for 2: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dwa#Declension_3

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