Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from March 6th to March 13th
A short list of updates
This week we have updates from four course teams and now it is time to reinstate the Star Update Awards. This week's award goes to the Hungarian team who have been consistently updating us with their progress.
Another graduation The German for Arabic course has graduated to beta! Congratulations to the course team and team Duolingo for playing their part in making our world a better place amidst our chaos.
PHASE 1 Progress: Total
German for Arabic - 95% | 99% | 99% | Beta!
Vietnamese for English - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 31-Jan-2050
Guarani for Spanish - 99% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Spanish for Chinese - 98% | 98% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Greek for English - 97% | 98% | 100% | 100% (+0) 5-May-2016
English for Thai - 97% | 98% | 98% | 98% (+0)
Hebrew for English - 81% | 87% | 94% | 97% (+3) 10-Jun-2016
German for Italian - 81% | 81% | 82% | 82% (+0)
Romanian for English - 76% | 77% | 78% | 82% (+4) *
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
Esperanto for Spanish - 54% | 64% | 68% | 71% (+3)
Spanish for Italian - 66% | 66% | 66% | 66% (+0)
Swedish for Russian - 61% | 62% | 62% | 62% (+0)
Portuguese for French - 59% | 59% | 59% | 59% (+0)
Swahili for English - 47% | 49% | 49% | 49% (+0)
Italian for Portuguese - 43% | 44% | 44% | 44% (+0)
Russian for Turkish - 39% | 43% | 43% | 43% (+0) 31-Dec-2016
French for Turkish - 39% | 39% | 39% | 39% (+0)
Czech for English - 34% | 36% | 37% | 38% (+1) 17-Apr-2017 ^
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) 15-Aug-2016 ^
Klingon for English - 21% | 21% | 21% | 21% (+0) 1-Aug-2016
French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)
Korean for English - 8% | 12% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Indonesian for English - 1% | 1% | 1% | 1% (+0)
Course - 3 weeks ago | 2 weeks ago | a week ago | Now (Progress delta); Estimated Launch Date (provided by contributors) (Date delta)
Estimated Launch Date only when provided by the course contributors
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Mean - 1.97% | 1.30% | 0.56% | 0.46% (-0.10)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).
Good news from duolingo!
another week has passed and I have very good news to report. We've heard back from the helpful duolingo community about our audio files. The good news is that we'll get additional recordings and that we can get them while the course is in beta, meaning that they won't cause any delays.
While waiting for a reply, we set out to move two skills to earlier in the course (accusative case and the indefinite and definite conjugations) and we're adding some further useful everyday words.
We've made very good progress on this --- the sentences and words are ready and just have to be implemented. If we keep up the pace, I'm confident that we can be done in a couple of weeks --- rather than giving you a precise date, we'll give you more frequent updates to tell you where we are.
As soon as this is done, we'll lock the tree and go to beta!
We've heard back from duolingo about our recordings --- we'll get more! We're doing some final changes we have to do before beta, and you'll get more frequent updates about our progress over the next couple of weeks.
Feel free to join the groups and conversations on facebook and Google+ to discuss your motivations for learning Hungarian, chat with fellow enthusiasts and vent your frustration about when we're going into beta.. :-)
Thanks for the patience, have a great weekend and you'll hear from us soon!
760 words, 38.0%. Still working on the Places skill (the locative case), Months, and Body Parts, as well as Present 2 and Adjectives 1. With two recently added contributors, we are at least active in more places simultaneously than before.
And Team Hungarian, that makes you the winner of this week's Star Update Award!
Tangazo la Tisa
Elimu bila amali ni kama nta bila asali!
Of the three goals we set last week, we've finished only one – the Tips and Notes sections are complete for all skills! While a low percentage of users utilize the Tips and Notes within courses, we encourage Swahili learners to read these sections in order to understand the grammar. This will greatly help in building a fundamental understanding and foundation upon which to really dive deep into Swahili. By the end of the course, learners should be proficient enough to hold basic conversations, read basic news articles or publications, etc.
That is the reason for this week's Swahili proverb. Translated, it says “Education without discipline is like beeswax without honey.” Using the Tips and Notes for the Swahili course will be necessary in order to get the honey of the language.
New course words are being slowly added. The challenge in the past week has been figuring out how to accommodate the new Incubator feature that is supposed to make agglutinative languages easier to input, theoretically. You can read more about the issue we are facing here.
Given the new ability to sort out agglutination, we might have to do some restructuring of our lessons, much like the Korean team. We're awaiting a response to this ticket before we decide what to do. For that reason, we are keeping our progress level at 49% but setting the Estimated Completion Date back one month, at the least. I believe that a restructuring of the course using this feature will definitely make things easier in the long-run, so fingers-crossed that we can proceed with that route!
Also – we are not currently accepting Alpha Tester applications. Please do not apply right now because your application will likely be overlooked and disregarded! Please see our previous update for the rationale behind this. I will be sure to make an update once we are opening up the course to new AT applicants!
Msisahau kuvaa rangi ya kijani Alhamisi ijayo! - Don't forget to wear green this Thursday!
Ĝisdatigo 7 | Actualización 7
72%, otra semana en que avanzamos 4%, aunque con más oraciones.
1350 palabras y 200 imágenes
The German for Arabic course has graduated to beta. This week's edition includes only four course updates since 'yours truely' was able to address the backlog last week.
The next update is expected on Sunday, 20th of March at 4:00 pm UTC.
Previous Update 28-Feb to 6-Mar
I'm excited for the Czech course. I have to say, also, that nueby is really great about regular updates. It's really nice to get a short update every week or two instead of just kind of wondering for months at a time if things are progressing or on hold. Thanks, nueby!!
I wish duolingo team implemented some permutation algorithm to accomodate for free word order languages so that team contributors didn't have to do all that hard, redundant work.
I suspect that as time goes on and they wrestle with more languages, the more the tools will adapt to situations like that. It's not going to be simple or easy, the end result makes perfect sense, but to actually get it working, someone essentially has to sit there and tell a computer a set of rules on how languages work at a very low level. Sounds like a fascinating challenge, but I wouldn't even know where to start...
I was thinking of something more simple, like making duo recognise sentence as correct when two given words or word groups are swapped. This should be fairly easy to code and also faster to use by contributors.
With all these courses going to Beta, there must be some new courses coming along soon for the incubator. I wonder what they'll be.
Pretty nice update. but Indonesian (from what I know) is at 5% now, or I just might be wrong.
Either way, this is looking good, lots of 100%'s these days :-D
I'm so excited for the Greek course! I talked to a Greek contributor as well!
Jiten, why do you still put the Hungarian course at 80% when they are at 95% ? Also Indonesian is at 5%
Once the course team has indicated that they prefer to give their own percentages for the WIU rather than use the calculated incubator ones, Jiten uses those. Since they reported 80%, the Hungarian team has not provided an estimated percentage, and I don't think they want to since it might mislead people about the course release date... So 80% is what Jiten continues to report. Clearly from their updates they are beyond 80%, but I think the content of their updates is more important than any number they could give.
The Hungarian percentage simply cannot be estimated anymore it seems. A few weeks ago they were ready with all the sentences, but now they need a few more weeks for other stuff. Just read it as 'indefinitely close to beta'.
Hi Kozmo, just as cdub4language & Vedun have said, the last official word from the Hungarian team gave their progress at 80% and unfortunately I will have to stick to it. Where do you read the Indonesian progress at 5%? (I must admit that currently I am not using the userscript that I was using in the past).
The average is definitely distorted by the logjam of courses waiting for Beta.
Without the five courses that have spent several weeks on 95%+ and Hungarian, the average would be 0,61%. More than last week (if we don't adjust that one as well) but definitely on the slower end.
As BrandenRyan said in the Swahili for English speakers update,
New course words are being slowly added. The challenge in the past week has been figuring out how to accommodate the new Incubator feature that is supposed to make agglutinative languages easier to input, theoretically.
Maybe some other teams temporarily slowed down for the same reason? I can even see how this new feature would be a little useful for languages that have a few prefixes and suffixes with their own meanings. :)
Does anyone happen to know of any updates from team Guaraní? I'm not actually impatient, and please trust when I say I understand all sorts of things about the final stages before going into beta (that is, I'm not someone just whining that it's been at 100% and not done...)
I'm just sincerely curious as to whether anyone has spoken to anyone on the team and has anything by way of an announcement on if the course is already in the hands of the Duolingo staff or if the team is still doing final touches. Understandably, the team hasn't been very responsive to the people spamming their individual walls with information requests.
It's even possible that the team is far from the finishing touches. Likewise, see the difference between the self-reported progress and the automatically calculated progress for Czech for English speakers at https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/cs/en/status .
This is true, I am aware of this as well. Though, in most cases when the automatic percentage is bogus, the course starts out at an artificially high number. In this case, Guaraní did, in fact, start at 0 and work it's way all the way up to 100% (though, with one otherwise suspiciously high percentage jump from 79 to 99 in one week). Of course, this is partially the reason I asked in the first place, but my guess (sans an update pointing out otherwise) is that the course is, in fact, nearing completion.
That is a good question, there is almost no actualizations about the course. I am very anxious to see it here, I would like to know if the recordings are ready, or even if they already started (as far as I know they won't use TTS, I didn't find it anywhere).
Grammar of other languages (Not in the incubator)
I added only the courses which have a table of contents or links to move from lesson to lesson. And only the ones which didn't enter to the incubator.
The Swahili team gave a link to something to read more, but I can't access it, can anyone else access it and if so could they provide me with a working link please, or the gist of what was said?
Only incubator contributors can access this page. It's about the new system for agglutinative languages that team Korean recently mentioned as well. Basically several contributors are wondering how and in what cases we are supposed to use it, and in what cases we'd better stick to the standard method of entering words.
Thank you. Why did they provide a link to something only contributors can access...? Anyway, did they receive a response?
I realized after I posted that it was a link to something internal in the Incubator, but left it for the sake of other contributors that might have been interested. Sorry! We received a response and we're looking into how we want to proceed now!
French for Chinese, Portuguese for French and Spanish for Italian all seem to be abandoned...
Hungarian was thought to have been abandoned for a long time, and yet look at them go now! Hope is not lost!
A month ago, Portuguese for French was among the most active courses. Things come up.
Spanish for Italian has been quiet for a long time, though. And French for Chinese yeah, a very long time.
No worries about Portuguese for French....we are reviewing and correcting stuff in FR->PT and PT->FR courses simultaneously before focusing in sentence's translations again! Never abandoned :)
Portuguese for French has made good progress in every week except for 3 weeks ago - this course it not abandoned at all! The other two you mentioned made very, very few progress, but at least there is some very small movement.
He didn't overlooked it, because the update was posted two hours after Jitengore's post.
Πάμε ελληνική ομάδα!! As a student of Ancient Greek and a frequent visitor to Greece I'm so excited to learn Modern Greek through Duolingo!