https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore

Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from March 6th to March 13th

A short list of updates
This week we have updates from four course teams and now it is time to reinstate the Star Update Awards. This week's award goes to the Hungarian team who have been consistently updating us with their progress.

Another graduation The German for Arabic course has graduated to beta! Congratulations to the course team and team Duolingo for playing their part in making our world a better place amidst our chaos.

PHASE 1 Progress: Total 24 courses

German for Arabic - 95% | 99% | 99% | Beta!

Vietnamese for English - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 31-Jan-2050

Guarani for Spanish - 99% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)

Spanish for Chinese - 98% | 98% | 100% | 100% (+0)

Greek for English - 97% | 98% | 100% | 100% (+0) 5-May-2016

English for Thai  - 97% | 98% | 98% | 98% (+0)

Hebrew for English - 81% | 87% | 94% | 97% (+3) 10-Jun-2016

German for Italian - 81% | 81% | 82% | 82% (+0)

Romanian for English - 76% | 77% | 78% | 82% (+4) *

Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^

Esperanto for Spanish - 54% | 64% | 68% | 71% (+3)

Spanish for Italian - 66% | 66% | 66% | 66% (+0)

Swedish for Russian - 61% | 62% | 62% | 62% (+0)

Portuguese for French - 59% | 59% | 59% | 59% (+0)

Swahili for English - 47% | 49% | 49% | 49% (+0) 1-Jul-2016 ^

Italian for Portuguese - 43% | 44% | 44% | 44% (+0)

Russian for Turkish - 39% | 43% | 43% | 43% (+0) 31-Dec-2016

French for Turkish - 39% | 39% | 39% | 39% (+0)

Czech for English - 34% | 36% | 37% | 38% (+1) 17-Apr-2017 ^

Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) 15-Aug-2016 ^

Klingon for English - 21% | 21% | 21% | 21% (+0) 1-Aug-2016

French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)

Korean for English - 8% | 12% | 8% | 8% (+0)

Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)

Indonesian for English - 1% | 1% | 1% | 1% (+0)

Legend:
Course - 3 weeks ago | 2 weeks ago | a week ago | Now (Progress delta); Estimated Launch Date (provided by contributors) (Date delta)

Estimated Launch Date only when provided by the course contributors

* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation

Mean - 1.97% | 1.30% | 0.56% | 0.46% (-0.10)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)

Progress Visualized:

Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).

AndrsBrny from Team Hungarian wrote 22 hours ago:

Good news from duolingo!

Hello everyone,

another week has passed and I have very good news to report. We've heard back from the helpful duolingo community about our audio files. The good news is that we'll get additional recordings and that we can get them while the course is in beta, meaning that they won't cause any delays.

Final efforts

While waiting for a reply, we set out to move two skills to earlier in the course (accusative case and the indefinite and definite conjugations) and we're adding some further useful everyday words.

We've made very good progress on this --- the sentences and words are ready and just have to be implemented. If we keep up the pace, I'm confident that we can be done in a couple of weeks --- rather than giving you a precise date, we'll give you more frequent updates to tell you where we are.

As soon as this is done, we'll lock the tree and go to beta!

Summary (tl;dr)

We've heard back from duolingo about our recordings --- we'll get more! We're doing some final changes we have to do before beta, and you'll get more frequent updates about our progress over the next couple of weeks.

Feel free to join the groups and conversations on facebook and Google+ to discuss your motivations for learning Hungarian, chat with fellow enthusiasts and vent your frustration about when we're going into beta.. :-)

Thanks for the patience, have a great weekend and you'll hear from us soon!

nueby from Team Czech wrote 10 hours ago:

Week 36

760 words, 38.0%. Still working on the Places skill (the locative case), Months, and Body Parts, as well as Present 2 and Adjectives 1. With two recently added contributors, we are at least active in more places simultaneously than before.

And Team Hungarian, that makes you the winner of this week's Star Update Award!

BrandenRyan from Team Swahili wrote 7 hours ago:

Tangazo la Tisa

Elimu bila amali ni kama nta bila asali!

Course Update

Of the three goals we set last week, we've finished only one – the Tips and Notes sections are complete for all skills! While a low percentage of users utilize the Tips and Notes within courses, we encourage Swahili learners to read these sections in order to understand the grammar. This will greatly help in building a fundamental understanding and foundation upon which to really dive deep into Swahili. By the end of the course, learners should be proficient enough to hold basic conversations, read basic news articles or publications, etc.

That is the reason for this week's Swahili proverb. Translated, it says “Education without discipline is like beeswax without honey.” Using the Tips and Notes for the Swahili course will be necessary in order to get the honey of the language.

New course words are being slowly added. The challenge in the past week has been figuring out how to accommodate the new Incubator feature that is supposed to make agglutinative languages easier to input, theoretically. You can read more about the issue we are facing here.

Given the new ability to sort out agglutination, we might have to do some restructuring of our lessons, much like the Korean team. We're awaiting a response to this ticket before we decide what to do. For that reason, we are keeping our progress level at 49% but setting the Estimated Completion Date back one month, at the least. I believe that a restructuring of the course using this feature will definitely make things easier in the long-run, so fingers-crossed that we can proceed with that route!

Also – we are not currently accepting Alpha Tester applications. Please do not apply right now because your application will likely be overlooked and disregarded! Please see our previous update for the rationale behind this. I will be sure to make an update once we are opening up the course to new AT applicants!

Msisahau kuvaa rangi ya kijani Alhamisi ijayo! - Don't forget to wear green this Thursday!

Lextum8 from Team EO for ES wrote an hour ago:

Ĝisdatigo 7 | Actualización 7

72%, otra semana en que avanzamos 4%, aunque con más oraciones.

1350 palabras y 200 imágenes

TL;DR

The German for Arabic course has graduated to beta. This week's edition includes only four course updates since 'yours truely' was able to address the backlog last week.

The next update is expected on Sunday, 20th of March at 4:00 pm UTC.

Previous Update 28-Feb to 6-Mar

Last updates from:
2016: Feb, Jan
2015: Dec, Nov, Oct, Sep, Aug, Jul, Jun, May, Apr, Mar, Feb, Jan
2014: Dec, Nov, Oct, Sep, Aug, Jul, Jun, May, Apr, Mar, Feb, Jan, 1st.

March 13, 2016

53 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Lrtward

I'm excited for the Czech course. I have to say, also, that nueby is really great about regular updates. It's really nice to get a short update every week or two instead of just kind of wondering for months at a time if things are progressing or on hold. Thanks, nueby!!

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

I wish duolingo team implemented some permutation algorithm to accomodate for free word order languages so that team contributors didn't have to do all that hard, redundant work.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/chilvence

I suspect that as time goes on and they wrestle with more languages, the more the tools will adapt to situations like that. It's not going to be simple or easy, the end result makes perfect sense, but to actually get it working, someone essentially has to sit there and tell a computer a set of rules on how languages work at a very low level. Sounds like a fascinating challenge, but I wouldn't even know where to start...

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

I was thinking of something more simple, like making duo recognise sentence as correct when two given words or word groups are swapped. This should be fairly easy to code and also faster to use by contributors.

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jarcher77

With all these courses going to Beta, there must be some new courses coming along soon for the incubator. I wonder what they'll be.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/_Story_

Wow, It's so great. A course Vietnamese for English.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

Three more weeks...

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/_Story_

Yes, but I can wait it.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/miacomet

More like 34 years, by the looks of it. :P

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/LangAddict

Pretty nice update. but Indonesian (from what I know) is at 5% now, or I just might be wrong.

Either way, this is looking good, lots of 100%'s these days :-D

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/CynthiaLearnsNL

Yeah, congratulations Team Romania!

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Robloxian_Kitten

I'm so excited for the Greek course! I talked to a Greek contributor as well!

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza

Jiten, why do you still put the Hungarian course at 80% when they are at 95% ? Also Indonesian is at 5%

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/cdub4language

Once the course team has indicated that they prefer to give their own percentages for the WIU rather than use the calculated incubator ones, Jiten uses those. Since they reported 80%, the Hungarian team has not provided an estimated percentage, and I don't think they want to since it might mislead people about the course release date... So 80% is what Jiten continues to report. Clearly from their updates they are beyond 80%, but I think the content of their updates is more important than any number they could give.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

The Hungarian percentage simply cannot be estimated anymore it seems. A few weeks ago they were ready with all the sentences, but now they need a few more weeks for other stuff. Just read it as 'indefinitely close to beta'.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/jitengore

Hi Kozmo, just as cdub4language & Vedun have said, the last official word from the Hungarian team gave their progress at 80% and unfortunately I will have to stick to it. Where do you read the Indonesian progress at 5%? (I must admit that currently I am not using the userscript that I was using in the past).

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Medard

Yes, Indonesian is at 5% A week ago it was at 2%.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/PinefrostLTU

By just going to the course page, it says 5%

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmoKaiza

I am using the userscript and I see that it is at 5.2%

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex

Same here:

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/SeptimusBones

Bit of a slow week, eh?

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/cdub4language

The calm before the storm of Hungarian and Vietnamese being released :-)

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/anyom

only 11% were made out of all the courses

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis

The average is definitely distorted by the logjam of courses waiting for Beta.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer

Without the five courses that have spent several weeks on 95%+ and Hungarian, the average would be 0,61%. More than last week (if we don't adjust that one as well) but definitely on the slower end.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis

Yeah... The majority of courses are either done or not visibly active.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19

What an interesting statistic.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

As BrandenRyan said in the Swahili for English speakers update,

New course words are being slowly added. The challenge in the past week has been figuring out how to accommodate the new Incubator feature that is supposed to make agglutinative languages easier to input, theoretically.

Maybe some other teams temporarily slowed down for the same reason? I can even see how this new feature would be a little useful for languages that have a few prefixes and suffixes with their own meanings. :)

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/frankenstein724

Does anyone happen to know of any updates from team Guaraní? I'm not actually impatient, and please trust when I say I understand all sorts of things about the final stages before going into beta (that is, I'm not someone just whining that it's been at 100% and not done...)

I'm just sincerely curious as to whether anyone has spoken to anyone on the team and has anything by way of an announcement on if the course is already in the hands of the Duolingo staff or if the team is still doing final touches. Understandably, the team hasn't been very responsive to the people spamming their individual walls with information requests.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue

It's even possible that the team is far from the finishing touches. Likewise, see the difference between the self-reported progress and the automatically calculated progress for Czech for English speakers at https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/cs/en/status .

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/frankenstein724

This is true, I am aware of this as well. Though, in most cases when the automatic percentage is bogus, the course starts out at an artificially high number. In this case, Guaraní did, in fact, start at 0 and work it's way all the way up to 100% (though, with one otherwise suspiciously high percentage jump from 79 to 99 in one week). Of course, this is partially the reason I asked in the first place, but my guess (sans an update pointing out otherwise) is that the course is, in fact, nearing completion.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany

That is a good question, there is almost no actualizations about the course. I am very anxious to see it here, I would like to know if the recordings are ready, or even if they already started (as far as I know they won't use TTS, I didn't find it anywhere).

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/xavi_fr

Grammar of other languages (Not in the incubator)

Basque(1)- Basque(2)- Bulgarian- Chinese(1)- Chinese(2)- Croatian- Finnish- Georgian- Greenlandic- Hebrew- Japanese- Latin- Lithuanian- Macedonian- Maltese- Nahuatl- Others

I added only the courses which have a table of contents or links to move from lesson to lesson. And only the ones which didn't enter to the incubator.

http://pasted.co/753960a1 - click to see the code

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/airelibre

Hebrew is in the incubator, (although not for much longer!).

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/xavi_fr

ouch, well next time i will delete it :D

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/akshan

Greek team and Magyar team are my heroes))

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Roman_Huczok

The Swahili team gave a link to something to read more, but I can't access it, can anyone else access it and if so could they provide me with a working link please, or the gist of what was said?

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/sommerlied

Only incubator contributors can access this page. It's about the new system for agglutinative languages that team Korean recently mentioned as well. Basically several contributors are wondering how and in what cases we are supposed to use it, and in what cases we'd better stick to the standard method of entering words.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Roman_Huczok

Thank you. Why did they provide a link to something only contributors can access...? Anyway, did they receive a response?

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/BrandenRyan

I realized after I posted that it was a link to something internal in the Incubator, but left it for the sake of other contributors that might have been interested. Sorry! We received a response and we're looking into how we want to proceed now!

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

French for Chinese, Portuguese for French and Spanish for Italian all seem to be abandoned...

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/cdub4language

Hungarian was thought to have been abandoned for a long time, and yet look at them go now! Hope is not lost!

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/therealpalumbo

And we all remember the situation with Polish.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Maxim_SMWD

Don't even get me started on Greek

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevinguy19

Don't forget Romanian and Russian!

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/DrSwordopolis

A month ago, Portuguese for French was among the most active courses. Things come up.

Spanish for Italian has been quiet for a long time, though. And French for Chinese yeah, a very long time.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Vedun

Yeah I hope they renew progress, especially the latter.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/Bruno_de_Brito

No worries about Portuguese for French....we are reviewing and correcting stuff in FR->PT and PT->FR courses simultaneously before focusing in sentence's translations again! Never abandoned :)

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/MultiLinguAlex

Portuguese for French has made good progress in every week except for 3 weeks ago - this course it not abandoned at all! The other two you mentioned made very, very few progress, but at least there is some very small movement.

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

There's also a Romanian update you seem to have overlooked.

March 13, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/vegjjany

He didn't overlooked it, because the update was posted two hours after Jitengore's post.

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/blissperry

Πάμε ελληνική ομάδα!! As a student of Ancient Greek and a frequent visitor to Greece I'm so excited to learn Modern Greek through Duolingo!

March 14, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/KxngDeo.

Klingon is probably gonna be the last course to be finished on that list :P

April 1, 2016
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