https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luke_5.1991

UPDATE! [Tree 2.0] arriving soon to a Norwegian course near you!

soon

We have finished work on our second tree version. While new users will be the first to experience the new tree, after a brief testing period, all users will have access if the testing is successful. What a wonderful day in Duolingo Norwegian history!

UPDATE APRIL 19: The new tree has been released to HALF of all users. Have fun trying it out if it's available to you!

-Det norske laget

March 18, 2016

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

A big thank you to our three lovely alpha testers as well!

Amaratea, mjaumjaupurr and Tattamin have been testing and providing feedback on the new tree, making sure it's looking spotless from a learner's point of view.

You rock!

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/otsogutxi

I missed out! I would have loved to help:)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Hopefully you'll get into the A/B test!

We were limited to three alpha tester spots, and biased as I am I ended up picking only felines. ;)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

Miauw !!!

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/otsogutxi

The A/B test is for new users though:)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

Discrimination! But serious, the testers you selected are clearly outstanding language learners with a lot of time, required for such a task. I wouldn't be able to do that, neither having the time and/or the skills. Good luck with the next step, it is exciting, though, what you are all getting accomplished!

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Initially, yes. But if it looks promising, then the test is expanded to old users as well:

"If metrics look good for new learners, the test will be expanded to all learners, including existing students in the course (and those learners will get a notification that their tree has changed)."

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

Just wondering whether such an 'upgrade' of a Duolingo course has ever been done before? As a programmer I would get nervous if the transition will go smoothly for existing learners... in IT, anything can go wrong, and often where you least expect it ....

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Yes, tree versioning has been tested for a while now, and is considered to be stable and functioning. Some of the legacy courses are several tree versions ahead of us.

Of course that doesn't mean that everything's guaranteed to work flawlessly, but if user progress were to be impacted in any way other than intended I believe they'd be able to do a rollback.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/stonesong

I want to be in the next alpha test if possible :D

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

thank you for trusting us :) I was honoured to contribute as well. And there are no words to describe the tree's awesomeness ^^

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

(We didn't bribe her to say that, I promise!)

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

(is it too late to ask for a token of apperciation now?)

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

(Don't spend them all in one place!)

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

(spend? I will keep them in a showcase)

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BroderUlf

I have been very impressed with how well supported the Norwegian course is. Thank you all for your hard work!

I finished the original tree a few months ago, and am really looking forward to the revised and expanded tree.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Bare hyggelig! Happy to hear you've had such a pleasant experience. :)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ProDuoExtra

Wow! Great news. New experience. I guess I'll be able to learn some extra Norwegian :)

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/otsogutxi

I cannot wait! It's finally happening!

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/kubelnaby

we love you guys. you know that, don't you? ;)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Aww, you're going to make us blush!

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/gingerninja3148

I cannot wait! My tree will probably be a mess with half the tree not completed, weak skills and new lessons scattered throughout the portion I have already done but I do not mind because it all means I get to learn more Norwegian!

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tattamin

Tree 2.0 has gone live today!

Happy posts all over my stream seem confirmation enough.

June 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JensBu

That's great. I have it too now!

June 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

yes, it is live for me too finally^^

June 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ektebjorn

Same. Changes are impressive. Honour and glory to the authors!

June 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/comeoutcomeout

Endelig!!!

June 4, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lucille_mrgr

Really excited and looking forward to it ! Learning Norwegian is so much fun, and I admire the Norwegian Duolingo team so much ♥ You guys are doing an amazing work, thank you ♥

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Oh, you are too sweet! Thank you!

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nod84

From 75, the new tree just expanded to 114 sets of skills in total (!). I counted the new skills, there are 39 NEW of them. I was at 37 done with 38 skills remaining, now I have 77 remaining, so probably at least 2 more months of new practice for me. Lots of stuff, so thanks a lot to the Norsk Duolingo creation team. Takk !!

April 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheTamedWerewolf

If I am about to finish the tree now, will I have to start over?

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

You will probably have time to finish before the testing is over, but if you don't you will have to finish the new and altered skills in the new tree before completing it. Old and unaltered skills in the new tree will stay completed.

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brittalexiswm

Yes, when they gave us the new German tree, a lot of my skills stayed golden and completed. You will not have to redo the tedious things you already know.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JensBu

Do you know what happens if we finish the tree? Do we have to complete / can we complete it again? Or is there a possibility to do the new skills only? I haven't finished yet but that could be interesting.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

You would only have to finish the new/altered skills in order to complete the tree again.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ModyDj
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Thank you for your efforts :)

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Scottdrummer

YESSS!!!!

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/badwors

I second this!!

March 27, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nod84

Thanks a lot mate. I really appreciate it. The Tree v.1.0 has 75 tasks and was already big. Hopefully, the Tree v.2.0 will be equally amazing

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MathewPerth

So its already available to new users?

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Not yet, but likely within a matter of days.

Update: It's now being A/B tested on new users.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

Yes, the new tree looks awesome ...and intimidating....!

April 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nyCnz

Great idea! : ) Thank you, I guess we'll all be able to learn double Northwegian . . . or more Northwegial (Bokmal). Thanks!!!!!! : D

March 18, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Strandfloh

Thank you!

after a brief testing period

Any idea how long this will be? I'm aware you can't say that exactly, but is it a matter of days/weeks/months?
I'm still in the first part of the tree and think about waiting (just keeping up with the things I've learned) until the new one is available to me.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Most likely a couple of months, but there is no set time frame for the testing. The tree is tested until they have statistically significant data showing that it's either better or worse than the old tree.

As far as I've gathered, these are the stages of testing:

  1. Internal verification (this is a technical test, and does not measure learning)
  2. A/B test with new users.
  3. Larger A/B test, also bringing in old users.

I would get started on the old tree instead of waiting. The beginning of the tree is not where we've made the most significant changes, so you will keep most of your progress.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Strandfloh

Thanks a lot! I will continue then, slowly.

March 19, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/stonesong

A couple months D:

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

Hopefully less, but it's out of our hands at this point.

March 20, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/frenchlearner53

"Most likely a couple of months" more than a month ago. Does that mean that I should hopefully be FINALLY getting this tree sometime in the next month? waits hopefully

May 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ektebjorn

First "a couple of months" was in December. So I guess we need patience.

May 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Tattamin

There are different phases, actually.

  • the development of tree 2.0 was finished
  • the alpha testing was done
  • the A/B test for new learners of Norwegian was done
  • that A/B for all users is currently running (since 19 April)

If I remember correctly, A/B for new users went on for about three or four weeks. And it's been two weeks since the second round of A/B testing started.

May 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/frenchlearner53

Does that mean that I only need to wait two or three weeks? :-)

May 3, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Rijahun

If only we could get Immersion

March 27, 2016

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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  • 291

There's an unofficial Immersion thread here that might interest you. :)

March 27, 2016

[deactivated user]

    Thank you.

    June 3, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    and frequently updated Norwegian Immersion thread here :P https://www.duolingo.com/comment/14800944

    May 3, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fbmalcolm

    Will there be a fluency bar added, like the other language courses?

    March 29, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZlobnaMiska
    March 29, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SportsOcean

    YAY!!! I haven't gotten very far in Norwegian, Level 1... But I'm super excited!!! It will just be a better experience!

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZatchChris

    testing period being like 2 months?

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    Probably in the ballpark of that, but there is not set ETA.

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

    Congratulations and of course just as excited as everybody to step into the new course ! Having said that, I think I will get more result from studying more regularly than I manage to do recently than by hoping that a new tree will simply do the trick.....

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    No slacking! ;)

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

    With the pace I am in now, the new tree will definitely overtake me .... have to run !

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    I would run very fast indeed!

    The new tree holds ominous skills like Emergency, Illness, Absence and Destiny - so its imminent arrival is not to be taken lightly.

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/passchi

    Destiny sounds intriguing .... wondering what 'cat' sentences have made it to that chapter....

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    Careful now, you're giving me ideas!

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MarcinM85

    Great news! I still have a few skills to finish the tree. I am looking forward to the new tree!

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/het_aapje

    A great motivator to return to Norwegian :P Can't wait :))

    March 20, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ZatchChris

    What is the max vocabulary a course can have? Do you all plan to continue updating the course with more vocabulary or does duolingo eventually limit the amount a course can hold?

    March 21, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    We've not been given any upper limit by Duo, though I'm sure there's a technical limit of sorts.

    I will however say that I think the Duolingo format is made for beginner/intermediary courses, so there's a limit to how advanced we should try to make the course as long as we're working within that format. At some point students should start reading proper texts rather than sentences without context, and they should start producing their own sentences, both written and spoken, to a larger extent than what Duolingo currently asks them to.

    So yes, we will continue to update and optimise the course, but no, they likely won't be such big updates as tree 2.0 represents. If changes are made to the Duolingo format to make it better facilitate advanced learning, then we'll happily make a course to match. :)

    March 21, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nordlys517

    Thanks in advance for all of your hard work. Can't wait to see the new version when it is ready :)

    April 5, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Borowayan

    Tusen takk crew for your effort to make the course even more awesome. Very probably this is an already considered improvement for the v2, but I'm hoping to see a 'Words' section like the one found in other courses. God dag

    April 12, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LisySartori

    Thank you all for your efforts.

    April 18, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Russell_Eire

    Det virker flott! Tusen takk!! Lots more to learn.

    April 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/paschalisb

    Hvor er det? Jeg kan ikke vente mer!

    April 27, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/comeoutcomeout

    Ikke jeg heller!

    May 14, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The_Young_Wolf

    wonderful ! well done! .............................. will there be a swedish tree 2.0 ?

    June 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    Yes, they're working on it. :)

    June 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/The_Young_Wolf

    noice!..smort!!! :) any particular time for that?... i mean the exact time of its being online?

    June 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    There's no E.T.A., but from what I can see from spying on their tree in the incubator I think it's going to be a while still.

    June 25, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amplifymysound1

    I am just saying as a crazy linguist and norsk lover with a lot of time on my hands. I would like to throw my name into the pot as a tester. Please and Thank you for your consideration.

    March 19, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    Testers for the A/B test are randomly chosen, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for you! :)

    March 20, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amplifymysound1

    Thanks. I'd just love to get the opp. How do you like Swedish? It seems interesting to me as a next undertaking.

    March 22, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Deliciae
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    • 291

    Swedish is great, as is the Swedish tree. You'll probably find yourself flying though it if you finish Norwegian first, as the two languages are so closely related.

    March 22, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BartHumphries

    Just out of curiosity, because I'm wondering how other languages compare, what are some general differences?

    March 31, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DjypForest

    Oh I just found out :) Than you VERY MUCH !! Oh yeah !!!! I'm back !

    April 26, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PolarisTheRandom

    How will I know if I have access to it? Is there a special link?

    Many thanks,

    Pol

    May 2, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    it will replace the old tree, you won't have to do anything.

    May 2, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pokker.

    Is it going to delete my old achievements?

    May 8, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    no, you will just have new skills together with old ones. If old skills have new lessons, you will just have them on 4/5 or 2/3 with extra lessons to finish.

    May 9, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/amaratea

    but i see that below you say that you are new, how can you know if you have a new tree or an old one? :P

    May 9, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pokker.

    Hehe

    I made this account just to see the new tree :DDD

    May 9, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pokker.

    I dont have new tree. And Im lke 7days old

    May 8, 2016

    https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fitt3
    • 1384

    Its pretty neat organized now. Which is awesome!

    There are not too much new lessons, but that's fine.

    June 4, 2016
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