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Hi =) Next to duolingo I use YouTube videos, anki and HiNative to learn Esperanto. The latter is from the lang-8 team, which many language learners should know (I used it 7-8 yrs ago for jpns). On HiNative questions of all sorts are posted by those who learn a language and answerd by native speakers. I like to answer (esp. grammar) questions about German, but I feel my questions about Esperanto aren't answered that frequently. With this post I hope I'll get the Esperanto commuity to have a look at it and hopefully start to help each other. :D Have a nice day! :] Kiwi

PS: I hope this is not seen as an advertisement! XD I just want someone to answer my stupid questions... hehehe ;)

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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I'll be glad to help out if I can. I'm curious (and maybe I"m missing something) why you don't ask your questions here or on a FB group like:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EsperantoLanguage/

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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Those seem to be more for general discussions, but HiNative is made solely for answering questions about grammar and such. Maybe I didn't get that across when I said 'all kind of questions' above. XD What I like to do is to post a sentence in Esperanto that I created with my limited vocabulary (haha) and another user can correct it. I hope I was able to explain this more clearly (my mind is fogged by a cold... :/)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amuzulo
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Esperanto grammar questions or correction requests (as long as they're not too frequent) are totally welcome in this forum or in our facebook group... whichever is more comfortable to you! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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And if they are too frequent, HiNative seems like as good a place as any.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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The FB group above is for grammatical questions. I also don't see why you couldn't ask them here -- or if you felt more comfortable writing them on my stream, I'd be glad to answer (provided Duolingo gives me a notification - which it seems to do well some weeks but not others.)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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Maybe I don't understand this discussion section too well. I clicked on "Discussion" and all the posts seemed so gernal. If I can just post a sentence and someone will correct it, that's nice. (But how will I know it was corrected correctly?... ;P) The FB group also seemed to be so general. Anyway, I rarely use FB, so it's not an option for me. Provided Duolingo gives you a notification about this reply (;D) can you explain to me what a stream on here is? (Ususally I teach myself that stuff easily, but I'm a zombie right now :/)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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I guess I meant "profile" and not "stream." Click on my name in this discussion and you'll see my profile. If you don't want to post your question elsewhere, you can post it on my profile. I'll answer it there.

Another good way to ask questions is when you're working on Duolingo and see a translation that you don't understand, click on the discussion button and ask the question there. Lots of people do it that wayl

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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Well, that's the point where I'll be lost. If I''d post on your profile or around here everytime I have a question, it would feel like spam. And the questions I have are not related to the exercises here. Let's say I learned a buch of new words/grammar and want to put them into a sentence that I'd actually use (e.g. La kuko estas mensogo.). Where could I post this and all my other sentences to get them corrected without it being spam? Cause as far as I see there is no specific section for this. And that's where HiNative comes in. For me it's the perfect solution, because it was made to let people share their knowlegde.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mizinamo
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Well, if HiNative promises answers by native speakers, then it's not surprising that you don't get many responses, since there aren't all that many native speakers of Esperanto. (Maybe a couple of thousand?) And of those, only a tiny percentage will probably have heard of HiNative, let alone felt like creating an account there.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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Well, that's why I'm trying to promote it here! =) Since Esperanto is not that diffucult, there are many native level speakers and many Esperantists (?) seem to gather on duolingo. And I had the feeling that Esperanto speakers are nice people, who want to help learners with their troubles. So, I thought I'd give it a shot and try connecting the communities. Or something. I don't know. XD

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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What I'm curious about is how the site (or users of the site) could qualify Esperanto speakers as 'native-like.' That is, how would you know you're really talking with an expert (and not just a know-it-all)? Myself, I've been speaking Esperanto fluently for close to two decades - on three continents - and on more or less a daily basis (not just online, but in my home as well), and while I have met many competent speakers (who could easily pass a C1 exam), there really is no native-like fluency to aspire to - and for sure there is no easy way to identify people who have come near that mark.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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But you'll have that issue everywhere. I guess we have to trust each other.

Once I saw a terrible answer by a German who knew nothing about gammer. So I just posted my own answer and also corrected the other one's.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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Yes and no. You can ask a native German speaker how to say "onesie" (it's der Body). Ask that same question for Esperanto and you'll get a mess of well thought out guesses and maybe a few people saying "well in our house we say X" -- but no one simple clear answer - because no simple clear answer exists.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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What does that leave me with?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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> What does that leave me with?

  • Well, there's a lot of territory between "komencanto" and "near native" which can be covered. I guess I'm wondering whether the "as a native" format makes sense for Esperanto - because expertise isn't distributed (located) in the same way.
2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiwisplit
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So the labeling of HiNative might discourage Esperantists of using it? Would be a good point for feedback for HiNative. Thanks! =)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/salivanto
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I signed up and I'm checking it out. I am not quite sure what to make of it. On my profile I claimed to be a native speaker. I didn't see a lot of unanswered questions.

2 years ago