Spanish Level 2/Español Nivel 2
This is a post to start a discussion to show support for either an update to the current Spanish tree or an addition of an advanced level 2 tree. The Spanish for English speakers is the largest used language tree at Duolingo. Millions of users use it daily (including myself). It would be nice and fresh to see updates to the program. At the bare minimum we need new vocabulary to enrich the learning experience. I know Duolingo can only do so much and they say its a starting program to get semi-competent in a foreign language, but I think there is more work that can be done on here. Please voice your support or let's engage in a dialog about this issue.
If you want to learn more Spanish start a third language from Spanish. I changed the "I speak" setting to Spanish and started the french tree. I already know french fairly well but doing french from spanish is still very hard. The french tree uses different words than the spanish from english tree so I am learning new vocabulary. It is a great review of the basics in both languages and gives a whole new set of memories to my Spanish.
Rather than level 2, the option of tree 2.0 is on the table now. The German tree has had many modules added to it and this is in the works for several other languages now too. It's why the German tree is so much longer than many of the others. With luck, additions to the Spanish tree will be on their way in the future. I am not sure if they are working on it. I know Norwegian and Dutch are definitely working on 2.0 for those courses.
A new version of the Spanish tree is already available to some users. I had a glance through it and didn't find it much different from the current one.
Were there extra lessons? The German one had a new lesson for nearly every module. It was much longer.
Like I said, I have only glanced through it as I was trying out a placement test. High level, I could see some skills like Colours, Conjunctions and Prepositions missing. Among new skills, I could see only Food 2. Also, looked like the Abstract objects skills have been renamed to Vocabulary 1, 2 and 3.
It was really obvious with my German tree as there were suddenly loads of lessons I hadn't done even though I was way past those check points.
I would love this. The Spanish course on here is amazing, and I do appreciate it's run by volunteers and it's wonderful that it's a free service - but more content for such a popular language would be brilliant!
I've already bought a T-shirt in support for Duolingo and would buy many more if you guys added more Spanish lessons... :)
Yeah, I'm in the UK and had one shipped - the shipping adds a bit more to the cost, but the T-shirts/hoodies are relatively cheap anyway. :)
I'd certainly support a higher level of Spanish for English speakers. I've completed Level 25, and am on Level 21 of the Reverse Tree.
So, add my voice to your request.
Also, here's another suggestion: How about if we can order a Duolingo T-shirt using our accumulated Lingots. Say, 1000 Lingots buys a T-shirt. ;-)
btw, here is the link to buy a Duolingo gear: http://gear.duolingo.com
So you use this great software for free ... and you want a free t-shirt as well?
I'm still early in my learning process, but I can foresee reaching a point where I will want more content. Even if the current Strengthen Skills simply added more verbs and more nouns, that would be a big improvement, as vocabulary building is a focus for most learners. My amateur guess is this would not be particularly time-consuming.
You get what you pay for. I like the idea of supporting Duo by purchasing items.
It would be really good to have a past tense 2 and past tense 3 skill to really hammer in those conjugations. I feel like I know the present, ir future, gerunds, past perfect, present perfect really well, but really struggle with the preterite and how to conjugate it, (and I am right at the end of the tree - subjunctive/ science) It just feels like past tense was rushed over for how much it is used. Looking ahead it seems like subjunctive, conditional etc are very short too and might need expanding!
The last part of the Spanish tree lacked so much. I struggle with anything past the present tense, because the lessons had no explanations on how to use them properly and whatnot. Let alone a lot of the verbs we learned were never used in them.
I am using this to help me learn past conjugations, maybe it can help you in the areas you are struggling with http://www.listeningpractice.org/conjugator.php?lang=spa
I'm so excited to hear that more is being added. I also wish they would add things to their store. I have lingots, but see very few reasons to use them.
I think Alex's point is a good one. I have been practicing by doing 50 points of practice daily--yes, I do miss some days! I notice, though, that my fluency percentage does not increase. I do not know why this is, and it also seems that I am getting more practice with certain conjugations and vocabulary sets than with others. Perhaps I am wrong or am not understanding how the system works, but I do think that an advanced program for those who have completed the "tree" would be beneficial. I felt more motivated when I was sure that I was progressing up the tree.
Completamente estoy de acuerdo. El árbol de español necesita más y más palabras como el árbol alemán y el árbol inglés (reverso). Subjuntivo por ejemplo, es muy mala. No hay notas también. Subjuntivo es más difícil comprender para mí. Hay más palabras en el curso de inglés para español como el árbol de español como mariposas, fijar, apagar, delfines, etc. Especialmente la comida.
There is such demand for advanced levels of the courses that it makes no sense for duolingo not to charge money for it and pay people to make the courses. That way the whole system wouldn't be dependent on the time constraints of volunteers.
In theory, it sounds beautiful - a wonderful language learning app/site that is completely free of charge, run by dedicated volunteers. In practice, the volunteers are often hounded like slaves, since there is immense pressure on them to work for no pay. (Ask the Hungarian team right now.)
When I brought this up before people said that that would be a departure from the original vision of duolingo, that poor people in third-world countries depend on it to learn English for advancement in the world, etc. That's fine, but we're not talking about poor people learning English. We're talking about native English-speakers learning other languages for fun, people who can afford to pay, say, $5 for the advanced course.
There are 53 million people learning Spanish. Let's say one-tenth of them would be willing to pay $5 to do an advanced course. That would be $27 m. In case you missed that, that's
TWENTY-SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.
They would pay as much as they do for a freaking latte. This is not too expensive.
Even if one-tenth is optimistic and it's actually only one in a hundred, it would still be $2.7 m. That's enough to pay people to do nothing but create second-level and third-level courses (i.e., which would take you up through level C in the European language ranking system) full-time. You could have them done in a year. And once they were made, the $5 for each advanced course would be pure profit, which could all be donated to UNICEF or whatever. And that's just from the Spanish course. If you charged all the French learners and German learners, etc., you'd make even more money.
In fact, instead of donating the profit to a charity, it could be redirected back at building an even more advanced English-learning system which would be kept free of charge.
In other words, you charge the people in the rich countries who are doing this for fun, to expand and elaborate the English-learning side of the site/app for people in poor countries who are doing it for work.
The fact that this hasn't been done so far is really astounding. There is such an opportunity to do a lot of good here, and it's totally being wasted.
I think the reason why it isn't being done is basically because people fear for what the site might become. People like Duolingo because it is completely free; hell, Duolingo advertises itself so well because it is free. Take that away and the site isn't completely free anymore. It could easily be viewed as having the first course being a trial more than anything else, like a promo when trying out a computer software. Though I wouldn't mind paying 5 dollars for it; especially since the way Duolingo teaches is better than any program I've tried, paying and not, I personally would worry how this would change the site. Think about it this way.
27 million. That is a lot of money. And sometimes, money comes with power. When they start charging, if the wrong person is placed in charge of a certain aspect of the website, things can sort of go wrong. It's an irrational thought, but it has possibility.
I think the obverse concern is that the site sputters and dies after everyone who's interested in this kind of thing has finished all the courses they want to do. This is what's happening with Wikipedia. It's basically "finished," so the number of edits has plummeted.
What happens when all the language learners of the world with access to a smart phone are done with all the courses that are available that they are interested in?
Site usage plummets, and in five years everybody will be saying, "Remember Duolingo? Whatever happened to that site?"
By monetizing the advanced levels (in a non-profit way, by channeling all the money back into the site to boost the aspects of it which are for people learning English) you keep people interested.
Also, I have some experience learning languages, and I can tell you that the level you reach with Duolingo's current setup is the ideal level for forgetting everything in two months if you don't keep it up somehow. If Duolingo is serious about helping people learn languages, they really, really need to think about adding many higher levels. There's no reason they couldn't take people to active 5,000-word vocabularies with a full understanding of all the grammar, even for difficult languages like Russian. But is it possible right now with a slave^H^H^H^H^H I mean volunteer-run setup? No.
What if there was a way for those of us who would like to see higher levels to DONATE money towards the cause. This way it's not an obligation. Even if 1 in 1000 donated $5 there would be 270,000 and enough to move ahead. There could be separate spaces to donate for each language, this way Duolingo could gauge what is really the most important areas to focus on. This would provide free language to all, and allow them to pay or hire a team to work with volunteers to provide more courses.
I don't know. I guess it depends on how it's done. If you make it voluntary, too many people might just not pay. I'm not sure though.
I think that's a very good idea, because Duolingo offers an excellent way to learn a new language and it could be better, not only in this language but rather in others too (like english for spanish speakers) :)
That is a great idea! You are definitely limited on vocabulary you can learn from the Spanish for English speakers tree. Have you tried the reverse tree? English for Spanish speakers? I have found that I am learning a great deal more vocab since doing the reverse tree. But you are totally right. I would love to see an amped up version so we can learn more. I've also thought since you can get an English certificate on duo saying you're proficient, maybe a certificate saying you are proficient in Spanish would be an idea as well.
I completed Level 1 Spanish tree. How do I get the Level 2 in order to continue? I just can't work that out. Any help would be great, thank you.
I absolutely loved learning spanish in duolingo.. Really hope they bring out level 2.. I'm doing it for the 2nd time at the moment.. A couple of we tips.. I've made myself flash cards from it.. And on my firestick I've put up spanish subtitles.. Both have been a great help.. Hugh Duffy.. Derry..