https://www.duolingo.com/Barbeito

Pigeon-like use of present simple.

"A mulher come, pois tem fome." Translation: The woman eats because she is hungry.

You will probably NEVER hear a native speaker say this sentence. Native speakers would say "The woman is eating because she's hungry" in almost every context. In general the constant use of the present simple tense is a weakness in Duolingo. The present simple is nearly always presented by Duolingo when native speakers would seldom, if ever use present simple in the context of the sentences given, rather they would use present continuous.

Simplifying the use of present tenses in English is a weakness in many language courses, and leads users of English as a foreign language to use the present simple in a pigeon-like fashion. In doing so, Duolingo, reinforces a bad habit with non-native English speakers.

Present simple indicates general facts, and customary or repeated actions.

"He walks to work everyday but today he is skiing."

Present continuous indicates current actions taking place "now", "at the moment". These temporal expressions test for the appropriate use of the present continuous tense. The word "now" and the present simple are incompatible. This is why "The woman eats because she is hungry." doesn't sound right. "she is hungry" implies "now".

And yet in Duolingo I have come across many sentences (for translation or accepted as translations) with the temporal/tense combination of "He eats now". Which to me as a native speaker sounds utterly non-native. It just isn't proper English and is misleading for the many language learners here who are not native speakers but are using English as an intermediary language.

Present continuous is awkward for non-native speakers, because many languages don't have such a tense. This might be a justification for replacing it in Duolingo too, if it weren't for the fact that good translations require it.

Sorry this got a bit long.

January 21, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/tylrmurphy
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We just happen to be going through and fixing this in each language.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Barbeito

That's great! It seems I needn't have posted this. The team is on top of things.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/daweshillroad

This is good news because many of the beginner exercises in Spanish punish English speakers for using the correct present continuous.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/pepenosal

Well, I have just been punished for translating (something like) "ella come pan" into "she is eating bread" (Android phone App) . (11 months after the above post)

January 16, 2014

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli
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Agreed. It creates a misconception for native speakers as well. Duolingo should encourage the idea that when you say "She is eating" in English, you say "Ella come" in Spanish rather than using the gerund (English "-ing" endings, "ella está comiendo"). In my experience, many Spanish learners overuse gerunds when they come to learn them because the distinction isn't made clear and they are trying to translate too literally from English. As far as I know, other Romance languages are similar.

When I see a phrase like "Ella come" in a Duolingo lesson I translate it as "She eats" because I don't know if the more natural "She is eating" will be accepted. It seems sometimes the more "native" translation is accepted, sometimes only the literal one.

I can see why it's an issue because from the instructor's point of view, you want students to understand which part of speech is which, but that doesn't convey natural usage.

January 21, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ruytoteles

The translation of "She is eating" to standard Spanish is "Ella está comiendo", only in very rare case I would use "Ella come" (I am Spanish). There are some other areas where this distinction is not so, as it happens to be that American English and British English have some grammar differences.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/daweshillroad

Since it is confusing to beginner Spanish students, let me ask you then. Does your present continuous exactly match the English present continuous? Other languages have their own eccentricities around verb tense. Is it possible, when talking about someone doing something that has duration, to use the present simple as Duolingo's exercises have us doing?

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/Xiuhtecuhtli
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It doesn't exactly match, no. He or she is right that the literal translation of "she is eating" is "ella está comiendo", however the popular usage does not overlap perfectly. (disclaimer: I'm a native English speaker.)

edit: you can test this by Googling phrases like "el perro come" versus "el perro está comiendo"; the former is many times more common. One result is a Youtube video called "el perro come galletas" - in English we would use a title like "dog eating cookies", not "the dog eats cookies".

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/ruytoteles

For example, if you are looking for someone, and you ask "Where is he/she"? The answer will be "Él / Ella está comiendo". If someone asks "What are you doing?" I would answer "Estoy comiendo". Naturally this kind of sentences don´t make much sense alone, because you normally give more details about what you are eating, or where, or with whom.... That is precisely the point of using the gerund, to give the sense of duration. However, you could say also "Como" to the question "what are you doing?". I would say that there are some contextual differences, but that is too hard to explain. If you are a beginner and you are interested in standard Spanish, I would recommend you just using "Estoy comiendo". It sounds much better to me. Really. The use does not match perfectly 100% of the times, because Spanish language is in this sense more flexible than English which has a fixed rule.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/RoniG

Duolingo in French accepts either "She is eating" or "She eats", French, as you may know, doesn't have "is" or "are" for present tense verbs.

January 22, 2013

https://www.duolingo.com/mitcorb

I would like to say this original posting and the subsequent discussion is a very eloquent statement that outstrips all of the individual comments that I or others have made heretofore in the lessons. And I thank you, tylrmurphy for responding with that reassuring announcement. I know it may take time, but you guys are appreciated, at least by me.

January 24, 2013
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