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- "Hasta ahora, lo odio."
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I hate it until now is not really good.English. Although until now is a valid translation for hasta ahora in some cases, it has a slightly different meaning than so far, and that difference affects tense somewhat. When you say so far, you are acknowleging that things may change in the future, but the statement is correct for the present. When you say until now, you are suggesting that the change is happening now so the present perfect tense is used. That would be Until now I have hated it. But the same is true in Spanish and the tense of the Spanish tends to dictate the translation.
I don't think I've ever heard someone say "Up until now, I hate it... even in the movies. Who are you anyway? Do you talk during the movies? I like to watch a movie and then say. "I hated it!"
this is probably one of those sentences - like many other sentences - that you can not translate word for word... I'm sure the Spanish speaking world uses "Hasta ahora, lo odio", the way the English speaking world uses "Up to now, I hated it."
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4 years later and I answered this way also. After reading others' responses, I'm still not convinced that "Even now, I hate it" is wrong. In a wordy way, I interpret "hasta" as "up to and including" which is not the sentiment I would infer if someone said "Until now" (I would interpret this as a departure from how things were before: "Until now I didn't like that guy" would imply to me that I do now like him, though in the past I did not). The phrase "hasta ahora ...", I would understand as "up to and including now ..." which is the same sentiment I gather from "even now..."
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Yup, I've heard this usage too. "See you shortly/soon/in a bit/in a minute".
Something to keep in mind, although it's obviously not applicable in this context.
This is not the forum to ask for changes in the program. But actually it is not the speed with which this sentence difficult to understand. It wasn't until I listened to the audio to see how fast it was that I figured out the purpose of this particular sentence. Most of the sentences people find strange on Duo are illustrating some point, although most of the time it is difficult to find, or at least to understand that it was the point. Here you have four simple words on two pairs. The ending vowel sound at the end of the first word of each pair is the same as the initial vowel sound of the second word of the pair. This causes the words to sound flowed together. It is something that you are going to encounter over and over in Spanish,and often at much faster speeds than this. This is the sort of exercise that you play over and over again until you hear it. You won't get that opportunity in real life, but you do have to teach your ears to hear this. Obviously in a few cases new words got formed like al and del. Mijo/mija is another one. Colloquially in many regions there is no attempt even to make mijo sound like mi hijo. But in many cases it is just the happenstance that two of the same vowels coming together in two adjacent words.
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@lynettemcw I had no problem understanding the sentence. My comment was intended to provide others with a little less blunt way to ask someone to please speak a little bit slower.
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No it will be "lo odio". Because le is an indirect object pronoun and lo is a direct object pronoun.
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This is incorrect English. We would not say "Until now I hate it." It should be "hated" or "So far I hate it".
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What about "I hate it, until now". I know its technically phrased backwards, but conveys the same meaning.
It is actually a common expression, but it is unclear how much the up adds to it, and you almost never see it in a subordinate clause that begins the sentence.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/279822/what-is-the-difference-between-until-and-up-until
I'm a native English speaker. I would not say "Up until now I hate it." If I heard someone say this, I would think the speaker doesn't have a great handle of tenses, and understand it to mean something like "Until now, I have hated it" or maybe "I still hate it." I'm not saying it's an incorrect statement in Spanish; the translation provided doesn't make sense in English though.
It's not "up until now" that I have issue with, it's adding simply "I hate it" to those words. I don't think the combination of tenses makes sense. I agree that people sometimes say things that way. I just don't think it's "good" grammar. (I realize I probably sounded arrogant in my comment, but just wanted to be clear on where I was coming from).
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Should be stated as... Until now, I hated it. Anything that is before "now" has to be in the "past". So it should be stated as "hated" and written in Spanish as so. My two cents.