Why is Ukrainian so neglected?
Hi. I'm wondering, why don't more people learn Ukrainian? Sure, Russian's great and all. But Ukrainian is so melodic, it allows so many vowels in its words. It's completely phonetic and like Latin languages, it doesn't like having many consonants together. It's also very easy to pronounce with only a few strange sounds and combinations such as "kh, szcz/shch, vzh, vcz/vch" but apart from that it's relatively easy. The alphabet is phonetic and I'm half way down the tree and I've only come across four/five irregular verbs and extremely few irregular case endings. To have is formed with to be, as is the future tense. So please people, give Ukrainian a try it is one of the most spoken Slavic languages. It's estimated to have 40-60 million speakers!
Thank you. I've tried Russian many times, but it just wasn't for me. I'm loving Ukrainian, though.
Edit: Maybe you should move this to the general forum so more people will see it. Everyone on this forum is probably already learning Ukrainian.
I like the language and the course except there is so much for them to fix while it is still in beta. I am often put off by the number of correct sentences that are not accepted
To have in Ukrainian is "мати". Я маю, ти маєш, він має, ми маємо, ви маєте, вони мають. Isn't it included in the course? The is also a form "у мене є". But both ways of saying "I have" are used often, so you need to know both.
I would say the reason a lot of people don't learn Ukrainian is because it isn't all that important to them. Ukraine is not a very internationally important country and unless you know someone Ukrainian there is little point to learn it. Generally people looking towards Eastern Europe would learn Russian because of its bigger international recognition. There is also the fact that with it seeming like Russia is invading Ukraine in Western Media, I am sure a lot of people are not keen on setting up a vacation home in Ukraine.
1) people don't want to bother learning another alphabet
2) the majority of those who do, choose to learn Russian instead
well I meant the majority who choose to learn Cyrillic learn Russian, but yes, Chinese would probably be more popular than Ukrainian
I think the Ukrainian course is great and it is also one of the few courses that uses a real human voice. The reasons that it is not more popular are probably because it is still a difficult language to learn for English speakers and that it is only spoken in Ukraine by half the population only. I have stopped doing both courses, however if Russian would switch to a human voice, I will consider picking it up again.
To be honest, I'd say more like 1/4 of the population. Maybe even 1/5. I visit Kyiv and Lviv (The largest city in Western Ukraine) frequently. In Kyiv, almost nobody speaks Ukrainian. In Lviv, Ukrainian is spoken by most people, but in the past few years a frighteningly large amount of Russian speakers are contaminating the purity of the city. It's all in the villages and some of the western Ukrainian cities - that's where Ukrainian lives. Sadly, what you learn on Duolingo is hardly how people speak irl. Most Ukrainian speakers use words either from Russian, Polish or simply Galician in their vocabulary.
Official Ukrainian: Я не зрозумів, він що, зістрибнув з тієї вежі? Він напевно підсмажився як картопля на сковорідці. Сподіваюся він живий.
How most people say it: Я не поняв, він шо, спригнув з отої башні? Він певно піджарився як бульба на пательні. Надіюсь він живий.
The first one sounds OK to me. Second.. it's a little bit weird surzhik. Anyway, "How most people say it"? - I think not!)
Гаразд, мушу признатися що я трошки перебільшив, але живучи у Львові я чую ці слова щодня. Насправді це Львівський вид Галицького діалекту, тому коли я сказав що більшість людей так говорять, мова йшла про Львівську область :)
I just joined the site, and Ukrainian was my first pick. I was actually looking for a course online, and this was it. Now that I've done it for a few days I never realized that there were robot-voices doing the other courses until I included German.
I agree - the human voice makes it much more enjoyable, and helps me with the accent.
Also,resources are harder to come by in study this language especially compared to other Slavic languages. It is worth the effort but it difficult finding courses to study online.
I am only at the beginning of both those languages but I could absolutely recommend doing both languages at the same time, just like doing swedish-norweigen simultanesly.
I think Ukrainian is one of those languages you really want to learn because you have someone in your life who is Ukrainian, or you plan to visit Ukraine. There are only about 50 million people worldwide who speak Ukrainian, compared to something like French which has over 250 million speakers worldwide.
I agree with others who have said the new alphabet is probably the biggest drawback. I myself struggled until I figured out how to install the Ukrainian keyboard on my PC, which made life easier!
I think many people who choose to take on a new language need to want to do it, and don't want to be discouraged. I'm surprised at how many words are actually pretty close to English. "Photo", "Cafe", "Fountain"... it's not as hard as I thought!
"It doesn't like having many consonants together"? Seriously? As someone trying to learn Ukrainian, I feel like the language was invented to win a contest to see how many unpronounceable consonant strings could be jammed into a single word! ;-)