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"Il allait acheter une voiture."

Translation:He was going to buy a car.

January 21, 2013

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/UweRo
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"he went to buy a car" what is wrong?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

"He went to buy a car" is the translation for "il est allé acheter une voiture". In both languages, this means that this person moved from one place to another and then bought a car.

"Il allait acheter une voiture" is the past for "il va acheter une voiture": in both cases it is a near future where "allait/va" does not imply a move from one place to another.

Il va acheter une voiture = he is going to buy a car (he will buy a car soon).

Il allait acheter une voiture = he was going to buy a car (he was about to buy a car soon).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Aleppanen

That makes sense now, thanks.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

I do still disagree with you here. When one is about to buy a car, the check book is out or the bank has pre-approved or the situation is really in progress pretty far. That is past tense also at this point. However if someone went to buy a car and then was hit by a bus, the "went to by a car" is past progressive and the "hit by a car" is passé compose in my opinion. Being about to do something is really different, I think. Example might help one of us make it clearer to the other: I was sitting in the corridor (when the explosion of voices occurred.) "Was sitting" is imperfect, correct? I was about to sit is something else again. Every action, even an incomplete process is past tense even with imperfect, correct? So the wording here has again made things maybe too difficult for the meaning?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

The past progressive would be "was going to buy a car", an action in progress and interrupted by the bus hitting him.

To be sitting in a corridor is a state of being, not an action. An action is "to sit down". So in French imperfect: "j'étais assis(e)" (state) vs "je m'asseyais" (action in progress).

I was about to sit (down) = j'allais m'asseoir.

"I was sitting in the corridor (when the explosion of voices occurred) = j'étais assis(e) dans le couloir (quand les éclats de voix se sont produites).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/QueerPangolin

the sentences "he went to buy a car" and "he was going to buy a car" each have a slight different meaning in english, yet both translations are accepted here. which one is more correct?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/frenchcatblues

They no longer accept 'he went to buy a car' :( ~26.02.15


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/crimpolina

I think "he was going to buy a car" is more correct in this case. I would translate "he went to buy a car" as "Il est aller acheter une voiture"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/VeeVii

You can't have two verbs in the infinitive following each other. So I'd translate "he went to buy a car" as "il est allé acheter une voiture" using the passé composé.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/allawithlove

Can anyone explain properly why "he went to buy a car" is wrong, please? Without guesses...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

I think you could contest it.

The basic logic is that "He went to buy a car" is a one-shot, completed action, and that is translated using the passé composé.

The imparfait is used for happenings in the past that were repeated or incomplete or ongoing in some way. http://french.about.com/od/grammar/a/imperfect.htm

Having said all that, there are ways to interpret "He went to buy a car" that would call for the imparfait - The billionaire believed in retail therapy; he went to buy a car whenever he was sad, and always felt much better."

Mostly, DL has been accepting either passé composé or imparfait as a translation for English simple past, and vice versa, but it is important to understand the limitations on simple past/imparfait.

It's a toss-up. They can accept simple past for either French past tense, which to a great extent obscures the difference between the French tenses, making it harder for learners to grasp, or they can not accept it for imparfait, which means some few legitimate interpretations will be disallowed, which will inevitably be confusing for learners as well.

Ack.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

perhaps some event interrupted his buying a car and then would that call for the imperfect? It was not a completed action and the verb makes that clear? To a person who knows French? Not yet to me but possibly later?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/n6zs
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It is not precise to just say the imperfect refers to an incomplete action, but simply that the action was "in progress" at the time. It does not address what went on before or what happened after, only that at that moment, he was going to buy a car. Here is a link which explains this concept thoroughly. https://languagecenter.cla.umn.edu/lc/FrenchSite1022/FirstVERBS.html


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/allawithlove

"He'd go buy a car". How is that correct translation?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

"What would the billionaire do when he was depressed?" "He'd go buy a car." It works.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/poodledog13

Why is it incorrect to say "He was going to go buy a car"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

You've added a verb. I believe your sentence would be "Il allait aller acheter une voiture."

Both English and French use "going to"/"aller" as both a verb describing motion toward something and an auxiliary describing an intention.

"I was going to the market" = "J'allais au marché"

"I was going to buy an apple" = "J'allais acheter une pomme"

Your sentence uses the word in both senses.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/poodledog13

Thanks so much!!!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

But DL does sometimes accept "I would go" in the imperfect to express that J'allais, right?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/WendlaGoodman

These past tense sentences are so fun if you pretend that they're part of eulogies.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Janatidenphobie

"Ils allaient" should be accepted.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

With "ils_allaient", you would hear the Z liaison.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DangerRick

I also got this wrong with - "he went to buy a car" at first. But then I thought about this in Polish and a more likely translation would be that he 'intended' to buy a car instead of physically moving to buy a a car. Which would make sense as to why "he was going to buy a car" as the only viable english translation. Signifying his intent rather than displacement. Does using "allait acheter" signify intent to buy or having moved to buy; or can it mean both in French? It would be good to get Madame Sitesurf or Monsieur Cadhillac to comment here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/owainphillips

In English the statement "he was going to buy a car", implies he wanted to buy a car but we don't know if he did. "He went to buy a car" is a bit more concrete. He has gone out and intends to buy a car.

I just wish someone french could give a meaning. Maybe french is a little more precise here.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Anne720

The correct translation is given as 'He was going to buy a car '. Is this in the sense of 'he intended to buy a car', or is it 'he was on his way to buy a car' (when something else happened)?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

Either meaning is possible without context.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lisaskier

I'm really confused by this sentence, to me it seems to be a future tense. I thought the past imperfect was for actions that had already happened??

Please could somebody explain how "was going" is a past action as opposed to something that "he" intends on doing?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

It is a future tense in a past context:

Present context: Now, he is going to buy a car = Maintenant, il va acheter une voiture.
Past context: Yesterday, he was going to buy a car = Hier, il allait acheter une voture.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lisaskier

Thanks very much for responding Sitesurf, I'm trying to understand your explanation.....but future tense in a past context? Can you see why I find this particular sentence ambiguous and am struggling with it?! ;]

The addition of "Hier" makes it clearly past, the addition of "Maintenant" makes it clearly present....but without either of those qualifiers it still sounds like the present to me.

English IS my first language, but the teaching of grammar terminology was woefully absent at my UK Grammar School in the 70's :[


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

I added "maintenant/hier" but they are not necessary as long as the verb is in the past tense: "allait/was (going to)" vs "va/is (going to)". It is not so much a matter of grammar than of realizing that "allait" is a past tense, just like "was (going to)".


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Lisaskier

Thanks Sitesurf, I think I get it now :]

I am really struggling with the compound past, have been stuck on this module for what feels like a lifetime.......


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sa_mills

Is that really how you pronounce 'acheter" (dropping the first 'e' sound)? Google translate includes the e - ash-eh-tay instead of ash-tay


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/flyver

It depends on the region you're coming from. A Parisian, for example, drops all those unstressed 'e' sounds, while they are usually pronounced in the South of France.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/apassos50

You are translating english conditional fir french past?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/evatenn

I think we got different versions of the sentence, but if you got something like "He would go to buy a car..." for "Il allait acheter..." then NO, Duo is using "would go" to mean "used to go"-- with "would" as a modal/habitual past tense of "will"-- to translate the French past imperfect. VERY confusing and unhelpful on Duo's part, imho.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

Whenever his mule was particularly stubborn, he would go to buy a car, but somehow he would end up losing his money at poker instead, and the mule would take him home. ;)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roody-Roo

@evatenn, I dont think it was duo's idea to sneak these crazy modal verbs into English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/v.behnam

Why is this imparfait and not passe compose? Isn't buying a car a sudden action?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

It's not the buying but the going. He was going to buy a car when he saw the beautiful bicycle.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Msr_Triste64

Il allait en anglais est he went... Pourquoi duo dit non ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/owainphillips

Dito....i went to buy a car....is this incorrect?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GabrielMol511714

So how do you distinguish in spoken french when you talk about the present or the past? It just seems all the same to me...


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

Some languages do not have tenses. We could suggest that to the French but I anticipate an argument. There would be an argument in England and America etc. It might be healthier as a topic than other arguments countries could get into though.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stefan873422

I speak British English and I don't think we would say 'He would go buy a car,' rather 'He would go and buy a car'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

Why not "go to by a car."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stefan873422

This is good English too. (Assuming you meant buy.) In practice people tend to use 'and' frequently instead of 'to' (at least in England). 'Do try and hurry up' rather than 'Do try to hurry up'. I recall looking this up once and finding that either is acceptable.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

Good to know. I was sure "to" was more correct.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stefan873422

Marie, I think you're right. Fowler's Modern English says: 'The idiom try and do something is described as colloquial for try to do something. It's use is probably commonest in exhortations and promises ... in exhortations it implies encouragement ... in promises it implies assurance .... It is an idiom that should not be discountenanced, but used when it comes natural.' In the above sentence there is neither exhortation nor assurance so we should be saying to and not using the idiom. Of course I'm assuming the try idiom applies by analogy to go.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rhhpk

Can this sentence have two completely different meanings?

The translation given here, "He was going to buy a car" means something like "he intended to buy a car, but then he didn't", whereas we are practicing the tense with the meaning "he used to/would buy a car" (as in "whenever he had a lot of money, he used to/would buy a car").

As in English, the French future can be expressed as "il va acheter une voiture" (he's going to buy a car), so is this also used as the past continuous, as shown here?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jojames8

His pronunciation of voiture is odd!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MariaIramendy

Why he went to buy a car is not correct? Allait is imperfect therefore, it should be accepted.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jumi212

Along with many others I put - he went to buy a car. I knew allait is the imparfait and that usually means a regular event or an event where the start and end aren’t clear cut but translating it as he used to go to buy a car didn’t make sense so I chose he went as, without any other context, this seemed the only sensible translation. I was marked wrong and told the correct answer should be “ he would go buy a car “. As a stand alone sentence this isn’t English. Would is conditional but this is past so, in English, you could say he would have gone to buy a car - but in French that would be il serait allé ....... He would go to buy a car is present conditional, so il irait ...... But il allait is past tense. So I don’t think DL should say “he would go buy a car” as a correct english translation. I also think in English “went” is far more flexible than DL thinks. It can mean a one off journey, it can mean a regular event - he went there every Saturday, or it can mean an event without a clear end - he went to buy a car but never arrived at the garage. I also think “he was going” can suggest either a one off or a regular event. If DL wants to test our knowledge if the different French past tenses it should use sentences with better context.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Roody-Roo

Although it can be used as part of the conditional, "would" is very often used to help form a past tense.

Remember, conditional requires two clauses, an "if" clause (hypothesis) and a "would" clause (apodosis). There is no "if" clause in this sentence, so it isn't the conditional, but rather a past tense.

Here's a short summary if you want to refresh your memory about English conditional mood:

https://www.ef.edu/english-resources/english-grammar/conditional/

At any rate, I think it's premature to talk about conditional forms, since they don't come up for a while, at least on my Tree.

Its just important to remember that "would" is commonly used to talk about habitual actions in the past, as is the imparfait. It can also give a sense of "future in the past" which also might get at what this sentence means.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hector290697

Hmmm...to differentiate "allait" and "aller" and "allez", "allait" sounds more less stressed. I gotta be careful unless I'm wrong.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

You can proceed by elimination with the things you already know:

  • "aller" is an infinitive you would not find after a subject pronoun.
  • "allez" is conjugated in present tense, but only with "vous" as the subject.
  • "allait" is conjugated, has the correct conjugation for a 3rd person singular subject, therefore it is the one you are looking for.

You will need to differentiate the acute sound é vs the grave sound è. Maybe enter "aller" and "allait" side by side on Google translate to hear the difference.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Fripzi

he went to buy a car is correct


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sitesurf

"Allait" is an action verb in past imperfect, to describe an action in progress, which cannot translate to a simple past (one time action) but to a continuous past "was going" (action in progress).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AngelaWalt5

I pressed the wrong thing by mistake


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Marie282520

That is habitual with me and needs the imperfect


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Msr_Triste64

Can you gudgies no speak English? HE WENT to buy a car is how its said in my native tongue. Sort it out please


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DianaM

There is no need to get exercised. "He was going to buy a car." is perfectly good English. "What was he doing when his bicycle broke?" "He was going to buy a car."

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