https://www.duolingo.com/Nomnomnom21

No fluency percentage?

For some reason Russian is the only language that I am not getting a fluency percentage. I am level 8 in Russian, I would have thought by now one would have popped up. Anyone else have this issue?

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/pmagnuson
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Hey folks in Pittsburgh - I hope you do take the comments in this strand to heart. I don't know if the misinformation of the percentages helps or hinders motivation in the end, and for what types of learners, but I do agree with the others here that it is meaningless ... It does language education a bit of a disservice. Perhaps you could ask a few colleagues in the language programs at CMU and Pitt what they think - my bet is you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks a percentage fluency makes sense in the Duolingo context or any other context. Love your product so much I want to see the rough edges smoothed a bit.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TheEeveeLord

Only courses for English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, and Portuguese have the fluency percentage. Either way I'd ignore it, it's wildly inaccurate

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/pmagnuson
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MrDalek21 is right. It means nothing.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mrobien
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I'd agree - up to a point, at least - with the critics of fluency percentage. In my mind, the reported value correlates - very very roughly - with how likely you will be able to make sense of reading material in that language - both in terms of how many words you will know, as well as how often you will be able to understand the broader meaning of the sentences/paragraphs/articles-books-etc.

Even though it is inaccurate or maybe even misleading as a measure of overall fluency, I think that some people may find some sort of measure like this to be helpful or motivational, and that the number of people who get deeply de-motivated is hopefully rather limited. I'm curious if there was a better disclaimer about what the percentage "really" tries to reflect (e.g. more like literacy than fluency) whether that would still motivate as many people while minimizing the number of people who feel like this has demotivated or even deceived (?overstatement) them

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NikolaiChe1
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No fluency percentage for Japanese, either.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas943770

i'm studying dutch, and i have the same problem. anyone has a solution?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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Perhaps it is a kind of A/B test and we have a chance to get rid of the "fluency" % completely! yay! The levels are better for the Duo format and don't confuse people (well, at least most people).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amaratea
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No, it's not a test. Most innate features (fluency, words, immersion, certain types of exercise) belong only to in-house courses (that is, created by Duolingo stuff).

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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I know, sorry, I should have remembered most jokes (especially the bitter ones) don't carry well over forums.

I just think the "fluency" % is one of the worst parts of Duolingo. Newbies are asking all the time like "and what CEFR level am I at 36%?" "when will I finally be 100% fluent?" "at what % will I be able to converse with natives?". After this wave of optimism, they write the sort of questions "my fluency meter is broken, I have 5% less than yesterday?". And than, if not earlier during the optimism phase, they are finally told the "fluency" % is a useless PR thing (you can share it social media), they are no likely to get to the 100% and even if they did, it sais nothing about their skills.

I would really wish all the newbies, especiall those with little prior experience with learning languages, to not have such a distracting and demotivating, useless element around :-)

Perhaps without "fluency" and all the related threads on the forums, the newbies would have more time to focus on the real content around here.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/amaratea
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I totally agree with you, fluency is useless at best, because it has nothing with whatever real fluency means, and it can be destructive as well if someone starts taking it seriously or practicing only to increase the percentage. But unless newbies check forums where people are eager to explain, they will never find out how fluency works here. I personally would love to see it just removed without any A/B test :D

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Rebecca360917

Although you are definitely right about it not IN ANY WAY being accurate to true fluency, I do miss the fluency meter when its not there and would like having a percentage meter to show how far through the course I am. That might be a different way of having the same kind of motivational tool without it being misleading? It's always nice to see visual representations of our progress, we are simple beings

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bratislav.garcic

I have an achievement called "Apprentice - Achieve 10% fluency in a language" and fluency is not shown anywhere. I am running duolingo on my mobile mainly (Android Nougat) and on the web page. On both it is not showing your fluency at all, it is not existing. That means I will never fill in all achievements because of fluency. Why are there these discrepancies? Very odd... Поздрав од Србина из Омана

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas219B

You can learn another language like French or Spanish just to get this achevement and stop it once you get it

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/noods6

>:(

11 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Daddy454735

I used to be able to see my fluency percentage for German, but now it has disappeared.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Romanophile

With the new 'Crown' feature, i think they needed the real estate on the page and deleted Fluency. I'm not sure it was all that successful!!

9 months ago
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