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My Constructed Language (Contributions are welcome!) / D'ege constuctudua lingue (contributi est vola)

No, I don't hate Esperanto. I like Esperanto, as I like most languages. I believe that Esperanto is a good constructed language as well.

No, ege ne detestu Esperanto. Ege amu Esperanto, similara ad coma ege amu u majorite de lingui. Ege aditionala credu quo Esperanto est a bona constructudua lingue.

http://ecbits.tk/856pm/petia-dictionare.txt - Petia Dictionare / Small Dictionary

Here is my idea for a crowd-sourced constructed language. Since everyone here's interested in languages, I'd like to say what my ideas for it would be: (of course, other people would contribute, too, on this language's site or wherever we do this.)

Simple grammar.

In this language, there will be no cases. Simply, all singular nouns will end with "e," plurals with "i", and verbs will have four endings:

(u)du = past tense

u = present tense

(u)su = future tense

(u)lu = gerund

For example:

lupe = wolf

lupi = wolves.

Pretty simple. "u" = the, "a" = a. Also, use "n'" or "ne" to negate something.

U lupi mangu veine = The wolves are eating meat.

U lupi ne mangu viene = The wolves are not eating meat.

U lupi mangudu viene = The wolves ate meat.

U lupi mangusu viene = The wolves will eat meat.

Also, pronouns:

ille = he/him

ve = you (singular)

vi = you (plural)

elle = she/her

celle = it/this/that

ege = I/me

noci = we/us

lece = they (singular)

leci = they (plural)

Finally, (I know this is disorganized):

vel = but

ale = or

de = of

ad = to (including within infinitives)

in = in

quo = that (the "that" following a verb, like, "He said that he is okay.")

Adjectives/Adverbs are applied before the noun or verb. They always end with an "a."

Pretty simple, am I right? This is just the beginning, but do you have more ideas?

Sufica simpla, est-ege corecta? Celle justa est u commence, vel havu-vi ada idi?

--- end of original post / fine de origina poste ---

Possessives:

Possessives are simple. Just add de to the beginning of the pronoun or name to make it ___'s. For example, if the cows are John's, you can write it as this: U bovi est de John. If John's cows are white, De John bovi est blanca.

Additionally, what should we call the language? I suggest "Prolingue," meaning "for language," but with spaces removed to make it a single word.

This/that (as in, this man, that man): Ceta home, Cetara home

There is = Actua existu

There isn't = Actua n'existu

LingPenguin's suggestions are part of it now.

Also,

ie = yes, no = no

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Pronouns would be easiest if they were all neutral. I already use neutral pronouns socially with one group and have to use gendered pronouns with another group. Using gendered pronouns is exhausting and I don't see a need for them. I could see a different set of pronouns between animate and inanimate objects. For example, things like plants, bugs, people, animals, and rivers would use the animate pronoun. Where rocks, furniture and the like could use inanimate pronouns.

Edit: I'm not totally stuck on the idea that we need to differentiate animate and inanimate with pronouns. I honestly don't know much about that topic.

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Gendered pronouns can clear ambiguity. The non-gendered pronoun is still correct in this language, so don't hesitate to use it if you want. Here's an example, John and Mary are arguing on whether or not John is was created for an example in Duolingo:

John paradu: "Ege n'est a example, Mary!"

Mary paradu: "Vi est a example, John! Vi estudu finacudu per a example in Duolingo!"

Ille paradu: "Ege n'estudu!"

Elle paradu: "Vi estudu!"

But I'm fine with neutral pronouns too.

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Differentiating between animate and inanimate objects could be a difficulty for the average language learner. It'd be another grammatical construct to remember, such as arbitrary gender. Thus, I would not include it. I say this because there is some dispute: most plants don't move, but are living: are they animate? Are still parasites animate? Are robots animate? Et cetera. I don't want to bring philosophical debate into language, for the same reason 99% of people hate politics. :-)

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Good point. When I was typing the bit about animate/not, I was rather stumped while thinking about where to put robots and smartware. When I suggested the animate pronouns, i was thinking about in Japanese for some reason. But, in English, those are neutral and I get along just fine. I wonder how strange it would be to go from animate pronouns to not having them.

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This is just tangentially related, but I'm wondering why you classify rivers as animate.

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I suppose that it is because rivers flow.

Ege assumu quo celle est per fleuvi flu.

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I think you should probably stick to distinguishing "people" from "non-people", which is common practice in many languages ("he" or "she" vs. "it"). A river is an "it", but a dog might be a "he" or a "she". There is real meaning communicated here; it shows the speaker's attitude.

If you're interested in language construction, please check out my recent post here!

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Alright, after thinking about this for a little bit, I would like to offer some edits. First off, let's have a conditional tense, perhaps with the verb ending "uru", though I'd certainly be open to changing that. Also, for more complex grammatical constructs, it might be possible to add endings, for example: "I would have eaten" would be "ege manguduru", though if that happens then you may need grammatical rules on which endings go in which order.

Next, some comparison words would be useful. Might I suggest "que" (meaning than, as in greater than or less than), and "si" (meaning if), since you seem to be basing this off of romance languages?

Also, on the subject of comparisons, I think that there should be something similar to the English "-er" ending. I think that you could keep it simple and use the singular/plural endings as a prefix to say more or less. For example, "Simpler" would be "Isimpla", and "Less simple" would be "Esimpla".

Next up, what is the pronouciation of the language. Mainly, would a "ll" be pronounced "l" or "y"?

As for what to name the language, I think that it would be cool to have it be something along the lines of "global language" (translated into the language of course, that would be something along the lines of "lingue munde" I think, in which case shorten it to "linde"). It could also be fun to name it "Fralin", since it is a Lingua Franca of sorts.

Finally (for now, I might post something more later!), can you get a list of the vocabulary? It's a rather useless language when you only have around 50 words that you have to dig through your posts to find. Maybe you could start up some sort of a public Google Doc or something similar as an English to [yet unnamed language] translator, and use this forum as a discussion grounds for adding new words?

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I am going to assemble a small dictionary. Your other ideas are good also, so I'm adopting the -uru. It'd be "mundea lingue," by the way. The pronunciation is using approximately the same orthography as English, for that's the one I'm most familiar with. It's also not far from Italian in pronunciation. Lingua Franca (Lat. for Frankish Language) would be Franca Lingue. (Pretty close.) Also, "LL" has no vowels, but I assume you mean "ille," which sounds like "eel."

Ege vau ad assemblu a petia dictionare. De vi otra idi est bona aditiona, ergo ege adoptau u -uru. Celle etruru "mundea lingue," aditiona. U pronunciatulu est approximata utilisu u mema orthografie quo Anglae utilisu, per celle est u une quo ege est maxa familara ava. Celle aussa n'est loa de Italiae in pronunciulu. Lingua Franca (Latinae per Franca Lingue) etruru Franca Lingue. (Suffica cota.) Aditiona, "LL" n'havu traca voli, vel ege asumu vi intendu "ille," quo pelu coma "eel."

Edit: It's closer to Italian.

Edite: Celle est icota ad Italiae.

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Celle est isimpla ava a dictionare!

(For in case I managed to completely screw up, here's an English translation): This is simpler with a dictionary!

At the end of my sentence I meant to say "Thank you", but then I realised there doesn't seem to be a word for it yet! So I'll make one up: Graz. I'm having fun with this "make up a word as needed" already! :P

How long until this language goes into the Incubator? One step at a time I guess. Finish the language first, then get it into the incubator, but this seems like it should be a fairly simple language to learn. In its current form somebody could probably be fluent and knowing every word in under a week!

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Oh, et de vi Prolingue/Fraline/Linde/Mundea Lingue est perfecta bona.

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:-) I suggest that we use grazi, meaning "thanks." Or, formally, "grazi ad vi."

(Remember, all non-proper nouns end with e in singular form and i in plural)

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Right! I forgot that rule. I guess I haven't quite reached fluency yet... :P (As a side note, I also think that I'm overusing the ":P" emoticon!)

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:-P

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Actually, I understand the ll question now. You are talking about how, say, ille, would be eel-ay or e-y-ay. It's more of an eel-ay sound.

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OK, a new proposal: -utu for "should."

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Are there rules of stress? I think it would make sense to say you always stress the second-to-last syllable on multisyllabic words unless there's an accent, which overrides. What do you think?

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I don't think there are stress rules, but your idea is good.

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It is very interesting to me that while going for simplicity and giving up on many meaningful tenses, why still insist on gender or animate/inanimate distinction? Why not just a simple third person singular like the third person plural (and here, "person" refers to the "subject" of the sentence, could be inanimate, or a female or a male or a transgender person). I never understand, in this day and age, the need to attach gender on languages in such a fundamental way. I come from a gender neutral language, that is mostly why :)

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While this could be fun, I have a question. What is "they (singular)"? :P

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Like he or she, but of indeterminate gender.

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I use they/them/their as singular or plural (context reliant). Hense, they feature on my profile. However, some folks use the Spivak set, which is ey, em, eir. :)

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Answering some questions about the singular they: / Respu ad desa questioni quo regardu u lece:

Correct statements include / Correcta stati inclu:

U donne estudu ice. Elle paradu quo elle n'estudu ice. = The woman was here. She said that she wasn't here.

U donne estudu ice. Lece paradu quo lece n'estudu ice. = The woman was here. They said that they weren't here.

You can mix, but I wouldn't for consistency's sake. / Ve posu confunu, vel ege n'veru per u cause de consistencae.

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Current Project: Expand vocabulary to translate books to this language.

Curenta Projecte: Expandu vocabulare ad traducu libri ad ceta lingue.

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you might want to post it here http://www.incatena.org/ or here http://aveneca.com/cbb/index.php to get better feedback

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I'm starting to build a constructed language. It's called Para'd-nipot (pronounced pah-rah-ahd-nee-poht). It will have a little bit of a complex grammar in verbs and sentence structure. But when I'm done, it will look cool.

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Bona ide, celle est possibla quo ege vau de de ve lingue debeu lexici.

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Not sure if this has been asked yet but is the r pronounced as french sounding, english sounding, or a rolling?

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Similar to French.

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so are you using silent letters too? such as french pronunciation of the word est?

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No, no silent letters. Just the French r.

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For clarity's sake, the France French r (similar to what pretty much every language uses) or the French Canadian Glottol roll r?

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The French French r.

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This is fascinating. Cete est fassinatulu! (Would "cete" be how I say "this" when it's not modifying a noun?)

Also, are soft and hard c's and g's the same as in Italian? Or do they follow a different set of rules?

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No, it'd be Celle est fassinata. (Being an adjective and not a gerund)

And yeah, they're the same as in Italian.

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Right, of course.

Ceta lingue estusu bona!

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Ipsa bona! (Very good!)

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Would you add a suffix for indicating whether someone wants advice, suggestions, that type of feedback for what they just said? Japanese has something similar to indicate whether feedback is wanted or not. and I really appreciate it. Sometimes people ask me about my health, for example and I answer their question. Then they want to give me a million suggestions even though they are not doctors. This tendency to give unsolicited in other situations seems rampant as well. Is very exhausting in general. I'll try to locate an example for Japanese. But, it might have been a point my Japanese teacher (native to Japan) taught on the side that was not included in our books.

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Just add a "advice?" to the end of the sentence, what do you think of that?

Justa additiu a "advice?" ad u dere de a sentence, coma cognitu-ve de celle?

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Arent you inventing a wheel again? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages Interlingua sounds quite similar...

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I know, but every language is inventing the wheel again. Why not do it?

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OK, just, what is a point to do it? New approach? Fitted for some particular language group, etc. ? Your project of linguistic studies?

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This is my hobby.

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I really like the simplified grammar :)

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You should put it on github and take bug reports/feature requests. People can watch it evolve and address issues they have using it.

Basically like a piece of software or programming language!

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I don't think it's exactly right for GitHub.

Ege ne cognitu quo celle est exacta perfecta per GitHub.

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Its actually perfect fit for github. Github isn't MADE for software, its just a host for git repos, which are usually software related. There is a service similar to github made for writers, and it runs on the exact same thing.

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Maybe..

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What's the name of the one for writers?

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I don't know of such a service. However, Tycho Garen, who reportedly writes some stuff, talks about his git-based workflow here: http://tychoish.com/rhizome/git-tips-for-writers/

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Thank you! :)

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Its called Penflip, both it and Github run on the Git revision control system/software. https://www.penflip.com/

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Can one learn esperanto from the internet without paying? I dont see a full length language learning course for esperanto.

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Yeah. Wikibooks Esperanto is and I believe lernu is too.

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Your creativity is admirable, but I still have at least two critical questions:

What if people don't make a distinction between "e" and "i" in their language? (phonetic transcriptions would be welcome)

Weren't you also busy working on a Duolingo app? Maybe it's better to focus your energy on one thing at a time.

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All languages I know anything about have distinct "e" and "i" sounds; I don't really see it being a problem. Just pronounce them the way they're pronounced in Italian or Spanish and you're good.

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Have a look at some of the comments here: http://www.duolingo.com/comment/239633

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856duo uses a site scraper, so it's on hold until the new design is out and finalized.

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You gave me a link to your discussion about this con-lang and only now have I really had the time to really admire the progress- it is very impressive

Less than a year ago I began work on my constructed language which to myself I have been calling "Basis Romantic" which (as the name suggests) is a language formed by use of the other Romance languages.

I have noted that the many similarities between the romances languages (of which I referring namely to Italian, Romanian, Portuguese, Spanish are French although there are more) due to their deep Latin roots.

My mission is to try and make a "compilation" language based around the similarities between these languages so that the language should be mutually intelligible (Or at least when written down) to anybody who speaks one of these languages.

Seeing your constructed language here on duolingo gives me great hope as coincidently there are some(if not many) similarities between our two conlanguages. I would personally love to contribute all of the data I have collected in forming my conlang to the growth of yours.

I have lots and lots of words already in my language however I have not formed many sentences, still I think that the data will be much appreciated

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Just as an extra note, wouldn't it be great if here at duolingo we worked on a project to construct a series of languages with various bases.

Exempli gratia:

Latin based Super Language, Germanic based Super language, Slavic based, Baltic based, Celtic et cetera

All Please write below with your collective opinions

Together we may be able to create a series of successful conlanguages!

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This has been done. See Interlingua, Pan-Germanic, Pan-Slavic etc languages.

But may as well do it again.

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Indeed yes! I have taken a good look at it since was mentioned to me here "http://www.duolingo.com/comment/877174" (scroll about half way down the page) You should watch the video if you have not already- it is most interesting :)

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You have to be more specific about how the negation works.

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Just add a ne before the verb. That's all. It's simple.

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Can you negate nouns? Modifiers?

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How to negate nouns and modifiers: just add n'est- before the noun or quo n'est before a modifer.

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So for instance, "I have no cats" would be phrased as "I haven't cat's", or perhaps "I have zero cats"?

4 years ago

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Yes. "Ege ne havu cati" or "ege havu zilcha cati"

4 years ago

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MystyrNile
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Do you have your whole phonology planned out? Including phonotactics?

4 years ago

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Not entirely. The phonology is almost the same as Standard Italian, though.

4 years ago

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Here's an example of syntactic ambiguity in English. How would your language resolve this? (or do you even want to resolve it)

She did not fail because you were there.

{She did not fail} because {you were there} Your presence prevented her failure.

She did not {fail because you were there} Your presence did not cause her failure.

4 years ago

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She failed, but not because you were there

4 years ago

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New words added in message are derived from French and Italian, added because I needed words that didn't yet exist. Feel free to use or ignore, and let me know if any of them already exist and were just missed by me. Tra = very, much, many, really (as in "I really want this"). Interesant = could turn into the noun (interest), the adjective (interesting), the adverb (interestingly), and the verb (e.g Ege interesantu, I interest). Bella = beautiful, pretty. Ajder = root for help(n), helpful(adj), helpfully(adv) and to help(vb). Et = and. Apprend = learn. Uniqu = root for uniqueness(n), unique(adj), and uniquely(adv)

Ege cognitu quo ceta lingue est tra interasanta! Celle est bona per celle n'est irreulara, et celle est simpla. Per de ceta, prolingue est tra bella. Ege tra volu ad apprendu et ad ajderu ad finacu ceta tra bona lingue. Tra grazi ad vi, per vi finacudu a lingue quo est bella et uniqua!

Translation, because I probably messed it up:

I think that this language is very interesting! It is good because it isn't irregular, and it is simple. Because of this, Prolingue is very beautiful. I very much want to learn and to help to create this very good language (even if only in a small way). Many thanks to you, for you created a language that is beautiful and unique!

4 years ago

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Thanks! Just wanted to say that I've used Trea for your Tra before.

Also, it should be "per celle," not "per de ceta," and "vi" is the plural "you," while "ve" is singular. Thanks.

4 years ago

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Are any of the other new words to be used? Just wanted to know before attempting to write in Prolingue again.

4 years ago

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Sure. I hereby adopt the others.

4 years ago

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But I would change Ajder to Aider.

4 years ago

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Can the i/e more/less prefixes be used on verbs? An example would be "Ille volu ad ifinacu" "he wants to create more," as in doing the action of creating.

4 years ago

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I suppose that it's technically correct....

4 years ago