Weekly Incubator Update: Tracking Progress from April 3rd to April 10th
Waiting for Vietnamese
And the wait continues...
So, is the launch going to take place this week? Stay tuned!
Music in different langauges across time
If you have not already explored, enjoy the World Radiooooo. I find it fascinating!
An early edition of WIU this week
I have to run a few errands and will have to away most of today. So here we are - ahead of the schedule! Please let me know if you notice any post haste on my part :)
PHASE 1 Progress: Total 24 courses
Vietnamese for English - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 8-Apr-2016
Guarani for Spanish - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Spanish for Chinese - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0)
Greek for English - 100% | 100% | 100% | 100% (+0) 5-May-2016
Hebrew for English - 98% | 99% | 99% | 99% (+0) 10-Jun-2016
English for Thai - 98% | 98% | 98% | 98% (+0)
Esperanto for Spanish - 76% | 80% | 85% | 89% (+4) * 24-Jun-2016
Romanian for English - 85% | 85% | 85% | 87% (+2)
German for Italian - 82% | 82% | 83% | 84% (+1)
Hungarian for English - 80% | 80% | 80% | 80% (+0) ^
Spanish for Italian - 66% | 66% | 67% | 67% (+0)
Swedish for Russian - 62% | 63% | 63% | 64% (+1)
Portuguese for French - 59% | 60% | 60% | 60% (+0)
Swahili for English - 49% | 49% | 49% | 49% (+0) 1-Jul-2016 ^
Italian for Portuguese - 45% | 45% | 45% | 45% (+0)
Russian for Turkish - 43% | 43% | 43% | 44% (+1) 31-Dec-2016
Czech for English - 39% | 40% | 41% | 42% (+1) 17-Apr-2017 ^
French for Turkish - 39% | 39% | 40% | 40% (+0)
Hindi for English - 26% | 26% | 26% | 26% (+0) 15-Aug-2016 ^
Klingon for English - 21% | 21% | 22% | 22% (+0) 1-Aug-2016
Korean for English - 8% | 9% | 10% | 10% (+0)
French for Chinese - 9% | 9% | 9% | 9% (+0)
Yiddish for English - 8% | 8% | 8% | 8% (+0)
Indonesian for English - 5% | 6% | 6% | 7% (+1)
Course - 3 weeks ago | 2 weeks ago | a week ago | Now (Progress delta); Estimated Launch Date (provided by contributors) (Date delta)
Estimated Launch Date only when provided by the course contributors
* This week's Leader Extraordinaire!
^ The Hungarian, Hindi, Czech, & Swahili teams' progress is as per their own calculation
Mean - 0.63% | 0.41% | 0.46% | 0.46% (+0)
Median - 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% (+0)
Here's what the contributing teams have said during the last week:
(For Phase-1 and Phase-2 courses by default, and for Phase-3 courses per request).
Мы посадили новое деревце!
Дорогие друзья! В наших широтах наступает весна, время заниматься саженцами! Мы решили не оставаться в стороне и вот уже несколько недель как старательно работаем над новым деревом курса. Эту возможность нам предоставили всего лишь пару месяцев назад, так что разработка продвигается медленно, на данный момент готова примерно дюжина навыков. НО: вы всегда можете помочь! Если вы уверенно ориентируетесь в дебрях немецкой грамматики и обожаете многосложные слова-композиты, короче говоря - если вы хорошо знаете немецкий язык и желаете принять участие в разработке курса, не стесняйтесь подавать заявки в инкубатор! Работы хватит на всех! Если же ваших знаний немецкого недостаточно для того, чтобы модерировать курс, вы можете стать нашим тестером и уже сейчас посмотреть, как выглядит наш саженец и помочь ему избавиться от детских болезней :) Мы будем рады всяческой помощи. Спасибо, что вы с нами! Ваша команда Дуо.
Ĝisdatigo 10 | Actualización 10
Como el curso para hablantes de inglés salió de beta, ya están concentrándose en su árbol 2.0 y por consecuencia también en el nuestro, que va a ser muy similar a su segunda versión. Así, se modificaron algunas lecciones, es un progreso que no se ve en las estadísticas, pero sin embargo las estadísticas son buenas, ~87%.
~1650 palabras de 1950/2000 que van a ser al finalizar, y 200 imágenes
50.000 y lanzamiento en la app
Desde hace unos días el curso de catalán para hispanohablantes es accesible desde la app para celulares. Con esto esperamos que mucha más gente se añada al curso. Somos muchos los que pensamos que la forma más práctica y amena de aprender un idioma con Duolingo es en los ratos libres, aprovechando que siempre tenemos el celular al alcance.
Seguimos mejorando el curso gracias a sus reportes y discusiones. Estamos trabajando para mejorar el sistema de audio y ampliar las traducciones a todo el ámbito hispanohablante, les agradecemos su paciencia. Moltíssimes gràcies!
Aprovechamos la ocasión para contarles una de las fiestas más bonitas que tenemos en nuestro país. El día de San Jorge, o diada de Sant Jordi, es una fiesta que se celebra cada 23 de abril en la mayoría de los países catalanes (sobretodo en Catalunya pero también en el País Valencià y las Illes Balears) para promocionar la cultura y el amor. Ya desde el siglo XV es costumbre regalar una rosa roja a la persona querida, en referencia a la bonita leyenda de san Jorge, que para salvar una princesa mató a un dragón y de la sangre vertida nació un rosal. Más tarde en el siglo XX se añade la tradición de regalar un libro a la persona querida, coincidiendo con la muerte de celebres escritores como Miguel de Cervantes, William Shakespeare o Josep Pla. Para más detalles consultad la Wikipedia. A ver si os animáis con la versión en catalán en la Viquipèdia, donde podéis seguir practicando el idioma.
Нас 1 миллион!
Друзья! Вчера наш курс набрал 1 миллион пользователей! Только представьте себе: эта цифра сопоставима с населением крупных городов России. Для нас это невероятный прогресс и великая радость: два года назад нас было всего 20 тысяч. Мы очень рады, что люди проявляют интерес к немецкому языку, и мы надеемся, что нашим пользователям Дуолинго помогает его освоить.
Мы хотим поблагодарить вас, наших учеников, за то, что вы с нами. В свою очередь, мы активно продолжаем трудиться над нашим новым деревцем. Работы ещё очень много, но уже совсем скоро вы сможете одним глазком взглянуть на форуме на то, как растёт это чудо ;) Надеемся, что вы будете терпеливы к недостаткам текущего курса и останетесь с нами.
Желаем вам успехов в обучении и радости общения. На любом языке :)
Ваша команда русско-немецкого курса
Quick mid-week update
swift progress this week. Two past tense skills have been added to the course, so there are now only two skills which lack a few sentences. As suggested, in the coming days we'll start doing everything we can to lock the tree and make sure we can go into beta swiftly (and continue to work on everything in the background...).
Things are moving forward! Have a good week everyone and thanks again!
843 words, 42%. We are done with Months, Body Parts, and Numbers 3 for now, and are now working on the second locative skill (Topics).
Several courses at 98% plus range. Vietnamese still yet to arrive!
Previous Update 27-Mar to 3-Apr
what's more likely, it coming before or after 1 month from now? I'm doing turkish atm and waiting for hebrew, i got to 60% of the course and i want to complete it before hebrew
I really can't say. Unfortunately they don't tell us contributors much!
There's some tough concepts near the end of the Turkish tree, so unless you are really studious, I don't think you will have mastered the Turkish tree by the time the course comes out, which is probably more than a month away, but who knows, maybe less!
heh thanks for the warning, and yeah turkish is quite something. I chose it specifically because it's not indo-european and I wanted something new, and that's exactly what I got. I've been pushing 200-400 xp a day lately, I'll see if I'll be able to keep up the pace.
BTW how close is hebrew to other afro-asiatic languages?
Turkish is fun once the conpletely different style of grammar starts to "click". I've pretty much got most of the tree under my belt. Just need to practice a bit more with a few of those final skills.
In terms of modern languages, I can only compare Hebrew with Arabic, and I don't know a great amount of Arabic. You will certainly notice similarities on all levels. (You'll also notice similarities with Turkish vocabulary since a lot of it comes from Arabic, eg. mühendis - מהנדס (mehandes), engineer) However, Arabic and Hebrew split off from their common ancestor a long long time ago so they're certainly nowhere near mutually comprehensible.
Biblical Aramaic is very similar to contemporaneous Hebrew, but modern Hebrew is quite different to both.
Modern Hebrew has also been slightly affected by European languages in terms of grammar and pronunciation, since many of those who revived the language in everyday usage spoke European languages as their first language.
Wait, I though Turkish was Indo-european? Alongside Persian and Hindi. Or maybe it was something further back?
Turkish is from the Turkic family tree, which is unrelated to IE. It's not structurally related to Persian although it has borrowed a few things from it due to geographical proximity.
What airelibre said, but also to add to that - the relationship of Turkish to other languages is interesting. There is a large Turkic family stretching east from Turkish, Azeri, Uzbek, right across to Uyghur in western China, and north to Sakha (aka Yakut) which is spoken in north eastern Siberia.
But there is also this old theory that they form part of the "Altaic language family" along with Mongolian, Japanese and Korean. However, whilst it was popular for a while, it's a theory which has been long since discredited.
Either way, it's very much not an Indo-European language, despite borrowings from Persian etc.
The Czech and Hungarian courses seem to be worked on very thoroughly. I'm sure they will be excellent courses!
We are going to have a lot of languages coming soon (Vietnamese, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian and Romanian) I'm quite excited to see what languages Duo is going to add soon ?
We're going to have a lot of unique languages to learn this summer, according to the numbers!
As an inhabitant of the South Hemisphere and considering the number of courses on the 90% range... I feel sad for not being in the summer for the next 8,5 months. But at least I can represent the state of Duo's incubator with this picture 8D
Haha, I didn't think about that. Hemispheres and time zones can get a little switched up. :)
Nice connection with the fact and picture.
Klingon is still taking a well-earned rest after its recent dramatic spurt of progress, I see ......
Actually they've climbed another percent since after this WIU was made.
I've just had a peek in the incubator, Klingon has crept up 0.6% from 22.9% to 23.5%, they'll be busy as yatqapmey after all.
Just out of curiosity, can everybody see the progress to within 0.1% in the incubator, or is this one of my userscripts working it's magic?
Where do you see it?
On https://www.duolingo.com/course/tlh/en/Learn-Klingon-Online I only see an integer percentage (currently 23%).
On https://incubator.duolingo.com/courses/tlh/en/status I see a course status diagram with a partially filled bar but no number.
Perhaps it's a userscript.
Below the course status bar on the Klingon status page I see,
Estimated Completion Date: August 1, 2016
Edited 2 months ago by loghaD
When I go to the incubator main page (https://incubator.duolingo.com/) and scroll down to the courses still in the incubator I see 4 white rectangles each saying "X for Y speakers" "X no. of contributors" and "XX.X% complete".
Historically I've only seen whole numbers in the afore mentioned places and I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what you find (the whole numbers), that's the change that I think might be the result of a userscript.
In both of those places, I see no completion numbers at all!
Estimated Completion Date: August 1, 2016
Edited 2 months ago by loghaD
and then nothing until the horizontal line that starts the next section.
And on https://incubator.duolingo.com/ I see, for courses still in the incubator, flags and underneath each one, "Phase 1 - n contributors".
Above "Phase 1", there's a blue-on-white circle which is partially filled, like a pie chart (e.g. one with 25% progress would have about the top right-hand quadrant filled in with blue).
But I can only guess from the pie chart what the number might be.
It's definitely the userscript 'Duolingo Incubator Stats', not something browser dependent. I just checked both links in Chrome and Firefox, and mizinamo is correct. With the userscript turned off, there are no percentages of any kind (not even whole numbers) shown. It may have been that at one point, whole number percents were shown, but were that true, it is the case no longer. You can easily confirm this yourself by disabling the userscript in Greasemonkey and then reloading the page.
Lupo, I did what you suggested, and it's true, the numbers disappear when the userscript on question is disabled.
My original question has now been answered satisfactorally.
I find your claim hard to believe, but I suppose it might be your web browser.
I use Firefox and as far as I can remember, I've always seen the course compete numbers in the indicated places, even before I had the userscript addons, though before I installed the userscripts I only saw whole numbers (in the indicated places).
Btw, I'm using a greasemonkey script called Duo Lingo Incubator Stats, don't remember where I got it from.
I'll translate the DE-RU team's updates:
a week ago:
We planted a new tree!
Dear friends! Spring is coming to our latitudes, it's time to start planting! We decided to not laze around and for several weeks we've been diligently working on a new course tree. We were offered that opportunity only few months ago, so the work goes on slowly, at this moment only dozen skills are ready. BUT: you can always help! If you can confidently navigate the wilderness of German grammar and are in love with compound multi-part words, in short: if you speak German well and are willing to participate in the development of the course, do not hesitate to apply to the incubator! There's enough work for everyone! If your German knowledge is not adequate for moderating the course, you can become our tester and already see how our seedling looks right now and help it dispose of childhood illnesses :) We'll be happy for any kind of help. Thanks for being with us! Your Duo team.
4 days ago:
There are one million of us!
Friends! Yesterday our course achieved one million users! Just imagine: this number is comparable with populations of major cities of Russia. For us, it is an incredible progress and a great joy: two years ago, there were only 20 thousand of us. We're happy that people show interest for the German language, and we hope that Duolingo helps our users to get acquainted with it.
We want to thank you, our students, for being with us. As for us, we actively continue working on our new tree. There's still a lot of work to do, but pretty soon, on our forum boards, you will be able to take a peek how this marvel is growing ;) We hope that you will be patient when it comes to the shortcomings of the current course, and you will stay with us.
We wish you success in learning and the joy of communication. In any language :)
Your Russian-German course team
As with my latest translation of Russian-language updates, a disclaimer: I don't speak either English or Russian natively.
And a personal addendum: I'm happy to see these updates. I started the DE-RU course, but I stopped doing it when I noticed that it's the same as the old DE-EN course, with the same design mistakes. That, and I also put learning German and Russian on a back burner. I might get back to it after it gets updated.
I like the fact that it looks like they are making their own tree and not only translating the new German-English tree. That gives me hope for a suitable future tree for the German for Czech speakers course. Because the new English tree is good, but still not that great for native Slavic speakers.
True. German contains many features, like cases, which are confusing for English speakers, but not for speakers of most Slavic languages, and also features, like sequence of tenses, which are completely natural for English speakers but baffling for speakers of Slavic languages. Of course it also has features, like strong, mixed and weak adjective endings, which will confuse both equally. It definitely has to be taught differently to different groups.
There was also an update from the German for English team about their tree 2.1 this week... (I know you only post these by request/with notification)
I think one of them is busy wrapping up studies in thier real life work. That is at least part of the reason.
I'm happy to see that the Spanish-Esperanto is continuing its steady progress, but it's unfortunate that a lot of the other courses have ground to a halt.
Go Swahili! I don't know what's happening, but you'll get through it. Swhaili's the only reason I check this thing weekly, but until now I'm talking about it since there has a lot of weeks without progress. You can do it, I'll be patiently waiting.
"Music in different langauges across time If you have not already explored, enjoy the World Radiooooo. I find it fascinating!"
Have I spotted a wild Redditor?
Very impressive!! (For those who wonder: We're talking about the progress of the Esperanto for Spanish course) I'm looking very much forward to practicing two of my favourite languages :-)
Esperanto from Spanish is going to be great. I am going to do that one first before Esperanto from English ;).
The Radiooooo site is very cool! I think I will show my parents and see if they recognize any old Vietnamese songs.
Looking forward to every new language and feature released. Are there any plans to have immersion/translation for languages other than the core/original (i.e. besides Spanish, Italian, French, etc)?