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S.Liebermann
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Hey there duolingo,

Can you add an optional flag (or ISO two letters) to denote the native language in the user profile? And maybe, if the user opted to add such flag, to the profile pic?

Just so we know what is the background of a question. Some questions should be answered differently to natives of different languages.

For example, in English there is no masculine vs. feminine article, while in Russian there's no article altogether and in Hebrew there's only definite article.

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/kristinemc

Appreciate this suggestion and the one about having a designated 'suggestion' discussion. Lots of improvements being made, and I'll make sure to bring this back to the team (as a reminder) :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
MystyrNile
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And until then, i can just put a US flag background behind my current avatar!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

This has been asked multiple times, which is just more reason we need a separate suggestions section. ... which has been asked multiple times.

Cella havu questionudu multipla tempi, quo justa est aussa reasone quo noci necesu a seperata suggestionia sectione ... quo havu quenstionudu multipla tempi.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sigmacharding
sigmacharding
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Sorry for asking but what language is the above exactly?

I can understand large portions of it and presumed it was Italian, not sure if I am correct though :)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mbRDt7
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Appears Esperanto, as it doesn't seem to be any specific Romance language, and also basing this on their learned languages.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duttagupta35504

I think it is Italian, though that assumption is largely from plugging it into Translate!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Alipaulam
Alipaulam
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Definitely not Italian. What does Esperanto look like?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ViArSkoldpaddor

Similar to a point. It is also an invented language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/duttagupta35504

OK-- I'm not very good at conlangs.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jkl
jkl
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Aren't all languages invented, theoretically and philosophically?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ViArSkoldpaddor

@jkl: It depends whether you define "invention" to include "convention" or not. I think sitting down and writing a rule book and a dictionary is quite different from producing vocabulary and rules as you need them with your peers and modifying them collectively to suit the group. (But then again, the authors of the article here use the word "invent" for exactly that: http://discovermagazine.com/2011/sep/16-robots-invent-their-own-language )

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BillofKempsey
BillofKempsey
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If we do get to show a flag, can we please have the UK flag as an option? It's not (only!) that I resent being shown as American when I am English. The differences between American English and British English are sometimes quite significant. (Who was it said "two nations divided by a common language"?)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ViArSkoldpaddor

George Bernard Shaw (at least that would be my first guess.)

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BillofKempsey
BillofKempsey
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And/or Oscar Wilde. Apparently the experts can't agree. Of course, the two spent a lot of time accusing each other of plagiarism.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CecilieO.

I like this suggestion, especially because it shows that a user is learning a third language trough a second one, and grammar points may need a more detailed excplanation.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Inglor

I think it would be fine if people could indicate their native language, and I even think it would be fine to create a concept of "native clubs". For example, Hungarian club, Czech club ... where both the native speakers and the learners could congregate freely.

The speakers of smaller languages currently need to be quite good in English in order to learn other languages, and this may hinder them a bit. If they could ask a question in their "native club" in their native language, and get an answer in their native language as well, it would help them.

It would be also a great way how to start local communities. For example, I have absoutely no idea who else here comes from the Czech Republic. If I knew, I could perhaps organize a convention of Duolingo fans in Prague.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/S.Liebermann
S.Liebermann
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As a native speaker of a tiny (not even small) language, I totally understand the need to discuss things in your own language with people who understand you.

However, I feel that in DL the spirit is very different. Normally English speakers expects others to be fluent in English and speak very little of other languages. But in DL, native English speakers are the kind that wants to learn other languages and are very tolerant about people who try to express themselves in somewhat broken English.

Nothing can stop Czech speakers to form their own chat rooms, but over all, interacting in English with the general DL users can only do good to their skills. No one becomes proficient in second language by learning it alone. Practice and interaction are essential.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Inglor

Well, as of today, the DL spirit is really just as you describe, but if the community grows at the contemporary speed, I think it will inevitably fragment more. With every X-to-Y combination emerging from the Incubator, more and more people will be drawn to the community, and some of the X, Y pairs will not contain English anymore. Imagine Chinese for Russians, French for Germans, Spanish for Italians etc.

To try to hinder that fragmentation is sort-of futile (in my opinion), to ignore the process entirely is just a little better and too passive (not exactly the spirit of DL, IMHO). So it makes sense to think about how to manage the process smoothly. If it is managed well enough, it can actually help DL interests.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/dnovinc
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I would rather prefer language expert badge, instead of a native speaker one, which a user can get if he/she gets a high score on tests Duolingo provides. (only target language test + source and target language test) Or in some other verifiable way.

There are multiple reasons why would I prefer that but these are the main ones:

  • no simple way of verifying someones "nativeness" :) (please upload your birth certificate here, your elementary school diploma here ----- thank you :P )

  • being a native speaker doesn't tells us how well a person knows its language's grammar which is really important.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/S.Liebermann
S.Liebermann
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No one needs to verify anything. Many people here are native in languages not supported in DL. My native language is not English but I take "Spanish for English speakers" just because there's not "Spanish for Hebrew speakers".

Marking yourself native language is not for portraying yourself as an expert in that language, it is to help people understand what are your lingual concepts when they try to answer your questions.

Besides, if you are a native speaker of a certain language, how exactly is it going to reflect in your grades or level on that language? English speakers are not going to take "English for Spanish speakers" and achieve high levels of english, are they?

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/856pm

Yes. I know native speakers of English whose grammar is terrible.

Ie. Ege connu nativa paruleuri d'Anglæ quo grammare est terribla.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Luscinda
Luscinda
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On the basis of the quality of some of the 'English' that occasionally appears in lessons, I don't really consider Duolingo's programmes equipped to sit in judgement on my English!

I don't see any objection to an opt-in for showing users' language/nationality. It might even make us all a little more mindful of the different starting points, and thus more polite in correcting others' use of our own language.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MystyrNile
MystyrNile
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But knowing someone's native language helps you know what mistakes they will probably make, and qualifies them to say stuff like "that sounds unnatural" or "these words are subtly different semantically".

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BellaLibellula

I don't understand the resistance either, haha. I guess some people like to argue. I think it's a great idea.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kdak1

I definitely think this would be useful, especially for people whose native language is not one of the core languages offered.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HerrGardner

I concur! This would be helpful in discussions

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GregHullender
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I think it would be good to let people identify their "L1" and "L2" languages. An L1 language is one you learned as a child and can speak effortlessly. An L2 language is one you learned as an adult. Few people have more than one L1 language, but, of course, some do. People could self-rate their L2 languages using something like the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/nateVONgreat
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"and in Hebrew there's only definite article." awwww... you mentioned hebrew! I would need 2 flags btw!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/katrinamalone

ha! thats just what i was thinking

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mahatra

hey there duolingo,

it would be a great idea to add maybe either country letter or flag to pin the native language in the user profile. because like me from Indonesia, so people can see us :D

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/mahatra

yeah we need indonesia flag in user profile, please add it! yeah kami butuh bendera indonesia sebagai tanda penggunanya, tolong tambahkan!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ckyle8
ckyle8
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An excellent suggestion. In fact, I think the idea will become more important as languages are added.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BatturTseke

huuy eniig yaaj ashigladiin be

4 years ago