"The workers work for the director."

Translation:Robotnicy pracują dla dyrektorki.

April 17, 2016

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How can dla take two different cases here?


what do you mean?

I assume you had mulitiple choice question? and that "for the director" was translated to "dla dyrektora" and "dla dyrektorki"

If that is what happened- both are singular genitive, but

dyrektor ( gen = acc - dyrektora) is male and
dyrektorka ( sing genitive= plural nominative= plural accusative - dyrektorki) female


In Poland would it be considered rude or insulting if these two forms were used incorrectly when speaking of a person? Would it be at all similar to using "Pan" or "Pani" inappropriately?


It's complicated. Functionally there are three forms.

For males - masculine form dyrektor, following masculine declination (you add "pan" when talking directly, or when you want to be respectful). Using other forms would be like saying "Ms" to a man.

For females:

  • dyrektorka - standard feminine noun, following feminine declination. People may consider this form disrespectful.

  • dyrektor - usually preceded by "pani", or followed by a surname, related words take feminine forms (adjectives, pronouns, verbs), the noun doesn't decline.

If the person is "hipotetical", use masculine noun with masculine forms.

So possible scenarios:

Director is unknown person : Dla dyrektora.

Director is a man: Dla (pana) dyrektora

Director is a woman:
1. Dla (pani) dyrektorki
2. Dla pani dyrektor/ Dla (pani) dyrektor Kowalskiej


Great answer Maria. I'd just add that 'dyrektor' as a job description is usually used in a masculine form, regardless whether the job is done by a guy or a girl.


This is very helpful, thank you!


So why have I just had 'dla dyrektora' rejected and given the form 'dla dyrektorki'. I can't see that one is more correct than the other, given that we have no more information.


If you had some other error in your answer, then you will be randomly shown one of two answers, one with "-tora" and one with "-torki".

It doesn't mean that that part of your answer was the place with the error, though....


Why can't I use "pracowniki" instead of "pracownicy"?


Because it's not a word.


https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/pracownik The plural form for "pracownik" is "pracownicy", but in all other cases except for Vocative and Nominative it will be similar to "pracownik": mianownik pracownik pracownicy dopełniacz pracownika pracowników celownik pracownikowi pracownikom biernik pracownika pracowników narzędnik pracownikiem pracownikami miejscownik pracowniku pracownikach wołacz pracowniku pracownicy


Pracownicy wasn't accepted here, however it is accepted on the app...


Why "workers" can't be translated as "robotniki"?


https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/robotnik The plural form for "robotnik" is "robotnicy", but in all other cases except for Vocative and Nominative it will be similar to "robotnik"


I suppose "robotnice" should be acceptable, too? (I couldn't report it.)


It seems that it should, but it is not currently accepted....


dyrektorki is what case? i can only find the male declensions on wikitionary.


Polish Wiktionary offers this: https://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/dyrektorka

In any case, "dla" takes genitive/dopełniacz.


The -ka suffix always inflects in the same manner:



Most of the time appears a comment:i can not listen naw.why?


It is not so much a comment; it is a button which you can press to turn off the "type what you hear" exercises.


Why is it when the staf are working it is 3. person singularus, but when the workers are working it is 3. person plural? Personel pracuje Robotnicy pracują


Depending on your dialect or even on the interpretation, "staff" can be singular in English as well. In Polish "personel" is definitely singular and never plural, it's just a grammatical thing rather than looking at the meaning.

"robotnicy" are undoubtedly plural.


Why give 'prawocnicy' as a first hint??


That would be wrong. The first hint which I see is "pracownicy"


However, this shouldn't be the first hint, although it's accepted... I just changed that.

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