https://www.duolingo.com/aorejas

Who wants to learn Occitan?

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I would like to know how many people would like to learn Occitan language. In case a lot of people would like it, we could make an serios aplication.

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/WildSage
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Can you tell us a little bit about the language itself and also about why you are passionate about it?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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You may know it better as Provencal, though was spoken across much of the south of France from the Auvergne down, and it's very closely related to Catalan. It was the language of the troubadors.

In the south the word for Yes was Oc, hence Languedoc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitan_language

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andro0
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Wow, after looking up the language and it's history.... I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha

Very sad to see governments humiliate and suppress a language :(

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AxelPutra
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Isn't French government is famous for suppressing minority languages?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ElCoronelEsponja

Yes, they are / were. Occitan, Basque, Breton, Corsican, Flemish, and all the different langues d'oïl (northern French dialects) were suppressed in favour on universal monolingual French education right through thr 19th and 20th centuries. Even to this day, France doesn't recognise any other minority languages or give any support to them at a national level, though other organisations in local government (regions, departments etc) and the EU do.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/het_aapje
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Parlas occitan? :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aorejas
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no, però m'agradaria! :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmareloTiago
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Count me in! I would like to learn both Old and Modern Occitan.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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Why?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AmareloTiago
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There is a large corpus of medieval literature written in Old Occitan and the thought of reading these works in the original language appeals to me. Catalán is such a pleasant and melodic language that I think Modern Occitan would be interesting to learn too.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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Ah. Genuine reasons. And good ones. Yes, there's a lot of original material out there to read. Having studied Old English, Old Icelandic and Germanic philology at university, there was a time when I could also struggle my way through bits of Old High German, albeit with difficulty.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RoviThrees
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I definitely would, since I am Catalan and want to know more about this language. I feel it's like the ancestor language of my culture so I would love to learn it.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/BoVegan
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I would love to help build the Occitan course (from French or English) even though i have no idea how to do. My native language is the Occitan dialect 'lengadocian' from Pezenas town thanks to my granparents who kept speaking it between eachother but not to my mom nor her kids.

Ieu, seriái mai que mai interessat per ajudar a faire lo corse en Occitan (del frances mas tanben del ingles). Qu'es ma lenga mairala amb lo dialecte lengadocian de Pesenas mercés a mon papeta e ma mameta,

Maybe we can use the best dictionnary for Occitan : https://www.locongres.org/fr/applications/dicodoc-fr/dicodoc-recherche

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesTWils
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I'm sure we would all love it from either English or French. When Catalan and Guarani from Spanish were added, my Spanish was quite rusty. Since I wanted to try to the Catalan and Guarani programs, though, I did the Spanish first to get back up to speed. I'm sure lots of people would do the same with French and Occitan, if you wanted to put the program together that way.

9 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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Which dialect would you want to teach?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aorejas
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it should be "standard" occitan...

2 years ago

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Which dialect is "standard"? There is a predominant form of Catalan, but Occitan is split into half a dozen dialects, none of them predominant.

According to Wikipedia (I know ....) "Occitan is fundamentally defined by its dialects, rather than being a unitary language. " And "...specialists commonly divide Occitan into six main dialects". (Bold by me)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill
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That is all true but "lengadocian" is normally considered the standard version of the language, nevertheless. That is the dialect I'm currently studying :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AureliaUK
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If there really is a version which is widely regarded as "standard" or "main", then clearly that should be used. We must just be aware that DL only seems to want to create courses for one version of a language, so if one version of Occitan is chosen then by definition none of the rest will get a course so it's important to get this right.

Some people have talked in the past about creating a Kurdish course, but the problem there is that there are two main dialects of Kurdish, each of very similar strength to each other, so whichever of those is chosen would upset speakers of the other!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/crush
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Some courses have extra lessons for dialects or accept answers from other dialects as well, though. There is a standardized language (occitan larg/estandard), though, which is based off the lengadocian dialect. I don't think it ever caught on like Euskara Batua/other attempts at standardization, so the best bet is probably a lengadocian course (or whatever speakers are available to volunteer for the course), since that seems to be the most central of the dialects and also the dialect with the most speakers.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill
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crush's comment says it all ;) "lengadocian" is our best option, undoubtedly

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aorejas
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When I made an (short) occitan course they told to me that there is an standard variation, but I learn a dialect: Aranheu

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/arigatomen

Aranès

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ChukyBlairBass

I would love to!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SteveLando
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I would like to!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/geekest_cat

I was learning it since a few months ago but unfortunately had to skip it for work reasons, but the language is indeed fascinating.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/crush
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You should get in touch with PauBoFill, they've been pushing for an Occitan course for a while now.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill
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I feel proud ;)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/crush
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Hopefully we'll see an Occitan course here one day :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill
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Òc-ben!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ddestroyer
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I would like very much to learn Occitan! There's almost no resources on the web for learning it, so it would be really nice to have a course here.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MonsieurCal

je suis allé en Provence-Alpes-Côtes d'Azure deux fois. C'est une région magnifique et il faut qu'on combatte la perte de sa langue et des autres langues en France.

J'aimerais bien apprendre soit lou prouvencçau soit l'occitan, soit une autre langue d'oc!

Maybe it should be a course in French first though. It might be put to most use that way. I know that this is what people said about Corse.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CosmicCurvature

I'd really like to learn Occitan.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gxejko
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I would love to learn Occitan on Duolingo. I learned some a while ago, but stopped for lack of resources so I have forgotten most of it. Vòli aprene l'occitan - pensi qu'és une lenga plan polida!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PauBofill
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E òc! Es plan polida! ;) Cossí n'aprenguères (çò que sabes), s'o pòdi demandar?

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Gxejko
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Ai aprengut amb lo libre " l'occitan toute de suite" Per comprene paraulas que sabi pas e.g. que vesi en libres utilisi lo diccionari en panoccitan.org. Mai fa longtemps qu'apreni pas aquesta lenga vertament.

2 years ago

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I want to! Currently learning Catalan, I wanna continue on to Occitan, Galician and Basque.

2 years ago

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Basque would be high on my list as well. The bits of Galician I have read are actually rather difficult for me to distinguish from Portuguese.

2 years ago

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Galician is very similar to European Portuguese, the distinction is more political than linguistic I think, like Catalan and Valencian. Euskera is a whole different beast.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JMCowell

Has anything come of this? I followed the thread 10 months ago but went quiet and just came across it again. I would love to learn Occitan as I am a historian so the idea of being able to read original manuscripts is extremely exciting.

1 year ago

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I would love to Occitan!

2 years ago

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I would definitely be interested in learning Occitan!

2 years ago

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I'd like.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/_xSammyx_
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This actually sounds very interesting!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaumeabb
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I would love very much to learn Occitan!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Goldenlush

Yes would love it!

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JamesTWils
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I would certainly be interested.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LoesHendri

If this is still active, yes please!

1 year ago

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I am currently learning Spanish Catalan and French... Why not learn Occitan too!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/HilaryOlivier

I would love to learn Occitan please. It is a language that is quickly disappearing & I would enjoy capturing it & sharing it with family & friends that it would mean something to.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Posoera
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There's not such a thing like "standard Occitan" it has never existed, and the day it would that would mean that this language is really dead. I think people should always say what dialecte they are using, because there's uge differences, and actually the lengadocian is propably the dialect less spoken of all of them (I talk about "real" speakers, not students who pronounce like French). I know old people who really feel oppressed by this idea of standard and "central dialect", and because of this they are saying that Occitan is not their language, while you can hardly find anyone who speak it better than them. Not a long time ago I couldn't have a job for Occitan speakers because I tried to explain that although I used to teach this language, I can't write in lengadocian, because it's not my dialecte ... and if people are trying to make think that Occitan is Lengadocian, the other dialects will just disappear and people would speak a creepy language, like the one they speak at the universities, who sounds like French, but with ridiculous words the most far away to French, to pretend it's "pure". L'Occitan n'ei pas lo lengadocian ... los autes tanben volen existir, e fin finau n'i a pas nada diférencia entre lo centralisme franchimand e lo centralisme lengadocian !

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omar023
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I understand what you're saying, and technically you're right but all languages exist on a dialect continuum, and any the same thing is true for any language that has been "standardized." There is a standardized version of Catalan, but still various dialects exist. I would also say that the Occitan dialects are closer to Catalan than French, which I say because I speak Catalan and can understand a great deal of them better than I understand French even though I studied some French. Languages evolve and there is always a debate over what should be considered a language vs. a dialect, and this is subjective. There is no clear rule to determine this. So while standardizing may cause people to debate which elements of which dialects should be considered standard, it would also create a platform to promote the language. The alternative is that all of the dialects will die out over time.

6 months ago

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Well said and absolutely correct. Besides, standardization doesn't have to mean only one way is correct. You can have a flexible standard that most dialects can fit into.

6 months ago

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Thinking seriously of moving to Limousin, so definitely interested

1 year ago

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Sure, why not.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/tphelps45324

Count me in.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SunnivaKla

I would love to learn it!!! Please make a course. :D:D

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MarcelHierro
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I also want to learn occitan!!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/na.stamattina

PLEASE!

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KingLydus

I wanna learn it. But which dialect is more important? Provençal or Langue d'Oc? Gascon and Niçard are not that I think. Auvergnat, Lemosin? Language of Tolosa, Bordeu, Montpelhar (western) or Marselha, Cannes, Aix (eastern)?

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/StevenAronson
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Eu adoraria aprender! PRECISAMOS TER AGORINHA

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DominiqueT96956

Both Catalan and Occitan have my interest. Catalan is only available for Spanish, Occitan is not.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omar023
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I have thought about contributing to a Catalan for English speakers course, but I just don't have the time right now

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kylonidas
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I'm in

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Yokhentse
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I would love this! This would be a nice boost for a language (or set of languages, arguably) that has been treated so horrendously over the years! Additionally, I'm personally interested in historical Jewish languages, and I'd like to do some serious study in one called Chouadite, which is derived from the variety of Old Occitan formerly spoken in Provence. (Not to mention the troubadours!)

As is probably already obvious to most commenters here, the biggest problem is that Occitan is a continuum of fairly distinct dialects, such as Gascon, Limousin, and Provençal. I assume it'd end up being Provençal if it were to happen.

Even if this never comes to anything, the idea's got me so pumped I'm going to go right now and start the Catalan program.

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wrcstewart

would value that

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lionheartgirl

I want to learn it

1 year ago

https://www.duolingo.com/RainGoddess6

I would happily sign up to learn Occitan if it were offered. I already speak a bit of multiple romance languages including Spanish, and French. This site is awesome! I found this poll through a Google search of "where to learn Occitan" after I became interested in the language while reading a book that involves a lot of world history.

11 months ago

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Having spent much time in Toulouse where it is still very prominent, I would love to learn Occitan!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/melumebelle
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Here's to hoping this comes through!

10 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Omar023
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I would love to learn it as I speak Spanish and Catalan, and studied French in school.

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TobiasHansen2

I'd love to learn it!!

6 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Val1321
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Would love to! Either from French or from English. I learnt it in high school and would love to go back to it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Andy751754
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I just stumbled across this question and the answer is a resounding "Yes!"

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ioLbFQXR

count me in ! occitan/catalan can be a link between french and spanish.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MilenaMach4

I'd like to!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/phoenixwings42

If this is still a thing- count me in!! I've been trying to find a course in Occitan recently (along with Latin and Old French...) so this would be amazing!!!

2 weeks ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mel412202

Definitely interested

4 days ago
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