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TELEX vs Regular Vietnamese keyboard

LICA98
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the admins advise everyone to install the TELEX keyboard but I still don't get how is it better than the regular Vietnamese keyboard? here is what it looks like: image image image

on this one you have separate keys for the accents, and then if you need an additional accent you can add it afterwards, also this doesn't require installing or turning anything on/off when you need the keyboard, you just switch the layout and that's all image

2 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/v.ivanov
v.ivanov
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The most needed characters must be closer to the center, the often characters should never be in the numbers row — that's what wrong about this layout. It's just awful and not suitable for fast typing at all. No wonder the Vietnamese keep preferring Telex etc.

As for different input methods, I have found a Chrome extension AVIM - Vietnamese Input Method, it works fine and gives the choice among Telex and other input methods.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam
DiegoJaviUnlam
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I am trying this right now, but first I have used the regular MS OS Vietnamese keyboard.

So I am trying to find all the combinations, and I hope these vowels will be all that I need:

Firstly, I switch to the English keyboard, and using the TELEX input method, I have:

pressing the same key, the vowel: â,ê,ô, and the consonant: đ

pressing (w) after the vowel: ă,ơ,ư,

pressing (s) after the vowel: á,é,í,ó,ú,ý,

pressing (r) after the vowel: ả,ẻ,ỉ,ỏ,ủ,ỷ,

pressing (f) after the vowel: à,è,ì,ò,ù,ỳ,

pressing (j) after the vowel: ạ,ẹ,ị,ọ,ụ,ỵ,

pressing (x) after the vowel: ã,ẽ,ĩ,õ,ũ,ỹ,

And the four sequences of the rows are:

`1234567890-= ¬!"£$%^*()_+

qwerty ... [] QWERTY ... {}

a ... ;'# A ... :@~

\z ... ,./ |Z ... ?

pressing Alt Gr + first key, first row: ¦

pressing Alt Gr + 4: €

pressing Alt Gr + vowel: á,é,í,ó,ú

That's all that I have found. :)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JerryVu2005
JerryVu2005
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Oh, yes! That is TELEX input method! But still two regular input method. It is VNI and VIQR.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/v.ivanov
v.ivanov
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You list all you need to type the language, I believe :)

The comparison table of three popular input methods is here: http://vietpad.sourceforge.net/inputmethod.html

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/DiegoJaviUnlam
DiegoJaviUnlam
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Thanks! I think the Telex method helps to write faster, and also I can set both, the regular Vietnamese plus Telex, so I do not think to press two keys for ă,ơ,ư. But the repetition to get â, đ, etc., makes it easier to combine two diacritics, as ấ, ẫ, etc. Sometimes, in a few sentences I have experienced that my response was rejected before, by using the key 0 for đ, and some words with two diacritics in a vowel. But now this is not happening using Telex.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/JerryVu2005
JerryVu2005
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Tips to use Telex input method:

s = acute f = grave r = hook above x = tlide j = dot below z = Remove diacritics. Example: toansz = toan w = a breve, o horn, u horn. Example: aw = ă; ow = ơ; uw = ư (Acronym of uw is w, example: w = ư) aa = â - a circumflex dd = đ - d stroke ee = ê - e circumflex oo = ô - o circumflex

Example: tieengs Vieetj (or tieesng Vieejt) = tiếng Việt (Vietnamese) dduwowngf (or dduwowfng) = đường (sugar, road)

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/v.ivanov
v.ivanov
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I am already absolutely used to it after a couple of days. So good and natural.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/minhnhathuynh

it is VNI, not Telex. Telex use all letter, and VNI use number button

Sorry about my English

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/marakata
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Hi, minhnhathuynh, that picture is not VNI, too. It's Vietnamese keyboard of MS Operating System.

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/minhnhathuynh

yes, i say the button can make tone

2 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AnhAlexNguyen

MS OS Viet keyboard... so uselessĂ... see my exclamation mark? it looks like Ă telex is so much smarter than microsoft.

2 years ago

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    I am comfortable with keyboard pictured above, having used it with other software. My only concern is that correct diacritics are being flagged as "almost correct." Is that because of the input method? Or is something else causing that?

    1 year ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/kuah

    One disadvantage of that keyboard is that you have to use the right alt key (and so two buttons total at the same time) for these items: 1234567890=[].

    Even worse, for commonly used symbols you have to use the right alt key and the shift key (and so three buttons total at the same time) for these items: !@#$%^*(){}.

    Telex and VNI use sequences of characters, so there is no need to hold multiple keys at once. Telex requires you to push sequential combinations of letters, while VNI requires you to push a letter and then a number.

    Once you weigh those options you can decide what you prefer.

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
    LICA98
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    well I don't think I would ever need !@#$%^*(){} for duolingo lessons, btw what is this VNI keyboard??

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/ckhadung
    ckhadung
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    You're correct. And I just found out that one can activate this keyboard from Windows OS. Again, I stated in my instruction that input method is pretty much about personal preference. If you like this one, feel free to stick with it. My advice to use this is because of the close proximity of all the letter keys that involve. For instance, on your keyboard, you may just need two key to create "ằ": which is key "1" and "5". With TELEX, I need three keys: "a", "w", "f". I would argue, which you may disagree, that TELEX is mili-second faster.

    The next reason is being the universal application of TELEX. On mobile platform, it is possible that you can install other input methods but Telex is the most convenient because you do not have to switch to number keys to add tonal marks when typing. Also, Mac OS has Telex as default Vietnamese keyboard (not sure if you can install third party keyboard), Windows OS/Ubuntu can install Unikey easily.

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
    LICA98
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    on mobile (android) I think the best is selecting "Vietnamese" from the languages and it gives you a keyboard, there you hold a letter key and it gives you all the accents for that letter

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/JerryVu2005
    JerryVu2005
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    Or you can download Laban Key application. It's the best.

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
    LICA98
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    why is it better than the regular keyboard?

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/JerryVu2005
    JerryVu2005
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    Because it supports all Telex and VNI input method. And it supports English too.

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/kuah

    They aren't necessary for Duolingo lessons, though they are liable to pop up if you type anywhere else. Thus the choice might also depend on where and how you plan to use the keyboard.

    VNI is an input method; programs like Unikey often allow you to select VNI or Telex (there are other input methods, though I am unsure how often they are used).

    2 years ago

    https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98
    LICA98
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    on my current keyboard I already have to press Alt Gr or Shift to get most of the punctuation symbols, so it's probably not a big disadvantage

    2 years ago
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