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How far will Duolingo get you?

Reading: A1-C2? Writing: A1-C2? Listening: A1-C2? Speaking: A1-C2?

Overall fluency: 1-10?

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

4 years ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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You asked "How far will Duolingo get you?". A more important determining factor is "How much will you get out of Duolingo?" It sounds like the same question but it isn't. Do you want to finish your tree? Or, do you want to move everything the tree has to offer into long-term memory? Those are two very, very different situations.

Attached to that is the question "Do you plan to use everything Duolingo has to offer? Duolingo has Immersion. But going in and doing a word for word translation isn't adequate after a stage. Research is the next step. To utilize Immersion in a way that you get the most out of it includes research, into idioms, punctuation, common ways of saying things etc. Edit: because i didn't finish my thought before posting Duolingo has the Stream/Activity area. Are you going to use it to practice conversations in your target language? Duolingo has various language forums, will you use those? The community here offers lots of links to useful supplementary materials, will you put that network to good use?

The journey is yours. Duolingo isn't the vehicle, it's the road. You'll only get to where you want to if you get in the vehicle and go. You'll only get as far as you want if you continue until you get there.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LingPenguin
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I'd say a low B2 in Reading, B1 in Writing, a low A2 in Listening, and around the same A2 in Speaking. You cover enough grammar that you can understand the written language fairly well, but Duolingo is fairly weak on the spoken language and on coming up with what you want to say. Duolingo is translation based, so in order to use what you've learned as is you have to think of what you want to say and then translate it into the language (which you have no time to do in real life conversation). Because of this if you only use Duolingo and nothing else then you'll do rather horribly in terms of Speaking, possibly not even quite getting to A1, but if you do a bit of practice outside of Duolingo (even just conversations to yourself in your target language) then you'll be able to get your Speaking level up to that same B2 that your Reading comprehension has.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/saminman
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I used Duolingo to practice and learn Spanish and Portuguese and I have ILR scores of 2 listening/2 reading in both (2+ in reading Portuguese). Explanation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILR_scale Per your link, this corresponds to a B2 on the CEFR

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jheavner724
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I'd say, theoretically, if you were to retain everything and be exceptionally comfortable with it all, a solid mid-B1 all around or so (though, if you are doing a language, like French, with fairly odd phonetics, your speaking and listening will likely be an A2 even under such optimal conditions), perhaps even a near B2 or so in some respects (if you're good manipulating the language at will and recognize patterns). A2 is more realistic though.

Duo is best supplemented, especially if you want to reach the highly proficient B2-C2 area.

I guess overall fluency, on a numerical scale of [1,10], you'd reach around a 7. You can discuss a lot with just Duo, you just won't be able to discuss with a whole lot of depth or talk about more obscure topics, as these abilities come later (in the B2-C2 range if you're talking in terms of CEFR).

The whole rating system is pretty silly though. It's so difficult to group proficiency levels and they are only very general. Heck, if you're really dedicated and whatnot, maybe you'll reach C1 (I bet it's possible, especially if you use Immersion).

Therefore, though I'd love to accurately answer your question, the variance to be expected is too great and the nature of ranking language proficiency is too ambiguous to do so well.

Regardless, good luck!

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wildwm
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Reading an article, for example, is not hard to do as long as you are able to identify the specific words that you have not learned. Writing is almost the same as your reading skill though you have to pay more attention to grammar and word usage. You will most likely not listen well unless it is slowed down. And you will be able to talk about general topics but you will form sentences slowly at first as duolingo doesnt train this skill

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/kassandra8286
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If anyone is interested, here is a Spanish CEFR "practice test": http://www.spanish-test.net/framework.htm . A person who finished their Duolingo tree but had NO outside supplementation wouldn't be able to get further than A2 on this test, and probably not even pass that. The tests include a lot of conversational Spanish, which Duolingo doesn't really cover at all. Plus, Duolingo only teaches 1571 words in the Spanish course, so you will run into vocabulary on the CEFR test that you wouldn't know through Duolingo alone.

After finishing the course, of the four skills, your greatest one will be reading, especially if you do a lot of translating in Immersion. Listening and speaking skills aren't really developed at all using Duolingo. What I think Duolingo does best is get people motivated and excited about learning a language, and provide a basic jumping off point. There are tons of other resources out there to expand upon what you learn here.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jheavner724
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I disagree. Looking over the A2 test provided, I'd imagine someone who has finished the tree could pass it (not with a perfect score, or at least it's not likely, but still pass).

I think the B1 level, however, would require optimal conditions to pass (i.e. you noticing patterns while using Duo, using context well, etc.) and perhaps some Immersion.

I took a practice B1 exam a few years ago when I was learning Spanish and, with a knowledge comparable to the Duo tree, passed by a large margin, so I think it possible to do the same with Duo alone.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/LingPenguin
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I tried the test and I managed to pass the B1 test no problem. I didn't quite pass the B2, though perhaps with more optimal conditions (mainly nobody trying to talk to me in English as I take it) maybe I could scrape by. This was for Spanish, which I have completed my tree for, and while I have used other resources very little of my external resources was for information not covered by Duolingo, and what wasn't covered I saw a fair amount of in immersion. If you're expecting a situation where people are using purely Duolingo and not even any sort of a reference then you should at least expect that said person is dedicated to Duolingo and has managed to learn everything that is covered and at least passively recognize every word covered. It isn't a fair reflection of Duolingo to use as a quality measure a user who neither learns much of what's covered nor uses any external resources.

4 years ago

https://www.duolingo.com/sudipmidya

I can tell you just by Duolingo one will go nowhere in passing tests by Goethe like a1,a2 etc....I have passed a1, but I know if I went by Duolingo alone, I would have landed nowhere, a1 course is very vast in vocabs unlike in Duo, where its mainly for grammer and grammar is not needed for a1,a2..then you dont get to do speaking test and extremely limited in hearing test, thats a big blow.....My inference, in order really to learn and pass: join a class, else you are just wasting time, btw I have been doing 1.5 years in duo, I just wish I didnt waste this time.. tschüss, danke

3 years ago