A new language
Five islands in the Caribbean speak Papiamentu. Is anyone interested in studying this language?
I have applied to help out also. Native Papiamentu & English speaker from Curaçao here :)
Thank you! Let's hope they are sensibilized now. They don't know what they're missing, Duolingo can be very effective for Papiamentu.
Hey just curious as to why they don't actually make this, everyone I know who learned it, said they learned it in less than 3-5 months because it is so easy.. I bet if 3 contributors worked on it the course can be done in less than 9 months easy, me studying it for 3 days already know quite a bit more than other languages ive tried to study for a month+, its really simple especially grammar wise!
Indeed, papiamento is not complicated, especially the grammar. Wordswise it is somewhat linked to Dutch, English, (very much linked to)Spanish, Portuguese, and some French. This is also valid for certain expressions, e.g "Hola, con ta bai?" = Hello, how is it going? = How are you? Now, bai can also be used in: "Unda bo ta bai?" = Where are you going? And there are some indigenous words descended from the Arawaks. And if you cannot come up with a certain word, just borrow it from the language you are most familiar with. https://glosbe.com/pap/es/pichiri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiamento
Also pichiri is not a really nice word. It’s not a curse word, but people will get offended if you call them that.
Israelpolasak Bon bisa. E grammatica di Papiamento ta simpel, por ehemplo: Mi TA papia ( I speak or I am speaking [depending on the context]); Bo TA papia; E TA papia; Nos TA papia; Boso TA papia; Nan TA papia. That was the present tense. For the past tense, replace TA with A, e.g. Mi A papia un ora largo ( I spoke for one hour long). I constantly use both Papiamento and Dutch as stepping stones into other languages. Checko: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiamento
This is an interesting language composed of Dutch, Spanish, English, Portugese. A patois sort of language. The islands involved are Bonaire, Curacao, Aruba, Saba, & St. Eustacias.
Hi, from the island of Aruba here, I'd be happy to be contribute. Any fellow islanders on here speaking Papiamento / Papiamentu fluently?
I live on Bonaire. There was only one course offered and it was very poorly organized and taught. I have a Papiamentu dictionary and just try to do the best I can. Reading Extra (the newspaper) helps a lot.
I am a fluent speaker, Brazilian, speak English and Spanish, been to the islands in 2013. I have a dictionary and some textbooks and the experience of working on several other languages. All I need are natives to help write authentic dialogues.
This is two years ago and there is still nothing happening. I applied.
Maybe a more explicit title of your discussion (anything like "Request for Papiamentu language" could help having more answers and upvotes.
If it would say ''Papiamentu language'' or something like that, it wouldn't have received so many up votes.
"Request for Papiamentu language" or "A new language: Request for Papiamentu language" as title (and the rest equal) would probably have had more upvotes since all users downvoting automatically discussions with title as unprecise as "new language" (because they think it's a discussion about language asked for daily and thus don't open the discussion and just downvote) wouldn't have downvoted it. Thus the net total would be higher.
I teach English at a university in Holland, and I have a small group of Aruban students of mine teaching me Papiamento. Because it's a creole, the grammar is rather simple, and I think a course could be made here rather quickly. At present there really aren't a lot of resources for learning the language, and it would be an amazing addition to have a DuoLingo course!! =)
If you can put us in contact... All I need is native input/recording/feedback
Fabulous! I know three natives from Aruba who are all very interested! :
Dyantha: email@example.com Gonzalo: firstname.lastname@example.org Jeff: email@example.com
Hope you are able to all get in touch!! =)
Thus you can edit your original message and change the title.
Also, when you answer to a specific comment, it's better to use the "Reply" grey button just under the comment you want reply to.
This allows to keep the discussion organized and thus readable.
So how do we apply for starting the course? (I know your videos Ricky, great job!)
Duolingo never shared a precise set of rules nor their "importance" ordering, so we can't know.
It's in fact likely there isn't a written in stone order list of criteria.
But see the "How does Duolingo decide which courses to add next?" discussion created by staff.
Very interested! Mi mester usa Memrise awo, ma e website ei no ta hopi bon..
Por fin un hende a contesta na Papiamento. Ami no conose memrise, mi tei check e awor. But I am curious they wrote Papiamento/Papiamentu, now we can't deny there will be clashes haha
I support this! But like jrikhal said, you should edit the title of this post. Anyway, I'd be really interested in learning this language. Please make this possible!
My partner is Aruban and I've been slowly learning Papiamento on my own. I would also love it if Duolingo offered this.
I would love to see this Papiamento/Papiamentu course developed and would definitely take it on duolingo
Yes please! I want to work in the Dutch Caribbean and speaking Papiamento would definitely be a plus!
After knowing and using Duolingo for a while now, I've only just noticed that there was a thread for Papiamento(u).
Even though the conversation started like 3 years ago, I still applied and hope that this course will be made into a reality.
I think it'll not only be beneficial for those who want to learn and speak the language, but also for those who already do. I was raised in Aruba, I think that the elementary school level (and even sometimes secondary school) don't place enough time and attention on teaching the children the language.
In fact, they recently added Papiamento as one of the subject you can choose from in Highschool (MAVO / HAVO / VWO) and a lot of local students chose that subject. However, despite being a local, many still struggled with the exam and some even failed.
I believe it just goes to show how important it is to have have a good application (or website) that gives the locals of the island and non-locals the opportunity to to learn, love and speak the language that is called Papiamento(u).
Also another thing that wasn't brought up. While Papiamento and Papiamentu are really similar (basically the same language). There are still some spelling differences and rules between the two. If a course is (hopefully) made for this language, would we have to introduce both spelling rules? One for Papiamento and one for Papiamentu?
*(I'm not saying that there should be two difference courses. As I said, they are the same language. I'm just stating that if a course was to made, it should definitely still hold the spelling rules of both 'versions' of Papiamento(u).
Anyways, that was just my two cents. I really hope this language is added.
Pasa un bon dia.
By the way. Whilst I am already following this thread, if there are any updates or perhaps if there are any Papiamento(u) speakers that know of other applications or websites that want to include Papiamento(u) and need contributions or helpers, then feel to contact me at:
Thanks again for your time!
I am VERY interested in learning this language as my company works in the Caribbean. This would be incredibly useful when our team is down there.
I can help. Native speaker of Papiamentu, as well as trained anthropologist.
I am a fluent speaker of Papiamento and I would be glad to help create this course
ricky, I've just sent my application, and the more applications they get, the more likely they are to open the course on the Incubator. Just go here https://incubator.duolingo.com/apply
and write in English and in Papiamento why you want to work on the course. I've already marked that I'm willing to be a moderator, so it's up to you if you want to check that box as well. Mashá danki!
Hi, I would love to have the course availalbe and study Papiamento through Duolingo! Is there anything apart from donating lingots that I can do for you to get more support?
So far I have no idea, really. I think more people should apply as authors of the course. I've already sent my application to Duolingo, but no answer from them.
I do not speak Papiamento but i would like to learn it tho.. i cannot fill in het application because of a lack of Papiamento xD
Hi, have you gotten any more feedback or information on a possible English to Papiamento course? Thank you!
Haitian Creole is in hatching process. It would be amazing to have two creole languages in Duolingo
I would love to learn papiamentu! I will be spending over a month in Aruba and am interested in learning the native language.
My boyfriend is from Aruba. I'd love to be able to communicate more easily with his family.
I live on the island of Bonaire in the Dutch Caribbean. The languages here are Papiamentu, Dutch, and English. The locals are most appreciative when expats learn their language. That is why I want to do so.
I have been to Bonaire and Curacao several times and plan to return. Although I have gotten along fine speaking just english, I would like to be able to speak and understand the native language.
Ditto for me. When I was in Curacao last year I noticed how much Spanish was in Papiamentu (as well as how many Spanish speakers there were) and I regretted not having tuned up the duo espanol a bit before going. I am going to Bonaire this year and am back on duo working on Spanish in anticipation. If Papiamentu was offered, that's what I'd be working on. I think the two languages would complement and reinforce each other. I'm not sure how to otherwise add my voice/vote to the request, other than to give the initiator a lingot, which I plan to do.
My first ever trip out of the country was to Curaçao back in 1998. I wish DuoLingo Papiamentu had been available back then. It would have made the trip that much more fun.
I would Ike very much to take the course!! I know basic ‘polite’ Papiamento. The language/spelling differs between the islands though, so a ‘standard’ for the language might be difficult. ‘Aruban Papiamento’ may be a better term (or whichever island). Someone below posted ‘hola’ for a greeting. Unless they are speaking Spanish, which most do, I have never heard anyone say that in 30 years. The greetings are instead, Bon Dia, Bon Tardi, or Bon Nochi, depending on time of day.
Been visiting Aruba since I was a child, I would LOVE to be able to learn their language on duo lingo!
This was the first language i looked for when i got duolingo. I had to settle for Spanish, but so far I feel like I've learned more spanish than i did in two years of high school classes. The ABC islands are my favorite place I have traveled to and understanding the language would really help. I know the area is getting more popular with tourists and cruise lines are starting to go there, some for the first time. This language is going to have more and more demand, I'm sure.
I would like to learn Papiamentu as well! Does anyone know if it is coming any time soon?