Even in the south, i dont hear this pronunciation. normally 'r' is pronounced either [r] or [z] or [ʒ]. this sounds more like [g]
This pronunciation is not standard. It sounds regional. In the city of Rạch Giá, for example, the letter "r" is pronounced with a "g" sound. It is the accent of the Mekong Delta area.
Yeah, it sounds more like a Japanese or Arabic r now. When is it pronounced like an English z and when like a "ra"?
Yes, but I think ''dragon'' is more popular. And it's a word from Chinese, too. Words like this in Vietnam we call it ''Hán Việt''. Just let you know Hanoi used to be called as ''Thăng Long''(a dragon flying up)!
brilliant, thank you. The street I live in in Vung Tau is called Ha Long...which I think means "descending dragon"....there's these brilliant big dragon shaped hedges just by my house: https://captainofthebackseat.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/img_2081.jpeg
Then there's the island next to us Long Son...and the next peninsula, Long Hai...DRAGONS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
Do you know why we have dragons everywhere? We are the descendants of a sea dragon and a mountain fairy :-)
You probably know this already but Long Son = mountain dragon. Long Hai = sea dragon.
For those interested in learning Chinese, it’s 龍山 ̣(lóngshān, Cantonese lung4saan1) and 龍海 (lónghǎi, Cantonese lung4hoi2) respectively.
(classifier con) rồng
Non-Sino-Vietnamese reading of Chinese 龍 (“dragon”; SV: long), from Middle Vietnamese ròu᷄, from Proto-Vietic *roːŋʔ
đậu rồng (“winged bean”)
vòi rồng (“tornado”)
Is LONG sometimes used as DRAGON?
Is LONG a Chinese word...and is there a name for Chinese words that are used in Vietnamese?
Yes, long is a Chinese-Vietnamese word (từ Hán-Việt) while rồng is pure Vietnamese. 龙 (龍) lóng = rồng/long. Our capital city Hà Nội used to be called Thăng Long (Rising Dragon); and there comes Vịnh Hạ Long (Descending Dragon Bay).
Most Vietnamese think of Long as dragon 龙 (龍) or just a given name. Very few people know its homonym 隆 which means big/grand/prosperous/Long (surname). There are also some other homonyms of Long; however, they are rarely used in daily conversations.
Yes but some place names in Vietnamese with "Long" are actually 隆 like Vĩnh Long (永隆) which is "eternal prosperity" or "eternal grandeur".
It seems you could ask ten different Vietnamese people and get ten different answers. I'm going with this is a mistake and it should either be pronounced Zong in the Northern accent or Rong in the southern. Having said that I speak via skype to two different Vietnamese guys, both from the Hà Nội and one says Rong with a rolling R and the other says Zong. Time to move on to the next confusing word.
What mistake? I hear him pronounce it with a /z/ which is standard for the north. No mistake here.
Sounds like a hard G to me. I am not hearing a Z sound like you are. Seems the other posters also are hearing a hard G. Type Rồng into google translate and listen to what a Northern Vietnamese/Hà Nội accent sounds like when sounding out the word Rồng. Now that's a Z.
Oops, that's not a /z/ I'm afraid. I've just checked the audio and heard something between R in Mandarin Chinese (日 Rì, 热 Rè) and rolling R in Spanish [but not that strong] (Rojo, Rico). :)
There are many ways to pronounce RỒNG:
Rồng (as in Spanish rolling r: Rojo, Rico);
GIồng (as in English z: Zoo, haZard);
Rồng (I don't know the IPA symbol for it, but this R sounds like R in Mandarin Chinese: 日 rì, 热 rè);
Rồng (as in English ʒ: PleaSure, televiSion);
Gồng (as in English g: Game; Go);
Dồng (as in English j: You, Yes);
and some other varieties. :(
You just need to stick to the one you are most comfortable with.
Thanks for the answer but I still say it's a mistake, in the context of it's a mistake to use any other pronunciation other than the Northern/Hà Nội or Southern/HCMC accent. I mean if the whole Vietnamese course was to include more than the two main accents it would be just plain ridiculous. Learning Vietnamese is difficult enough no need to make it harder than it needs to be by adding in regional pronunciation variations.