Kazakh on Duolingo?
I'd like to suggest another course to be added to Duolingo's collection - Kazakh. Why? Well, my first reason is that I think it is a beautiful language that often goes unnoticed. Having searched the forums, I found quite a few people who seem to share a similar enthusiasm for it, but I couldn't find a thread that actually requested it, and it isn't on the list in the 'guide to adding a new course'. In Kazakhstan, Kazakh is once again becoming more and more dominant over the Russian that has been spoken there over the past century, and its number of speakers will only continue to grow. Secondly, as someone who wants to learn Kazakh, I have found that materials on learning it are very scarce. Duolingo would open the language up to many more people.
Unfortunately, I cannot contribute at all to the course, because I do not speak the language. It does feel a bit rude to post this here, without having anything to contribute myself, so I'm sorry about that. I just thought I'd start a discussion off, to see exactly how much interest there is.
No need for hiding in the corner! I would love to learn Kazakh! And I'm sure many other people would. The problem is that soooo many languages are on the waitlist for being added to Duolingo, that it is hard to get anything else on the waitlist. But the more languages, the better! I do hope that one day, Duolingo will have this language. But first it has to wait in line. :(
I would like to learn the basics of Kazakh ! Firstly because Kazakstan is one of my top 20 countries I want to visit and secondly because it is a Turkic language and they are always interesting ;)
I posted something about Kazakh a few months back and I'm happy to see others wanting to try a Kazakh course. (I don't speak Kazakh either)
I would LOVE to learn Kazakh! I have made up my mind that I would someday take the time to learn it fluently. I would be thrilled to see it on Duolingo, though I think by then I'd probably be studying it for a while. :)
I've just recently visited Kazakhstan and have access to some old Kazakh teaching books: but no audio materials: so it would be great to see a duolingo course created. I also met some folk over there who might be willing to help with this.
Hi I am a native Kazakh speaker please feel free to ask if you have any questions or suggestions. I'd be happy to help as much as I can. Best regards
Hi! It's great to see such a positive response to this! Of course, I understand that the waiting list is long, and that there are other languages that are of a higher priority. I just thought that I'd set the ball rolling, so to speak. Hopefully, this post will have introduced some more people to the language too.
Also, thanks for adding Kazakh to the list on the article, jrikhal. And I have to agree with DerGoldmann that the flag badge would be beautiful.
I'm studying Russian here so that I can read he Russian language textbooks about Kazakh.
If you want some other English resources, someone transcribed a grammar PDF here: (it's not great for learning, but it's an okay overview) http://highlandsun.com/hyc/Kazakh/34/
There are a set of lessons on the "Unilang" forums here: http://forum.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=13973
And I'm using the book "Colloquial Kazakh" by Zaure Batayeva. It's a good introduction for beginners IMO - even I can understand it, it seems quite thorough, and you can preview the audio for free here: http://www.routledgetextbooks.com/textbooks/colloquial/language/kazakh.php
Good luck learning Kazakh! It's such a fun language :)
One of the English-language books I have access to is "Manual of the Kazakh language" by A.Sh. Bekturova and Sh.K. Bekturov. It's copyrighted 1996 and I believe it's out of print: but it might be worth searching the second-hand market. However, it's not what I'd call an 'easy' introduction to the language!
I'd love to see a Kazakh course too! I'm still a complete beginner but it's such an interesting language to learn. It's nice to see there are other people who like the language!
Kazakh would be a good language for Duolingo, but the only problem I see is the Cyrillic Alphabet for Latin Alphabet users. Other than that, Kazakh for duolingo is a great idea _
Some vowels are the same and consonants of course look different but it's not that difficult to crack the alphabeth. Cyrillic derived from Greek, as you know. There are some similarities in the way the language sounds e.g. soft a, e and o sounds, I would say that speaking Kazakh helped me a lot with mastering my pronunciation in English. In addition, there are no genders in Kazakh and the grammatical structure a lot simpler than that of Russian. Kazakh language is rich with idioms and implied meaning - similar to English you have to feel the language - not everything is spelled out. And last but not least Kazakh humour is as sharp as a blade - just like in English.
In languages with a different script, would it be a skill on the tree to learn the alphabet?
It's a person who speaks a language that uses the same script as things like English, Turkish or European languages. :)
Maybe contacting the WikiBilim Foundation would make sense. They have experience with lobbing through and working with Google to get Google Translate support for Kazakh.
I have now found, there is already a Duolingo-like app for Kazakh: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kz.intellection.qazaqapp https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kazakhapp/id1180405380
As cool as it looked, it's currently broken. I have tried contacting support and they have not responded.
Edit: It works now. Yesss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes! Duolingo should definitely have Kazakh courses. As a Russian born and raised in Kazakhstan, who had studied Kazakh in school, I can only say that I would enjoy having the opportunity to re-fresh my Kazakh knowledge.
OMG who cares. no offense but like nobody cares who is from what country. lol lol
10000000% Support! I love Kazakh. The phonology is quite unique to Turkic languages and it is a unique challenge for a language learner.
I would dream to study Kazakh from either English or Russian base. As a child I spent several years in Kazakhstan and since then am in love with the people and the culture. I strongly support the request.
Hi again, and sorry for not responding sooner, especially to the [deactivated user] who posted the suggested English/Kazakh textbooks. They look very useful, and I'd happily send you a couple of lingots if you were still around! I especially like the look of "Colloquial Kazakh."
Unfortunately, I've just been very busy with other things for the last few weeks, and even my Russian practice has lapsed, I'm afraid; so making a serious effort to learn Kazakh seems a bit of a pipe dream at the moment. But, on the other hand, I don't want to give up on the idea, as I feel I barely saw the country on my first visit and would love to have the chance to roam farther afield.
Quite by accident, when looking for a film to see with my wife recently, I came across an advert for a little cinema that was showing a documentary about a young Mongolian Kazakh girl who wanted to become an eagle hunter. It's called 'The Eagle Huntress.' It's a good story with some beautiful scenery. Most of the dialog was in Kazakh with English subtitles; so it's good for getting used to the pronunciation of Kazakh words - that's assuming Mongolian Kazakh isn't too different. Well worth seeing.
Altynai891267 - good to hear from you. As of now, I'm incapable of communicating in Kazakh: but who knows? Whereabouts do you live?
Now ... I really must get back to brushing up on my Russian again ...
Nice to hear from you. I am in Canada on the East Coast - where are you based time wise? Please feel free to ask if you have any concrete questions and I will try to help if I can. I am a native speaker of Kazakh and my school education was in Kazakh as well. Best regards
I would like to contribute too. Also I can find a few friends to contribute as well.
Hello Guys. I am keen to be a contributor to the course. I will seek the help from schools and Ministry of Education to implement it as a compulsory component in schools. How can I make Kazakh up in the waiting list? I would like to do Kazakh for Russian and English for Kazakh. Unfortunately, for Ministry of Education there is no big need for Kazakh for English for this moment.
I'm not sure how useful English for Kazakh would be, given a large majority of Kazakhs speak Russian, and an English for Russian course already exists. Kazakh for Russian however would be extremely useful for Kazakhs to learn their native language (since I heard few can speak it)!
I think the main reason that English to Kazakh MAY work, is that people might think 'Kazakh? Oh, that's cool!'(or at least, that's what I would do) BTW, if you learnt Turkish on duolingo, how much would that help in learning the course? Thanks
Since Turkish and Kazakh are related, it makes it a lot easier to get into the nitty gritty part of Kazakh and all Turkic languages: grammar. I'm learning both, but I have an extensive knowledge of Turkish grammar thanks to a friend, and it's made learning Kazakh so much easier. A Kazakh course would be great for Turkish learners. (Maybe even a "Kazakh for Turkish" course???)
By the way, I think there was some confusion about the courses we were suggesting.
"English for Kazakh" means a course that teaches English through Kazakh. Such a course would not be necessary, since most Kazakhs speak Russian and can learn English through the "English for Russian" course.
"Kazakh for English" (or English to Kazakh) means a course that teaches Kazakh through English. This, along with "Kazakh for Russian" would be quite feasible courses for teaching Kazakh.
On another note, after thinking about it I'm not so sure if now is the right time for adding a Kazakh course. The Kazakh language is going through a Latin transformation that is highly disliked by many Kazakhs due to the obsurd amount of apostrophes. Therefore, I'm not sure if this new Latin script is going to make it to fully official status by 2025. It could have been possible to teach both Cyrillic and Latin scripts for Kazakh (by adding a Latin-Cyrillic changer), but Duolingo removed that. So perhaps we should wait and see what happens with the alphabet. (I hope that it won't take another 7 years to find out!)
Өте рахмет/O'te rahmet for volunteering to make this course! Turkic languages are one of my favorite language families. I cover a lot of them on TinyCards, including Kazakh, and I plan on covering even more (Karachay-Balkar, Kumyk(?), Sakha, and Tuvan).
Although I agree with what you said from linguistic standpoint, I still think it is a good time to have a Kazakh course ASAP just because there is a unique situation: right now a lot of people in Kazakhstan and abroad feel they need it so timing is perfect to give them (us) the opportunity. And since most of the people speak Russian as their mother tongue or as a second language the course should be Kazakh through Russian. Sorry, if Russian would not work for you...
I'd be perfectly okay with a Kazakh for Russian speakers course, since I'm learning Russian (and it's needed in Kazakhstan anyway). It's probably the better choice for now.
I’d love the option to learn Kazakh on Duolingo! I studied it at university but forgot almost everything :(
I am a native Kazakh speaker and ready to contribute to English for Kazakh speakers course. I already have few friends who are ready to help me.
p.s. Of course, I am ready to contribute to Kazakh for English speakers course too, but I'm afraid lack of Kazakh voice over program will make it less feasible
If you could do that, it would be amazing! Having an English to Kazakh course would raise awareness of Kazakh in the Duo community, which may mean that Duo does get a Kazakh voice program, so an English to Kazakh course could be made.
Again, it's absolutely amazing that people are doing this.
Рахмет, Darhan and asaken!
so I would easily know what Dimash Kudaibergen post with his language. <3
Hi Neron, I was wondering what you meant. Grateful if you could clarify. Best regards
I would love become a fluent Kazakh speaker! Hopefully, it will come out soon. When it does come out, I hope to get notified))) Thank you so much for posting this! Hope your voice gets heard. I currently know a tiny little bit of Kazakh; where can I contribute? (sorry, I'm new. I don't know my way around here...)
Now that Kazakh is to have a Latin alphabet, would that make it easier to put on Duolingo?
Yes, but special kazakh letters+sounds are still to be learned in the new alphabet.
Well, there could be an introduction to the Latin alphabet in the Grammar Notes. Most (if not all) Latin-script languages here do not have a Latin script introduction skill for the writing system.
Hello. I'm a native speaker and I can help you to contribute a course, but this is going to be very hard, and maybe it takes a couple of years. That is why I can't start a course, I need a help. Only cyrillic alphabet, not latin(i don't like it). I think it would be more useful to contribute "Kazakh for Russian speakers" course, because it would be more popular, I guess. Your enthusiasm fascinates me.
If you are fluent in Kazakh please apply here. Рахмет!
I agree that the new Latin alphabet is awful. However if Duolingo opened a Kazakh course and the contributors used Cyrillic, that could cause some turmoil between Duolingo and Kazakhstan gov't. However from what I've seen a lot of people hate the new alphabet (myself included) so maybe the new Latin alphabet will not make it to 2025, when it would be fully implemented and official in Kazakhstan. I think we should wait and see what happens with the alphabet situation. (I hope it doesn't take another 7 years to find out!) But whatever does happen, please still apply in the link I provided. (To be safe, write your Kazakh entry in both Cyrillic and Latin so Duolingo will know you know both.) Duolingo can take up to years to get back to contributor applicants, so hopefully by the time Duolingo gets back to you and the other applicants this whole alphabet situation will be solved. Іске сәт!
I wrote this because i'm looking for people who can help me. As you wrote it takes years. I'm learning another languages, so I'm not sure I can contribute the whole course by myself. But I can help you(whoever you're), just write me. And this situation with "latin alphabet"... I just don't get why they do this. If you remember the 1920s we've had the Arabic, the Latin and then the Cyrillic scripts. And now it's happening again, why. It's not useful at all. We have many other issues, except "hey, we should change our alphabet, it's gonna be fun, mates". But, of course, it's my opinion. Сау бол/ыңыздар!(it means "goodbye", but literal translation is "be healthy", and you can also say it when someone sneezes).
Truly, kazakh language is a language of a figurative sense. Жаңа алфавит басқа халықтардын адамдарына қазақ тілін жақсырақ түсінуге мүмкіндік береді. Lingot)
Егер сіз латын әліпбиі туралы жазған болсаңыз, олардың істегені тек бірнеше түсініксіз әліпбилер. Менің ойымша, олар тек бізге(қазақ тілінің сөйлеушілері) ғана емес, қазақ тілі оқушыларына да түсініксіз болады. I thought, if you wrote in kazakh, you can understand my point below.
how can i connect with you? Duolingo- ға қазақ тілін қосуды ойлап жүрмін:)
I'd definitely love to see such course occur on Duolingo! Since I'm pretty much familiar with Kazakh and I have no problem with reading it, but I experience some problems when it comes to composing own sentences.
I also can contribute to this course to some extent.
It would be great if Duo develops this language, I find it so beautiful and interesting. I'd love to learn it with Duolingo.
I would love to see a Kazakh course on DuoLingo. Kazakhstan is the world's 9th largest nation and becoming more popular as a tourist destination. I've wanted to go there since seeing photos and documentaries of the beautiful cities and countryside and learning a little bit about the culture. A Kazakh for Russian course could be useful, as there are slightly more people in the country that can speak Russian than can speak Kazakh. However, a Kazakh for English course would be accessible to more people worldwide and get a lot more participation. Рақмет сізге! :-)
So, so tempted to make Borat jokes...
Anyway, you got an upvote from me. It could be nice to give the Turkic languages a bit more representation here.
I hope one of these days we're gonna get some great news about a new Kazakh course!! I'd love to learn this amazing language and I think Duolingo will help us a lot to achieve that goal!
Kazakh is such a mesmerizing language, kazakhstan is starting to integrate with the wedtern world more frequently so this would be useful, kazakh is really beautiful it would be great to learn it: сәлем, ассалаумағалейкум